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**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So it's not as if you're not within the threat zone, so to speak. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** You're not coming from a position of comfort, you're coming from a position of potential anxiety - I don't even know - because it's so close. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yes. And very much so travel plans, with things we had planned to do with friends or family, and re-examining those and going "Are those worthwhile? Do we change them? If so, what would that look like, and what are the potential hazards?" |
Like you started in talking about -- it's hard to think about anything else, but what if we begin to look at it as just a point of data that we incorporate to our decision-making? Remember, when things are new, they're not well-practiced. They take more energy. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** So to allocate and allow for like "Hey, what other options are available to me if this is now a factor in the choices?" I think that's gonna look different for all of us. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. The one thing that keeps coming back to me is this "brace for turbulence." This idea of not panicking, this idea of being adaptable, this idea of being flexible, and that change is going to happen. Sometimes it might not be comfortable change, but it's gonna happen, and sort of just mentally p... |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** That's interesting, and I'm glad you revisited that... Because my question to you would then be "What is your perspective on turbulence?" Do you have any feelings on turbulence? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Like, literal turbulence? |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yeah, yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** To use the analogy in little senses? |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yes. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So I've been on a plane before... |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yeah, but have you been through turbulence... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So I'm trying to think how dramatic... I wouldn't say overly-dramatic turbulence, to the point where I'm like "This plane is gonna crash!", but definitely some bumpy flights, where I'm like "Well, I'm gonna throw up. I'm gonna lose it." Actually, I was on my way to Denver once... We were about to la... |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Right. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** ...and we were blindsided by it, because we didn't expect it. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** But so, if I'm going back to your experience of that contributes to your feeling around it, and then your response to it. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Mm-hm. Because I can only react for my own file. The file I have for it is my data source for reaction. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Exactly. So I could say my data source when I've been in turbulence - it's super-fun to me. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[laughs\] |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Right? You can be like "And, Mireille, that's why you're a psychologist." There's a little sickness. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** \[36:00\] \[laughs\] But it's in part because I did gymnastics for so much of my life, and doing things from different levels of height, that feeling my stomach drop, or going on rollercoasters and this uncertainty is, to some degree, fun... Like "Oh, what's next?" and riding it out... So ... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, I'll tell you, I didn't panic. I wasn't like "Oh, we're gonna crash." I braced for change. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Right, but it was uncomfortable, and it didn't mean that it didn't nearly make you sick. So with this, if we're going around this analogy and trying to help our listeners be considerate - if they're reacting what they perceive to be disproportionately, like huh, maybe you go investigate ho... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** ...which is prompting more of the panic. Because this is just it - I want people to bring online more of a broader thought process to be able to reflect. And if we're gonna reflect, we have to use more of our neocortex, right? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Because cats and dogs don't usually think about their thoughts, nor do reptiles... Right? So when we reflect, we can be more considerate of like "I have a template, or I don't", or I have feelings about perceived unknowns... Think about people who like surprises. Do you like surprises? Do ... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, my birthday is coming up, and my wife has something planned... And part of me wants to know what it is today, so the answer is kind of like no, but kind of like yeah, too. So it's kind of like no and yeah. No, I don't really like surprises, but I enjoy them when I get them. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yeah. Well, so everybody has a different take on... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Surprises. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yeah, how they respond to surprises. You could say -- some people are like "Yeah, it's an adventure and I love it, while other people might be like "No, no...! I need to know what's coming", so they're probably going to respond in a more activated or elevated way. That's okay. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. It's also different too, when people feel or don't feel supported by others. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** And "others" is such a wide spectrum. I live in rural Houston, in Texas, and I couldn't imagine if I was in New York City. I would probably panic if I was in New York City. So if I had those big buildings around me and all those people around me, in that place, I can recognize and empathize and be c... |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Okay, so taking this another step further... If we're wanting to get practical, if you're aware that you would panic in a setting such as New York, how would you respond to that internal experience or emotional experience? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** The panic, you mean? |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** \[39:39\] Yeah. Would you just hunker down, would you isolate? Would you try to get away? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** No, I don't think I would try to get away. Or maybe potentially... I might be like "I've gotta get out of the city." I've been in hurricane scenarios here in Houston - back to Houston again; we've had hurricanes, and I've fled to Austin or San Antonio in a couple different hurricane scenarios, becau... |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So if fleeing was an option, I would consider it... |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Right. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Although if I had my family in the same scenario here now in New York City, it would be -- I don't know. I just don't know what I would do. That's the point... How can you manage and how can you navigate the unseeable unknown. That's hard. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** So then I would say "Who or what would you utilize or look to to help you make more decisions?" I'm totally putting you on the spot. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** No, that's fine. I like this. I would probably say people I know and trust. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yeah. |
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