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[S1] Probably. [S2] Yeah, well, we're giving, I mean, I do it all the time. I just feel like it's, it's, and then recording. I mean, obviously the skills in terms of being able to just turn on a camera and go and coaching. [S1] Yes. [S2] On the fly. [S1] Yes. [S2] Would be another thing in the A. And then in terms of s...
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[S1] I can't. I, I destroy structure. [S2] Love it. Love it. Okay. So the recipe for anti-burnout for Mel- [S1] Yes. [S2] ... is looking at your task list for your week, for your day, for your month. Everything that is not in that A column should not be on your list. [S1] Christine, um, I hear that you need-
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[S1] me to, uh, create an Excel spreadsheet for you. [S2] Yeah. I am a spreadsheet disaster. [S1] Yes, disa- I'm a spreadsheet disaster. You wanna see roadkill on a page. [S2] Mm-hmm. Yes. [S1] Ask me to put something in Excel. [S2] Yes. [S1] You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna, uh, hand it over to Sawyer on our team...
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[S1] ... presentation. [S2] And in the meanwhile, I'm going to make us a lot of likes and views in my interview later today. [S1] Correct. I love that. I love that. [S2] Exactly. [S1] That is masterful. [S2] And here's the thing. So if your entire focus is more A work, less B, C, and D work, every day, every month, in ...
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[S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] How would you recommend if you want to be really effective- [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] ... and level up your success, that you go about even thinking about your goals for the day or the week or the year or the decade? [S1] Mm-hmm. ABCD work, to break a goal into tasks and timeline is very important. I also thi...
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[S1] So what is your final word to the person that has been listening and hanging on to your every word? [S2] Mm. [S1] [CLEARS THROAT] [S2] What I haven't said is,
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[S1] Yeah, that would be really fun, actually. That's a great idea. See? Look at you. [S2] Um- [S1] Go ahead. [S2] Yeah. I don't know. I think, well, Capture the Flag is a great idea. Like games, et cetera. I think that always brings people together. Um, and I think that where
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[S1] What about a karaoke machine? We could rent one. [S2] Yeah. [S1] That's a no. Okay. I feel like no enthusiasm there. [S2] That, that's what, I mean, I think karaoke's fun when everyone's a bad singer, but I can see that turning into Kendall just taking over. [S1] Oh, yeah.
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[S1] I don't, I don't know. Like, I feel like having little presents or little, oh, another thing that we used to do is we would have the poppers. [S2] Oh, yeah, I love poppers. [S1] Uh, that you pull, like, everyone holds them crisscross, and you pull those. Those are always fun. Having, like, crowns or... [S2] Ooh, I...
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[S1] ... to wear. [S2] That would be fun. [S1] Or you're gonna sign the crown to make for somebody else to wear at the table. I like that. [S2] Oh, I like that too. [S1] Let's do that. [S2] Yeah, that's a great idea. [S1] You pull out
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[S1] ... idea. [S2] You pull a name out of the hat and you got to make somebody a crown to wear at Thanksgiving dinner. [S1] Yeah. [S2] I love that. Okay, that's done. Um, I, what about a question? I was recently at a dinner party and Maxine, who was hosting the party with her husband Andrew, asked a table of 10 people...
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[S1] Got it. Okay. So can I ask you to take on the crown project? [S2] Yes. [S1] Thank you. Um, the final thing we didn't talk about is music. I think having playlists ready is critical. [S2] Yes, absolutely.
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[S1] ... a, or even like, I think just having people talk to different people and whether that means every 15 minutes you get up and you move seats at the Thanksgiving dinner, so you're sitting next to someone else and you're not talking about someone's college experience for two hours straight. And instead you get to ...
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[S1] Maybe just not forcing, but sort of forcing people to sit next to different people so they can have different conversations, feel more comfortable with different people, something along the lines of that. [S2] I love that. Great suggestion. [S1] Awesome. That's the first. [S2] Yeah, no. Are you kidding? [S1] [LAUG...
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[S1] Yeah. One more question. [S2] People being on their phone. [S1] Yeah. Uh, what do we do about the phone situation?
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[S1] Awesome. It's like the sign we used to have in our old Vermont house, "The kitchen is closed." [S2] That's right. [S1] And we would all creep into the pantry when you guys weren't looking. [S2] Okay. Sawyer?
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[S1] Okay. [S2] So- [S1] Maybe you should give everybody a little background of Oakley before he loved himself. [S2] I will. [S1] Okay. [S2] So, to give context, uh, 13, I feel like you start to become very self-conscious, like 11, and so on. Like 11, like 13 is when it really, like 11 to 13 is when it starts. [S1] Yep...
