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There always seems to be that kind of value in there somewhere. Yeah, I, I agree. Uh, do you like the sports programming? Yeah, uh-huh. Um, I, I enjoy those also, almost as, as much to a certain extent. I'm, our whole house is baseball fans Uh-huh. and, uh, we enjoy that, and, uh So you're going to watch a game tonight? oh yeah, oh, yeah So do you, do you have a favorite for the series or anything? Uh, probably the Pirates, but only because of Steve Bushel, I guess Oh, uh-huh. otherwise I really don't care that much,
but, uh, you know, I'm, I'm annoyed that the Rangers got rid of him, and, uh, I'd like to see him do well, like all the way to the bank I guess Yes. Yeah, he's a nice guy. I take it you live in the Dallas area. Do you live in the Dallas area? Live in, live in Plano. Uh-huh, yeah, I live in Garland, and, yeah, I, I like Steve Bushel, but I don't really like the Pirates. I'm a big Saint Louis Cardinals fan Uh-huh. so, uh, I'm kind of, I'm kind of pulling for the Braves over all, they, you know, they they've come from so far down, Uh-huh. I really would like to see them do well.
Well, yeah, yeah, it's, uh, so I keep hoping the Rangers are going to do Yeah, one, one year they, maybe they'll make it, I don't know Right. so, but, uh, yeah, I like sports programming quite a bit, but, uh, I guess my, my favorite shows are the, and, you know, that getting back to the point that you made, that's really true, we were watching ROSEANNE, I guess, couple of weeks ago, and her daughter was talking about birth control, you know Uh-huh. and my daughter was kind of walking in during that time, and, you know, she's only seven years old, so, Well, it's, so many of them now, um, you know, it just seems like they feel like they have to stick that stuff in,
and and, uh, you know, I'm, you know, I'm, I'm an adult Yeah. Yeah. and I have adult tastes now, but I don't need that Yeah, yeah. uh, I, I like things that, uh, are, are wholesome, I guess. Yeah, well that, that seems to be more our values, too, like the WONDER YEARS, I, I mean, it's kind of risque stuff for, maybe for teenagers, you know, or, and you can kind of relate to it you know, Uh-huh. I don't know, that's, I enjoy that a lot Yes, yes. but, uh, you know, I agree with you, the,
and it's funny because the shows, like a lot of them that used to be considered risque, like THREE'S COMPANY and stuff, I think they, they maintained, people would watch them because there was that, uh, you know, there was really the period that was going on there, I mean, he really wasn't messing around with the girls, but everybody perceived him that way, and stuff Uh-huh. but as soon as, you know, he went to move in with another girl, the show just died Yeah. and it's, it's interesting that a lot of the shows are that way, Okay, I'm ready. Okay, so we're going to talk about, uh, what kind of clothes we wear while we work. Uh-huh. Do you work for T I? No, I work at home Oh, you do, well, you're like me then
I stay home also. Do you have children? Yes, I have two, a seven year old and three and a half year old. Oh, that's good. How about you? I have four girls Oh. they're nine and five and three and a newborn. Oh, my, you are busy Yes, and they're all girls, I have two girls, so, all girls around here Girls are nice, aren't they? Yes, uh, really sweet. Anyway, as far as clothing goes, um, my wardrobe changes all the time, depending on my size That's how I am too. We go from regular kind of spring clothes regular kind of fall clothes pregnant clothes, clothes that are in between where you're not down to regular size yet or you're on your way up from regular size
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Oh, that's funny. and they're all in boxes or bags, and they all rotate all the time kind of the same stuff all the time, though, Yeah. I don't, uh, get a whole lot new right now, Yeah. Yeah, I know that's kind of how I am. I said, who ever I talk to is going to be board, because when it's summer time, I'm wearing shorts, and when it's cold, I'm wearing sweat pants, and most of, unless I'm going to something special that my daughter's doing, or something like that, Yeah. Yeah, I, I like jeans a lot. Well, that's, that's good. I used to wear jeans all the time until after I had kids, and now nothing seems to be comfortable because I bulge in all the wrong places, so Oh, and it's, it's frustrating,
I just, I find I have to get the right kinds, though, or it's not comfortable Yeah. they, it, it works best if they have pleats in the front Right, yeah. and, uh, they have to, my waist is kind of small compared to the hips, so it has to be not the straight up and down levis kind Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean. Well, But, um, but I, when I was, I was pregnant through the summer this time and I wore dresses all the time because it was so much cooler and so much more comfortable not to have something binding on your waist Oh. Uh-huh. Right. Uh-huh. That's right.
but, uh, One of my daughters was born in June, and I remember, I wore sundresses and, you know, just those real cool dresses almost the entire time Yeah, yeah. And I had one that was born in December, so, um, it was a little bit, because it was a real warm winter Uh-huh. so even, even into like November and December I was still wearing the short sleeve dresses, course I'm always hot when I'm pregnant, too, so Yeah, yeah, I, I didn't really need warm clothes but I really have been spoiled by sweat pants and these new, uh, units outfits, you know, that are just knit, Oh, I haven't tried those, Oh, they are so comfortable. Huh. It's, it's just, um, you know, a light weight kind of like a sweat suit but made out of that real light polyester stuff, Yeah.
and it's just great because you can put, you know, you can decorate them up, or dress them up, if you want, Yeah. or you can just wear them with, you know, tennis shoes if you want. So they're really nice and I've enjoyed wearing those Uh-huh. but I, I don't know if they expected us to talk about blazers and such here but I sure never wear them Yeah, well I don't either, if we, if we had professional jobs where we go into an office and have to wear a jacket or something that would make a big difference. Yeah. I worked part time when my oldest was a baby Uh-huh. and, um, I had to wear a dress every day, and and it was a little bit hard to, uh, wind down, I'm watching, Janice, uh-huh. I would, I would have to drive six thirty five home
and I would be burning up, like in the summer time Oh. by the time I got home I was like, Oh, I've got to get out of these clothes I, I remember that from when I was, I worked way before I was married, even, but offices, they keep them so cold in the summer that you can't wear regular summer clothes and be comfortable Uh-huh. Right. Right. you've got to have something to add to it or something Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if you can, Yeah, and then when you drive home, like especially if you're in a lot of traffic which you are in Dallas, You burn up, uh-huh Yeah. because I always hated to run my air conditioner just sitting still all the time Yeah.
I was afraid I'd make the car overheat. It's hard on the car. Yeah, so I would roll my windows down, it was still a hundred degrees Oh. and I would just be sweltering hot by the time I picked my daughter up, and um, I had a friend who used to take shorts to work, Yeah. and after work she'd go in the bathroom and change her clothes Oh, that's funny, and I thought, that's probably a good idea because you really Yeah at least something cooler, yeah, because you can ruin your good clothes getting so hot in them if you especially if it's something that has to be dry cleaned, which I don't have any of. That's true, Yeah, I don't have to worry a whole lot about that. No,
when you have children, you don't, um, even when I go to church I have to have something I can just throw in the washer when I'm through. That's right, something that it doesn't matter if it gets spit up on, too I know it. I've always been a creature of comfort, too Me, too. if it's not comfortable, forget it. I know, that's how I am, too, Wool was never comfortable to me. Right, me neither, I have, Okay. Where do you enjoy dining out? Oh, I generally go to the quickie places just because they're cheap. Yes, do you have children? Uh, we have four,
but most of them are gone now Uh. so there, there might be, but we were taking, you know, uh, four, five and six people out Yeah, that makes a difference, doesn't it. Yes. What area of the country do you live in? I'm in Texas. Yes, I am, too. But, And we we lived in Ohio prior to this. I did, too. I'm from the Dayton area. Oh. Yeah, uh, but I look for service even at the quickie places type things. Uh-huh. Uh, I don't like to go to the drive-thrus because sometimes they get your order wrong
That's right. and then you're stuck and it's a pain to have to stand there and see what it is before you leave Yes. so I really don't like the drive-thrus that much. I, I like to go and eat there. But I would say service, uh, atmosphere, and whether the food is good, and on going out, I like steaks. So, we try to hit those places when we can. When we travel we look for Wendy's because we have kids, and my husband and I like getting the salads or the lighter meals Uh-huh. and then that way they can get their burgers and fries and we can have a salad bar Yeah. so sometimes we drive for a couple hundred miles until we find a Wendy's, because it's all either McDonald's or Dairy Queens, and, in, in, in the countries, unless it's a large city, I guess Dairy Queen and Wal-Mart are their main Right, that's right, That's what you find,
right, I know. My husband likes, uh, Dairy Queens. He likes their milk shakes and their chili cheese dogs, I guess, Uh-huh. so he's a fan of, of Dairy Queen, and, and we'll go even in town here at times, just as a, a change although I'm not that excited about it. Uh-huh. But we've eat, we eat out so much it's gotten so I don't like to really eat any place but yet I hate to cook food at home Oh. so that might be why I look for inexpensive places just because we're eating out probably five nights a week maybe. Uh-huh. Um. Or we eat junk food at home Yeah. uh, now my Well, what are some of your, your favorite inexpensive places? Oh, we'll go to them all. We sort of take turns.
And we, uh I sort of favor the ones, if I have a coupon we can go there and if not we can't, because it's cheaper Uh-huh. so mine is, monetarily, I guess strongly monetarily based. Uh, we'll go get pizza and, uh, at Little Caesar's, although the kids prefer Domino's. Oh, we are Little Caesar fans here Right. that's where we always go, But it's just a lot cheaper than, than Domino's, so that's. We go to Grandy's quite a bit I would say. Yes, we like Grandy's, too. McDonald's, uh, we've sort of been off of that for a while and no particular reason, and I, maybe we avoided Wendy's the last few years because our daughter worked there and she never wanted us to show up there
Oh. so, I don't, we don't go there that much. Where do you go if you like to have a nice meal out, or a big meal? A nice meal, oh, Where do you go for steaks? It's usually when we're out of town Oh. and I'll order steak or steak and lobster combined Uh-huh. so it's really not in town. Oh. You ever been to Houston's on Belt Line? No. That's where we go to get steaks Uh-huh. they have a teriyaki steak there, and when we have something to celebrate, we head to Houston's. They don't take reservations, and you wind up waiting about an hour Uh-huh.
but the food is good, and they've got a nice patio area that you can wait and get something to drink, unless you get there at five o'clock, then you can go right through. Right. But they have real good signature salads there and nice steaks, so, that's our nice place to go. We don't usually take the kids when we go there, But well, we don't go out that much, I well, I guess we do go out without kids. We're usually picking things up quickly, though we just don't dwell on food too much, Yeah. and, uh, with my husband traveling he can get all he needs of that during the week going to those places Right, That's right. so, it doesn't really matter to him. He'd probably just like to stay home. Well, I think, I, I never have liked to cook food, Yeah, that's the way with my husband. He's gone during the week and likes to eat at home on the weekends,
and I've been eating at home all week long with the kids and would like to go out somewhere, so we have a conflict of interests on the weekend. but I think it all began eating out when we had, uh, the boys in, in different, uh, baseball on baseball Right. it was mainly baseball teams Yes. and my husband would coach, so we were never home at the same time. Uh-huh. I'm not one that's going to fix, you know, the meal at two o'clock in the afternoon so they can eat it all day whenever they're there. Right. or you go you know you fend for yourself. Yep. You go somewhere else. Well, the types of vacations that I usually take, I usually come back more tired after my vacation, then I do, you know, before I take it. Um, I need to definitely take a vacation where all, all I do is rest. And I guess to do that I'd probably have to take it at home. Oh But, um, the vacation spots that I like to go to are places like the Bahamas and Florida.
I enjoy the beach. Oh, I am, after our last summer's vacation I am antibeach. Antibeach. Uh-huh. We went to, uh, Cape Hatteras. Uh-huh. Well, we, we were out visiting one of our kids in Maryland, and we went down to Cape Hatteras for a few days. Uh-huh. And, uh, uh, the, the waves were huge. I've never quite seen waves like this one Uh-huh. and, uh, I was standing in water not more than, in barely above my ankles Uh-huh. and, uh, you know when the waves go in the waves go out they kind of all of a sudden you're in sand above your ankles. Right. And I was standing there talking to my daughter and this really big wave came and totally threw me, and one foot did not come out of the sand, and it tore the ligaments in my knee
Uh-huh. So I'm never going to another beach again, ever. I'm You might be like I am. I enjoy, I enjoy going to the beach and to beach areas, but I really don't like to get in the water, the ocean. I prefer a swimming pool Well, I, I love to go and play around. At least I always did but although actually, my, I like the mountains. I, uh, I don't really like hot weather Uh-huh. that's my biggest gripe about living here. Uh-huh. And I basically, don't want to go to a hot place on vacation Right. I can understand that. Oh. I, my dream vacation is Alaska. Uh-huh. This is just someplace I've always wanted to go
That would be nice. and someday I hope we can afford to just take a humdinger of a vacation up there. Uh-huh. I know I've taken several vacations to Colorado, and I used to live in Colorado, oh, sometime ago for a couple of years, and I really enjoyed that. Uh-huh. Yeah, I'd, I'd like that. Uh, I haven't been to Yellowstone for a long, long time Uh-huh. and I would, uh, we've been talking about going there next summer Uh, I don't know we'll have to, to, Yeah. I've never been up to the Yellowstone area. So, It's been a long time. But you know, it seems when your family is, is different places, a lot of trips involved going to visit That's right. That's right.
You got that. Oh, I'm, we usually go up to Wisconsin at least once a year because this is where my husband and I are both from. Uh-huh. And my mother and his mother live up there feeling lost and alone because we moved down here Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And, uh, we've got one of our, our kids lives out on the east coast and so we have to, you know, go to those. Well, you have, you have a lot of vacation areas you can go to then. Well, I know but I'm tired of them Right. I want to go someplace different up there. That's right. Uh, my, my idea I guess of the ideal vacation would be to begin with, uh, money be no object. You know, so just absolutely, you know, first class fly where I want to, rent a car if I want to. Uh, you know, just the, really the nicest hotels and stuff like that and and not worry if somebody says, well, let's take this little side trip, you know, and not have to sit there and figure out, um, you know, again we, we fit that in there or not. Right. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Right.
Uh-huh. And, uh, that, that's what I, um, you know, that's what I would like to do. I have no interest, for example, in taking a cruise. Uh-huh. To me why somebody would want to ride around on a boat for a few days is mind boggling. It would be sort of, I feel like it would be confining. Yeah. You know I would rather much rather get on a plane and get there and then enjoy myself. Uh-huh Yeah, I just, uh, that, that does absolutely nothing for me. Uh-huh. But, uh, I don't know I can say that I think my, my favorite spots are still to go, to go where there's mountains and, and a lot of trees and, and wildlife to view and, and, uh, I like that kind of stuff. I could just sit there all day and look at the scenery Yes. I, I agree.
I can, I can do that too, and, uh, you know, I think if I had, if I had the money, I would probably go to Europe every year. Because, you know, I think that they have, they have it all over there in just a few tiny, two, two miles. Uh-huh. You know, there's mountains and there's beaches and it's all right there. So, Yeah. Uh, I, I guess I've never really thought about it that way. Our, uh, we have a daughter who's almost thirteen but she's, uh a very picky eater Uh-huh. and our, our standard excuse for not going someplace like that is, you know, gee, Holly would starve to death if we, you know, we took her into the country Oh. so So, but I, I would like if, you know it was anywhere in the world to go, I guess, even though it's hot, Right. I would like to go to Africa. Real excited when I heard this.
So far I've been trying to call all day because I keep getting these subjects like capital punishment so football, I love this. Oh, yes. This is great. Well, we're from Colorado so we're Bronco fans And, um, we just moved here two years ago and they went to the Superbowl when we first moved here and they lost again. That was pretty pitiful, but they seem to be doing pretty good this year. Well, I was from Illinois originally, and I grew up a Bear fan. And, uh, then we moved here even when we knew we were being transferred here we became Cowboy fans. Oh. And we had some wonderful, wonderful years there under Roger Staubach . And we kind of got spoiled. Yeah. We expected it to continue forever.
I think they're doing pretty well this year though. Well, they haven't, they haven't, have they just lost one game this year? I think two. Two. I know they lost, yeah, to Washington and Philadelphia. Yeah. But they're not doing bad. People are pretty surprised that they, I mean they beat the Giants. Yeah, and wasn't that fun. I went to the balloon festival in Plano and carried my little portable radio with me, and I must say I attracted a lot of attention. I bet People running up saying, oh, what's the score, what's the score? Oh, boy, I bet all the men that got direct down there were just right on it That's right and that's exactly what they said, to sound like a my wife dragged me away from the television. Yep. You know, but I wasn't, I had forgotten
or I probably wouldn't have been there. Yeah. Yeah, well, I am, I'm a big football fan. I never my father was a football fan my whole life and he used to have the football pool at the office and all this stuff and I just hated it. And I think I was just mad because he spent so much time watching football on Sundays. Yeah. And, uh, so when I met my husband, he was watching football and I figured out that I couldn't see him all weekend. I couldn't see him until like Tuesday because MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL, if I didn't, like football. So, That's exactly where both of the wives came from I think. Yep. It was, uh, you know, it's easier to join them than fight them. Uh-huh, uh-huh.
And if you want to see them, you might just as well enjoy football. Yeah. And I used to tease my husband sometimes and say, my gosh did you bet the house or something this week to get so excited about, these games. Uh-huh. Well, I do. I just, I love it. It's such, I just think it's such a fun sport. And, uh, I'm just hoping that the Broncos can get back on their feet. We're not convinced that we're going to be Cowboy fans yet. But, uh, Well, it takes a little brainwashing first. Well, I guess we'll first have to get to used to the idea that we're staying here Yeah. That's even harder. But, Are you, uh, transit usually? I mean do you stay not in one place too long? No, we're just, this is only the second place we've lived.
We've only been married for five and a half years. And, uh, we have two small children, and he had a, uh, just got transferred here to E-Systems, so. Well, it will take you a little while but you'll probably always have a soft spot in your heart though for for Denver. Oh. Well, I tell you this, the weather here and there's no mountains or anything, you know, and when you go to a football game in Colorado that's, you know, there's snow and it's an adventure And here, yeah you've just got to drive down to the, to the stadium Oh, I know. and, uh, Well, if they close it in, see, we'll have the best of both worlds then as they're talking about doing. Yes. But, uh, Dan Reeves is a pretty neat guy anyway. Well, he's from here. Yeah, that's right, you know
he was one of ours, one of our boys. That's what I hear. So we are never, we never cheer against Denver unless they're playing the Cowboys. Which is rare. Yeah. Which is good. Yeah. But, uh, I, you know, it's funny in, in Colorado when the Broncos went to the Superbowl three times in the last, I don't know, five or six years whatever it's been. Um, they have these songs on the radio. They take popular songs and, and change them to fit, uh, the Broncos and stuff. Uh-huh. And they had, I was just thinking about one the other day. Uh, if I saw a picture of John Elway in the, in the cafeteria at school, um, but they did the Johnny Angel. They did Johnny Elway to that. Johnny Elway. And, and I was trying to get my son to sing that. My husband was just having a fit to sound like her don't have him sing that song
But, they, they do a lot of fun things. I think football is, football is kind of a, a sport that I think you kind of, it's hard not to like it. Because you know there's just, Well, there is so much about it to like. It's exciting. You know it's so exciting. Yeah. And when the Cowboys won the Superbowl here, of course, they put together some real cute songs, and we all ran out and bought the records, and now we feel like they're kind of a collector's item. Yeah. Yeah, they I, I wish I would have bought the tape when I was in, uh, in Colorado. Because, uh, I, I think about that a lot. But, you know, when I first moved here was when they, well, no, I guess it was about a year ago they did this. This interstate seventy-five song. Or whatever it was about Central Expressway and getting it done in nineteen ninety-five and everything. Uh-huh. That was kind of a funny song but they sure do,
it seems to me like they really love their Cowboys here. Even when they were losing pitifully, you know, people still support them. We drive by some houses everyday that have big signs, we love the Are, are we paying too much in taxes, and are we getting what we pay for? What's your opinion? Well, it's kind of a broad subject, uh, I, I think there are some areas where we, where we, uh, pretty well, you know, get our money's worth, but I, I also think there are a lot of areas especially in, uh, big government, federal government, uh, where we're short changed. Uh, lot of money spent for, uh, things that are not used and, uh, I was, I was in the Air Force and I was at, there were, there was equipment at every base I was ever on that was just going to waste. It was just sitting and rusting and, you know, and Okay. I, I tend to agree with you. When it comes to government spending, there are so many studies done that don't mean anything Yeah. but we'll spend hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars on. Yeah.
And it's nice to know something doesn't work or something doesn't exist, but, it could be put to more practical use. Yeah, and I, I think that, uh, it's a, a tone of our times that politicians, uh, are into themselves more than they are into, you know, doing something worthwhile for the people they represent, which is really unfortunate. That is true. I agree with you in that area. Uh, I have a tendency to, I'm in, from Texas and I read, you know, how our politicians voted each week in the paper. Yeah. And it's, you know, it's interesting how the votes vary and what they ran on in platform don't necessarily come true in their voting in the senate or Congress, whatever. Uh-huh. And don't really respond to, uh, people who write them and call them and, uh, you know, unless they're in the limelight and under pressure So, yeah, I think we get short changed on that. Right, that's very true.
What, what state do you live in? Texas. Okay. That's, What do you think about Robin Hood? Well I work for school district and, uh, it's, it has hurt us a lot. Uh, there has to be some way, I think, to equalize education opportunities. But, uh, you know, our, we, we tend to think, I think, especially big government, tends to think that the solution to everything is to throw money at it. And I don't, you know, that's just not true. I don't think the, you know, I don't think money is going to take the place of intelligence or, uh, problem solving skills. Uh, I think there are, there are too many things that money can't uh, that, that money can't buy that, that are important as far as education is concerned. That's true. What school district do you work for? Richardson. Okay. I work for Plano. Oh. Great,
So, we're comparable. Yeah. As a matter of fact, I just paid my Richardson taxes because I live in Richardson and supplemented the Robin Hoods very thoroughly, I think. Yeah, I think we've, uh, Yeah, we have got it on the line don't we. Our taxes went up tremendously. Yes. And it's not going to get any better. you know, I mean, it's going up and up and up. Uh, I used to live in the Plano school district, and, uh, there was a, an organization, a taxpayers organization that, uh, finally communicated the message to the, I think to the people in Plano that, you know, we didn't want our taxes raised. Yes, I remember there was about four, five years ago. Yeah. Yes. But, this, you know, this, uh, I think living in Richardson, we're kind of spoiled because I think we get, we come closer to getting our money's worth as far as the city is concerned, I think than probably any, any city in the country. Yes, well, did you read in the Dallas paper where they increased the the administrators' pay by thirty three percent after they laid off all those teachers. Is that incredible?
That's, that's the biggest mess I've ever heard of. You know, how can you, how can you justify raising anybody's salary if you, you know, if you have to lay people off? Right. But, you know, I'm not going to complain because Plano got, we all got a pay raise this year. Yeah. You all got a pay raise this year. Yeah. Is that correct? Well, yeah, I think the teachers uh, did, and I don't know about administrators. I, I'm semiretired and I was, I was an administrator, so I, you know, I don't get a raise anymore. I just, I, I work part-time and just get, uh, you know, Okay my pay doesn't change. Are you on the early retirement? Yes. Oh, are you enjoying it? Yes,
very much. Uh, course, I, I still work two part-time jobs So, it's not really total retirement. Well, it's interesting, you know, because when you look at what Richardson has done with the early retirement you, Jeri? Yes. We're supposed to discuss crime in the United States and what can be done with it. That's a rather, rather broad topic They're usually pretty broad anyway. Yeah. Where do you live? Uh, we live in Plano. Okay, so, that's a, Uh, and where you are? I'm in Richardson, so when I heard the topic I was thinking of the thing down at, uh, Maceo High School in Dallas. Uh-huh. Right. Right,
that is so frightening. It is, you know, Uh, do you have children in school? No, mine are already in college now, so I don't have to, Yeah. at least when they were in high school, it was beginning but not like the rampages. Well, I have, my oldest is his first year in high school so we have all this to, to look forward to, and it is really frightening, uh, to think that you can't even send them to school in safety. I mean, certainly, you know, you can't just turn them loose in the middle of Dallas, but, you know, when you can't even, send them on their normal activities in safety, it, it's really frightening. That's true. And, uh, I really, you know, they're coming down on the principal, but I really don't know what they can do. I mean, it's just in so much of society with the violence and the kids having access to weapons and drugs
and I, I really don't know what, what can be done. Yeah, well, I just, I just don't understand how, of course, in my little world, how guns could be so available. Well I don't either, but apparently they just really are. