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[S1] Yeah. No. [S2] Okay. [S1] And the other thing that's really amazing is that we learned that they like polyphenols, which are- [S2] What is that? [S1] I know, right? Big word. There's like a million molecules in colorful fruits and vegetables- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... that are the medicine in food. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] A...
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[S1] But the one that produces this like natural volume in your gut. [S2] Uh-huh, yeah. [S1] That bug really likes green tea.
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[S1] It likes pomegranate and it likes cranberry. [S2] Oh. [S1] It likes all the molecules, so you have to feed them. And like you, you know, you have little critters in there. You gotta take care of them. And, and so food is the big, is the biggest solution. And yes, probiotic can help and prebiotic supplements and fi...
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[S1] ... and prebiotics and I, and as a result, I, I was mixing all this different stuff. I created like a simple solution called Gut Food, which is a powder, like a multivitamin for the gut. And it's, it's basically what I take every day to keep my gut healthy. [S2] Do you put it in a shake or do you stir it in a glas...
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[S1] Well, and if you put it in your bathroom, you can actually mark your progress because if you read it in the bathroom, you will know within a couple of weeks of finishing the book whether or not applying the stuff that you just learned had any material effect- [S2] Absolutely. [S1] ... on your digestion, which I wo...
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[S1] It puts you in a rhythm, so your body kind of knows, "Oh, it's- it's time to eat, it's time to sleep." You're- you have a- you're bi- you're a biological organism, whether you like it or not, and you have to regulate yourself based on circadian rhythms and the basic cycles of day and night and light and dark. The ...
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[S1] ... which melatonin helps you sleep at night. [S2] And so the light you're talking about is get outside- [S1] Sunlight. [S2] ... even on a cloudy day. [S1] Yeah. Yeah. [S2] Okay. [S1] 20 minutes. [S2] 20 minutes. [S1] Uh, and these light boxes, you know, even you can use that, that have full spectrum light. Uh, th...
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[S1] Well, listen, listen, Mel, we didn't have the light bulb till 100 and something years ago, right? [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] So, our bodies are like designed, when the sun goes down, to produce all these hormones and chemicals that help us get ready for sleep. But if you're basically like in a North Korean prison camp with...
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[S1] Wow. [S2] Another, another thing you can do is take magnesium. Magnesium really helps with sleep for a lot of people at night. And then the other thing I love to do is a hot bath with Epsom salt and lavender. Why lavender and why Epsom salt? Epsom salt has magnesium, which gets absorbed in the body. [S1] Mm-hmm. [...
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[S1] Keep it dark. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Really important. Ear plugs and eye shades if, you know, you live in the city or something. [S2] Yeah. [S1] But that all helps to reset your sleep system. [S2] Wow. And again, what I love the most is that you have said from the very beginning, your body is designed to work on a very s...
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[S1] In order to tap into this magnificent, intelligent body of yours. [S2] It's a miracle, really. [S1] It really is. Well, Dr. Hyman, in the house, thank you so much. I, um, you made a huge difference in my life, Donna's life. I know that this is going to make a huge difference in everybody's life who listens. Please...
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[S1] ... There is something in the air today. I cannot wait to jump into our topic today. The universe is saying we have to talk about tattoos. I'm really excited because, first of all, my husband Chris is here. Hi, Chris. [S2] Hi, Mel. [S1] [LAUGHS] And I had to get Chris here because I am gonna answer one of the most...
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[S1] figuring out like advanced solutions for diseases like cancer. And can you guess, Chris, when I opened it up to Q and A, what the first question was that I was asked by this audience of pharmaceutical executives? [S2] What's your tattoo say? [S1] Yes. And even last night, we had three couples over, and what were w...
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[S1] And by the time you're done listening to this episode, you're gonna have a phrase that you've identified that will act like a lifeline for you moving forward. And because I always say, this is not just a listening podcast, it's a doing one, I'm gonna ask you to do something specific and know it's not to go get a t...
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[S1] We were 800 grand in debt. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] We were struggling with drinking issues, and we were trying to make the ends meet. [S2] And we thought a tattoo was gonna save us. [LAUGHS] [S1] [LAUGHS]
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[S1] Well, just that Mel had, Mel, you were in radio at the time, right? [S2] Yeah, is when I was a radio host. So you guys, Chris was still in the restaurant business. [S1] So she had- [S2] We were struggling financially. [S1] She had, she was doing some show in Boston and she had, it wasn't the tattoo artist. You had...
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[S1] Yeah, but the also the thing was, is it was supposed to be on the anniversary. [S2] Right. [S1] So now, here we are, with a babysitter, we have our tattoos, you've got your letter, I've got my phrase, we have no appointment. I start calling tattoo parlors, 'cause we decide, let's just head into Boston.
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[S1] they're clearly reticent until they find that thing. And that thing is, by way of having watched us find our own phrase- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... which is very meaningful and has a profound message to us, and it is sort of embodied in, uh, a philosophy, for lack of a better term,
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[S1] ... [S2] That's an option too for anybody, right? [S1] Well, yeah. [S2] Tat- tat- tattos are- [S1] Because that's how you, that's the reason why tattoos can be so powerful, is because a tattoo is what researchers call an environmental trigger. An environmental trigger is something that you encounter visually
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[S1] Absolutely. [S2] Yeah. [S1] I mean, the environmental trigger piece is, just makes such a difference. [S2] Yeah. You have an interesting environmental trigger on your bulletin board. It's a photo of you. [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] Why are you giggling? [S1] [LAUGHS] I, uh, I knew somehow you were gonna [LAUGHS] raise this...
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[S1] ... that a mantra like this can help you on your path of becoming. [S2] Mm. [S1] Rather than the tattoo needing to be a reminder of the end game or being symbolic of something that you aspire to complete rather than just, "This is, this is my evolution."
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[S1] I think, I think that's what makes it also somewhat hard, is that, that feeling. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Like I think most people's reaction is to react swiftly to how that phrase or mantra sounds or feels in that moment, and then they move on, as opposed to, as you say, kind of sitting with it, letting it marinate, uh,...
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[S1] ... over time a little bit to see truly, like, how does that feel? [S2] Try it on. You know, I'd now want to get another tattoo. [S1] [LAUGHS] Because of this conversation. [S2] Yes. [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] Maybe I'm gonna get my mom to write something. [S1] [LAUGHS] This, remember, this show is not about getting a tat...
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[S1] And I do want you to get a Post-it note or a piece of painter's tape or something that you can write your phrase, word, or mantra that's meaningful to you on it. And let's take it a step further. I'd love to see these. [S2] I believe in you is a good one. [S1] I believe in you.
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[S1] I love you too. [S2] And I believe in you. [S1] I believe in you. [S2] And I believe in your ability to create a life that you love one gate at a time. And if you do, it shall be. [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] Oh, let's go get tattoos. [LAUGHS]
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[S1] With the renowned world-leading expert on this topic, Dr. Russell Kennedy is back and in the house for you. Dr. Kennedy! Welcome back to the Mel Robbins podcast. [S2] Thank you, Mel Robbins. How are you doing? [S1] Me? Um- [S2] Yeah.
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[S1] Today, I'm doing great. [S2] Good. [S1] I'm doing great. You, you are the, I think, most downloaded episode that we've done so far. [S2] Oh, awesome.
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[S1] Let me see if I can unpack that. So for you, you said anxious thoughts, like anxiety is sort of those spiral of thoughts. [S2] Yeah. [S1] But truly the, the Genesis of it is unresolved trauma or issues from your childhood that is stored in the body? [S2] Typically, yeah. [S1] Okay. Where does anxiety come from?
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[S1] Forever in the world. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] That we try to change or fix the thoughts in our mind with our mind. And what you're saying, which to me is revolutionary, is, "No, no, no, no, no. Let's, let's, let's forget the mind for a minute and let's drop into the body and let's talk about the feelings that are trigge...
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[S1] I didn't actually know I had anxiety until I read your book. It's like, well, I don't know if I'm doing you any favors as far as that kind of stuff goes. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] But, but really though, I get that all the time because I think that we just, we live in our minds, we live in our bodies. This just becomes n...
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[S1] Welcome back. I'm Mel Robbins, and this is the anxiety toolkit on the Mel Robbins podcast. So I wanna, I, I, all of a sudden this visual came to mind, and I wanna see if we can maybe tease this out into some specific steps- [S2] Sure. [S1] ... that somebody might be able to take, even on their own today, with the ...
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[S1] ... that somebody has to go through to go t- t- to address this sort of chronic on-edgeness, this, this stress, this panic attacks that Carrie's talking about. And the first level is self-awareness, right? [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] So, there may be a large number of people that are listening to this from around the world,...
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[S1] This is something called anxiety that you're dealing with. And what are some of the surprising signs, Dr. Kennedy, that people should be looking for that they may not know could actually be anxiety? [S2] Well, one of the big ones that people don't really realize is constantly looking for external validation. [S1] ...
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[S1] I th- I'd say the one exception is the exciting research in the area of all these psychedelics. But I think you just pointed out the reason why this is the biggest breakthrough. Because when you have an a guided therapeutic experience- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... with a ketamine or an MDMA or a psilocybin, you have the ...
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[S1] ... to reconnect and join in with yourself. [S2] Absolutely. [S1] And repair what you say is the original cause of anxiety, which is a situation in childhood where you felt separate from the caregivers whose only job was to make you feel safe and loved and looked
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[S1] I, there's a lot of like woo-woo inner child stuff. Like people get really fired up by this concept of inner child. And I find the people that get the most fired up by the inner child, "Oh, that's a bunch of crap," or whatever, are the ones- [S2] Did I. [S1] ... that have the most childhood wounding. [S2] [LAUGHS]...
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[S1] Yeah. It's, it's the remnant of, it's at, for the science people, it's the rem, it's the amygdala based remnant of the trauma. So for you, for your car accident, when you rolled in this, on the ski trip- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... there is your amygdala coupled the sound of crunching snow- [S2] Yes. [S1] ... with traum...
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[S1] So for those of you who are listening to this and not watching this podcast on YouTube, Dr. Kennedy just held up the homepage of his phone and there was a photo of him that's three years old. It just made my heart go, "Oh." [S2] Yeah, he's pretty cute. [S1] So what does it do if you do that for yourself?
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[S1] Picture yourself at any age as a child that you want. You know, picture what you're wearing. Um, picture yourself maybe at a happy time in your life. You know, like for you it was like skiing or something like that. Picture yourself in this happy place. And that way you start making that connection. [S2] Mm-hmm. [...
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[S1] ... image of being on the front yard of our house in Michigan, and there were all kinds of kids around, and it was a beautiful summer night. And it was kind of that time of night where it's not quite dark- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... but it's not quite daytime. It's that beaut- It's my favorite time of night, dusk, when...
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[S1] So this, you know, this is something I would add to high-fiving yourself in the mirror, is go back to the best time in your life. When you're high-fiving yourself in the mirror, because then we're getting your insulin involved, we're getting your brain involved in this whole feeling state. 'Cause the feeling state...
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[S1] It's amazing 'cause I feel the gut like pulling me down. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Like the, it's easy to drop into the gut. [S2] Yep. [S1] And the bad experience, it's hard to pull yourself from that back up into this experience that I can feel that's positive. Is that normal?
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[S1] But to really change that sensation, we have to use another sensation because that's the language of trauma, is sensation. It's the body. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] So we use that good feeling that you have, and then we just, we go back and forth. We oscillate between back and forth. And, and
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[S1] It starts weakening that power, that negative feeling in your body that you associate with being a victim, with being helpless. [S2] Yeah. [S1] And here's the other thing about, you know, when, I love when you say you were talking about play because the way this comes in a, in a play is trauma activates both the s...
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[S1] Because we're so confused. [S2] Oh, I didn't know that. [S1] We don't know. Yeah, because once you get up to a certain point in sympathetic activity, your body can't handle it anymore, so it shuts down. So we go into parasympathetic. We don't go into pleasant parasympathetic, but we go into shutdown parasympatheti...
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[S1] Okay, so going back to Carrie, and number one, it was very clear to you as an expert and a medical doctor and a neuroscientist that she's dealing with stored trauma. And step one is kind of recognizing that, and then the next thing she needs to do is to recognize that thinking keeps you in the coping- [S2] Mm-hmm....
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[S1] And there's a great, there's a great song by Peter Gabriel that I listen to. This is, we're getting into Dr. Kennedy's world a little bit. Every morning I, I do this meditation that I make for myself and then on top of that, I end it all by listening to Peter Gabriel's song, In Your Eyes. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] So he h...
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[S1] You, uh, are good to go. And we're going to talk about sleep and anxiety with this question from Jason. [S2] Hey Mel, this is Jason. I always get anxious before I go to bed and then wake up in the middle of the night, uh, worrying about things. How do I stop myself from doing that? Thank you. [S1] Let's first talk...
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[S1] ... is it's, it wants to be active. It wants to pick out things in your environment. And if you're zombie scrolling Instagram until the moment before you go to sleep, that reticular activating system is still going. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] So it will wake you up because it thinks that, you know, thousands and thousands ...
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[S1] And I got below the neck and started dealing with the uncomfortable feelings and the stored memories in my nervous system, which is very different than talking about how you feel. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Getting into your body and feeling that kink in the nervous system, that memory that you wish that you could forget.
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[S1] And then my mind gets involved and I have been attacking it in the wrong order. I have been attacking it first and only in my mind. And yes, you gotta, you gotta start with your mind so that you're aware that you're de- Like that's where you're like ding, ding, ding, ding. Oh, it's anxiety. [S2] Yeah. [S1] But onc...
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[S1] and just breathe through it. Just soothe yourself through that moment. I want to address one more thing, uh, and Jason's question. When you wake up in the middle of the night- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... and your thoughts are spinning, and you're having trouble going back to sleep, what do you suggest somebody does? [S2...
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[S1] ... where you talk to, talk to Jason. So just, like, I want you to pretend Jason's here. [S2] Okay. [S1] And let's coach Jason. So Jason, tonight, when you wake up, in the middle of the night, if you do, these are the th- specific things I want you to do.
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[S1] ... that, uh, Dr. Dad has ever g- given her- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... with regard to her anxiety. 'Cause when she was 21, she still has it a little bit, but when she was 21, she went through a really difficult time. But she said, "The most important thing that you've ever told me is, 'Am I safe in this moment?'" And ...
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[S1] ... for years and years and years, after I started regulating my body, it was like, "Oh, this is what it is. This is the, uh, it all starts to make sense." [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] The puzzle pieces start coming back into connection again. It's like, "Oh, yeah." Like, that's what I came about with, with I didn't get enou...
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[S1] from a moment where you feel separate or unsafe, typically during childhood. [S2] Yes. [S1] And that anytime from that moment forward, that you feel
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[S1] ... separate or unsafe. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] It's going to kind of trigger that same stress path of alarm- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... in your body, and then that's gonna send your thought spiraling, which makes that response of going into an alarm whenever you feel stressed or unsafe, second nature, like unconscious. [S2] Y...
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[S1] I personally believe that after the last three years and the unprecedented amount of uncertainty and change- [S2] And separation. [S1] And separation, yes, that we've all experienced, that most of us are in that hyper vigilant state
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[S1] putting your hand wherever the tension is and saying, "I am safe," or asking, "Am I safe in this moment?" That's the first step because what you're teaching us, Dr. Kennedy, is you're teaching us how to start to repair the root cause of it, right? [S2] Yeah. [S1] Am I getting this right? [S2] Yes, absolutely.
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[S1] Is there anything else that you would recommend that we do in that moment? [S2] It, well, breath, you know, physiological sigh will help. You know, so two sniffs in and a long, slow exhale. [S1] So did you get that, everybody? It's two sniffs in. [S2] And then a long, slow exhale. [S1] What does that do? [S2] Well...
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[S1] ... the more the brain thinks there's something dangerous. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And we start secreting cortisol, we start secreting adrenaline, and, and it supports whatever we think. So if we think we're afraid, your brain will support you. It'll say, "Yes, you're afraid." If you think, you know, you lean into your,...
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[S1] ... It's basically a, the fantastic thinking, memory, all this kind of stuff. And then there's the deeper structures in our brain, you know, the amygdala, the brainstem that, that have no concept of words. Your body has no concept of words. Its language is feeling. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And if the trauma is stored in ...
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[S1] Well, it won't do much. It will help you. It will help you, there's no doubt. It will help you cope, but it will not help you heal. [S2] Can we, can we get technical for just a minute? [S1] Sure. [S2] So when it comes to sensation and feeling, whether it's the pit in the stomach or the kind of getting tense in you...
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[S1] ... by the prefrontal cortex. [S2] And other parts too. Memory parts too. [S1] So- [S2] Yeah.
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