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**Dave Eddy:** Oh, man. Yeah, Wasm is so interesting. I think about that so much. It's one of those things that's so poorly named, in my opinion... But like so many things are. If you want to make a web request on JavaScript, before you had fetch, you had - what, a new XML HTTP request, or whatever it was? Like, Ajax, ... |
\[33:56\] You can do so much, because you can compile directly to it. It's a limited set, but it's very well defined. Put an asterisk next to that, but... Like, it's defined, and that's awesome. So the idea of just having this Wasm blob that I could put on any different operating system, as long as we can translate it ... |
**Justin Garrison:** Now, explain to me... First of all, if you already have Illumos at home, you're writing some Rust... I thought everyone that runs those two things works at Oxide. Is that not the case? I thought that -- I was like "Everyone that I know that's like "Oh, we use Illumos and we write Rust" is like "Oh,... |
**Autumn Nash:** Can I rewrite your talk bios to say "Also throw shade constantly"? |
**Justin Garrison:** That's not shade. Oxide's great. |
**Autumn Nash:** You have like the pettiest, shadiest tech takes. I think your TikTok channel needs to have a Justin shade of the week, because I will actually start showing up to your videos and like -- |
**Justin Garrison:** Now that I don't work for enterprises, I can just be a little more honest about some things. It's fine. |
**Dave Eddy:** I love the shade. I think it's great. |
**Autumn Nash:** But do you see how he keeps rubbing it in? |
**Justin Garrison:** I didn't throw shade there. That wasn't shade. |
**Autumn Nash:** See? The shade just comes out of him at this point. Do you see this? This is what I deal with. |
**Dave Eddy:** I 100% see it. Oh yeah, now that I don't work at enterprise companies... Oh, sorry. That's my print being done over there... |
**Autumn Nash:** I know...! Worst friend ever. Like, let me just rub in... He's always like "I don't have a million meetings today", and I'm like... |
**Justin Garrison:** So, Dave... |
**Dave Eddy:** So yes, yes. Back on track. |
**Justin Garrison:** Why don't you work on Oxide yet? |
**Dave Eddy:** Oxide is awesome. I think they're doing really cool stuff. I have a lot of friends that I know that work there. I talk to people that work at Oxide. Really cool stuff. Really awesome. A lot of the people that are at Oxide came from Joyent before that, so a lot of Illumos stuff, a lot of stuff like that g... |
I don't know if that'd be a place that I end up in the future. I think it'd be a great company to work for. Maybe I'll apply if they have any sort of job openings... But right now, I'm happy with my current situation. I have no real reason to move. But I will say this... If I were to quit my job anytime soon, Oxide wou... |
**Autumn Nash:** Do you hear that, Oxide? Offer Dave a bunch of money. |
**Justin Garrison:** Did you listen to the On The Metal podcast they had? |
**Dave Eddy:** Oh, absolutely. |
**Justin Garrison:** That was such a great history lesson of what the world of tech was like... And I love the interviews they had. Even the current one they have, Oxide and Friends, is really good. |
**Dave Eddy:** Oh, yeah. |
**Justin Garrison:** But I love the history side of technology, and On The Metal was just so great. |
**Autumn Nash:** I love that, too. Okay, you drink Dr. Pepper, but if you ever want a good book, like tech history, or like to go down a rabbit hole, he's the best friend ever. Like, all of a sudden he'll be like "And then I read this one book about this, this and that", and you're just like \[unintelligible 00:37:03.0... |
**Justin Garrison:** I try to summarize it so you don't have to. Same with white papers. That's one of the reasons I read white papers. |
**Autumn Nash:** Being friends with him is like getting homework a lot though... Because all of a sudden I have like six books -- |
**Justin Garrison:** I know, I don't want to do that. |
**Autumn Nash:** No, but he's also like downloading information, because all of a sudden he's like "And then this one dude created --" What's that? The -- I think he did the SHAs. But also, his hobby was unicycles. And I was like "I don't know what to do with this information, but I love it." |
**Dave Eddy:** That's cool. |
**Justin Garrison:** I don't remember what the book was called, but yes, no, that was a fantastic one. |
**Autumn Nash:** Also, he picks out your fun lunch places to go when you go to conferences... |
**Justin Garrison:** As long as you have Dr. Pepper, it's fine. |
**Autumn Nash:** I just throw Dr. Pepper at him, and then he picks us a place to go to lunch. Hanging out with him is fun. |
**Dave Eddy:** That's great. |
**Justin Garrison:** Dave, can you explain Void Linux to me? |
**Dave Eddy:** Sure. |
**Autumn Nash:** Void Linux? What is Void Linux? |
**Justin Garrison:** I've never used it, but I just know it's where a lot of the systemd haters -- not haters necessarily; people that just wanted to avoid over-complex things. |
**Dave Eddy:** \[38:01\] Yeah, pretty much. I mean, that's a good way of saying it. It's more than just a systemd-less operating system. There's a lot of reasons to do it. There's the -- I think you can get the GNU variant, or like the muscle version of like the libc, so you can have whatever floats your boat, basicall... |
**Justin Garrison:** Upstart was terrible, too. |
**Dave Eddy:** Oh, a hundred percent. |
**Justin Garrison:** Upstart was worse than systemd, in my opinion. |
**Dave Eddy:** Absolutely. There's a lot of things I don't love about systemd, but I think it actually -- it is what it's trying to be. It is a like service manager... It starts up your services in order, it has a lot of good dependencies... It does some of the stuff that it does really well. I'm not a systemd hater, i... |
**Justin Garrison:** I don't know Daemon tools. |
**Dave Eddy:** Oh yeah, Daemon tools is really cool. It's just a super-simple thing. If you use Daemon tools, then you go over to run it, you'll see "Oh, these were absolutely -- one was inspired by the other." You can see it. |
**Justin Garrison:** How close is that to like SysVinit? |
**Dave Eddy:** Not really... Close in the sense that it's very simple, but it's not like -- you don't have the etsyinit.d scripts, you don't have any of that stuff. You still have like etsyrclocal, things like that, but... When you want to make a Daemon on the system, you make a directory with the name of the Daemon, a... |
It logs to like STDOUT of the process that it's going to, or STDERR. I'd have to double check, but you can also make a logging process, so each thing can log to its own process. You could send it to syslog, you could send it to a file, log it to like a temp directory... So it's one of those things where if you hear "Oh... |
**Justin Garrison:** I like systemd. I actually think that running it, in certain cases -- the way you can like add to things, and add overlays for services... I really like how they manage some of that. I do think it does a lot. But I actually hated SysVinit. Like, I did not like all of the Bash scripts. I didn't like... |
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