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[S1] What was it like that day at school with shorts on, having had somebody- [S2] It was, it was like- [S1] ... say publicly. [S2] No, it was, it was-
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[S1] Because I think we can all relate to this, where you look in the mirror and you focus on what you don't like. [S2] Yeah. [S1] You have an experience of just wanting the attention to be off you or wanting people to accept you or wanting to fit in. Every single one of us can relate to that gene story, Oakley.
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[S1] ... your relationship with him. [S2] It was very, like, I'd say it was, like, 70/30. Like myself, 30%, didn't like myself 70%. [S1] Okay. [S2] Uh, but eighth grade, you know, I'm older, I look a little bit older. It was a good year. I, I'd say it was a good year. Like, I kinda, like, wore shorts, thankfully. Um, I...
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[S1] Yeah. And so what happened is 2020, COVID-19, big, like, lockdown, everybody's screaming and scared and- [S2] Shut up. They weren't- How are you stopped? [S1] We are-
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[S1] You only go through life with yourself. You are the only person that you wake up with and you go to sleep with every single night and every single day, and you are the only person that you need to please. You are not going to live your whole life with the ability to please everyone else because that's not going to...
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[S1] pointed at managing this, and it's all energy that is based on the belief that there's something wrong with you. [S2] Yeah. [S1] That when that got removed and you were just quarantining with me and Dad and your two older sisters, you had this epiphany where you're like, "Well- [S2] There's nothing wrong with me."
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[S1] are frustrated and find themselves confused by the advice, love yourself. So what, what does that mean? And give specific examples of what you do. [S2] It is an incredibly broad term. [S1] Yes. [S2] Just love yourself. So easy to say. But I personally think that loving yourself is different for everybody. Everybod...
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[S1] I feel like there's always little things. There's always little things about yourself that you can find that you like. [S2] Okay. So number one, find something little. [S1] You know, it doesn't have to be big. It doesn't have to be big. It could be less. [S2] Okay, so give us, give us three examples of little thin...
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[S1] Right now. [S2] Yes. [S1] I'm not, I haven't looked at a mirror recently, but I think I like my hair right now. [S2] Okay. [S1] Pretty sure I like my hair right now. [S2] Okay. [S1] I'll check the footer later. Um, let's see here. I'm liking my smile right now. I really like my smile. Um, and I'm also liking, I'm ...
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[S1] It's kind of like how I'm acting with my friends and how I'm treating them and how I'm like respecting them and being there for them. I, I'm, I'm enjoying that. I'm liking that about myself. [S2] You're proud of yourself. [S1] I am proud of myself. [S2] Can you give another example that is not about something phys...
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[S1] See, it's like those little things. Like, when people are, like, negative, they th- it's also so, so more broad when they, when they're negative about themself. And it's like a bigger thing, like, "Oh, I don't like the way my stomach looks," or, "I don't like the way I look." [S2] Or, "I don't like my grades," or,...
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[S1] God. No, it just has to be like very little. [S2] Yeah, start with, I love my, the, the shape or the color of my eyes. [S1] Yeah. [S2] I love the sound of my laugh. Find something small. And I'm focusing on simple and small habits because this is not something that happens overnight.
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[S1] Actually, I have another thing I want to say. [S2] Tell me. [S1] Guys, compliment each other. [S2] Oh, great idea. [S1] Like, bring up positive things about your friends. Like, if you don't want to draw attention to yourself and you want to draw attention to each other, instead of being like, "Your hair looks weir...
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[S1] Yes, you can. And it makes you feel good. And one of the things that I learned later as a parent, that I now do a great job at, is I don't just compliment how you look. I compliment- [S2] A specific part of how I look. [S1] That's not what I was gonna say. [S2] Oh, what the fuck were you gonna say? [S1] I was gonn...
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[S1] and how you live by them. [S2] Mm. [S1] I admire that in you. [S2] Thank you, Mom. Thank you. [S1] You're welcome. [S2] It is important to compliment person- I think personality is like even bigger than looks. I feel like when I get compliments on like how I act, I feel like so much better when I get like a compli...
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[S1] And I believe in your ability to learn how to love yourself, to be kinder to yourself, to cheer yourself forward. [S2] And we're rooting for you all the way. [S1] That's why we're here. And we'll see you in a few days. [S2] Yes, we will. [S1] Dude, I love you.
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[S1] Well, welcome. I'm so psyched you're here. [S2] I'm so happy to be here, I can't even tell you. [S1] Well, let's just jump right into it because you have written the book on both charisma and body language. And so I want to start with what is charisma and why does it matter?
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[S1] That's crazy. And you, you say that you were very awkward before you leveraged all the cues you're about to teach us. Will you tell us a little bit about what you struggled with? [S2] So what's funny about charisma, I've always been fascinated by this trait. I'm a recovering, awkward person. [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] So ...
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[S1] Wow. Okay. So let me see if I just can bottom line this. [S2] Yes. [S1] So charisma, if you have charisma or you display charisma, I guess is what I should say. [S2] Yes. [S1] If you display charisma, other people are left with the impression that they can trust you and that they can count on you.
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[S1] Wow. That's so, so is this why charisma matters? [S2] So I think of charisma like a lubricant, right? So when we're in social- [S1] That's sexy. [S2] [LAUGHS] A social lubricant. [S1] That is not exactly the word I was, that I thought, or the metaphor I thought you were gonna use. Okay, so charisma- [S2] Good. It ...
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[S1] Yeah. [S2] Okay. [S1] It's smooth. You know, it makes it smooth. Because, listen, my interactions, my social interactions before I learned this science were like the opposite of smooth. They were crunchy. Like, not in a good way. Right? Like- [S2] Okay, so you said you were awkward. Give us an example. Come on, Va...
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[S1] It's just like a thermostat. So in some situations, when you want to dial up a little bit extra warmth, you can use more warmth cues. And Oprah does this exceptionally well. In her hard-hitting interviews, she'll dial up competence. She'll hit them with the hard questions. [S2] Right. [S1] Go watch her interview w...
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[S1] So that's- [S2] Wow. Okay. [S1] ... competence. That's one bucket. And by the way, so if you're, as you're listening, I want you to think about what sounds like you, what feels like you. So do you feel like you have the balance? Do you feel like, no, you're off the charts in competence. You know you're high in com...
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[S1] [laughs] Or, no, I don't know how to do that, 'cause they're fixers. [S2] Got it. [S1] So, highly competent people, you have that super strength of, of getting it right, being fixers. Warm folks, my warm folks. So my highly warm folks, you are filled with empathy, your cheerleaders, your supporters, your mission. ...
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[S1] ... these strategies are going to work for all of us. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] One thing I would love for you to talk about before we talk about the cues is this. So in that study that you cited from Princeton- [S2] Yes. [S1] ... they also found that
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[S1] Wow. And it mirrors what I believe, Vanessa. You want to hear what I believe, Vanessa? [S2] Yes. [S1] I believe we all have a huge blind spot when it comes to what we're signaling other people. That you may think you know how you come across and what you're displaying, but I have a feeling that we are about to lea...
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[S1] Vanessa. [S2] Okay. All right. So first, we're gonna, the first kind of diagnostic that I talked about was just which one sounds more like you. That's where we start, right? So where do you think you fall? Are you higher in warmth, higher in competence, do you have a balance, or are you under-signaling, right? Do ...
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[S1] ... to be very simple questions- [S2] Does that mean a test? [S1] Yes, it's a test. [S2] Okay. [S1] Really simple test, sciencepeople.com/charisma. [S2] Wait, hold on. What's a co- what, what is, what is the URL? [S1] Science of people.com/charisma. [S2] Science of people.com/charisma. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Wait, is tha...
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[S1] As many times as you want. And so first, I want you to take it as you. I want you to take it as you, and I want you to take it not on your ideal self, your real self. [S2] Okay. [S1] Okay? So on a, on a normal day, I want you to screenshot your results. Then what I want you to do is I want you to do a 360 review. ...
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[S1] I, I feel like everybody needs to grab a pen and a piece of paper. And this is definitely one of those podcast episodes that I know every single parent is going to be forwarding to their kids who have interviews. [S2] Yes. [S1] Because we are about to get the cheat sheet, everybody, for how to nail charisma
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[S1] Yeah, so let's do it by time. So what I want to do is actually want to do the first 10 seconds of your, your video, the first minute of your video, that actually helps us break it down. 'Cause actually the first 10 seconds are really important, the first 10 seconds of you being on camera. [S2] Really? [S1] So, yea...
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[S1] Wow. [S2] That's a relief. [S1] So what do we have to do? What are we doing? So, so, so you're about to tell us in the first ten seconds of a Zoom meeting, you must do this in order to be influential. What do you do?
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[S1] Right. So this still remains. Something interesting happens. I'll do a little experiment for you. So if you're watching the video, um, I'm gonna hide my hands. If you're listening, I'm hiding my hands right now. [S2] Yeah. [S1] The moment you can't see someone's hands. So if I were to give this entire interview wi...
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[S1] Okay. [S2] So, there are no bad cues in the sense of they're all purposeful. When you are really clo- and I, I love your videos. I've seen your close-up videos. You should know, on purpose, if you are very close to the camera, right up in your face, you are signaling intimacy. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] You are signaling, ...
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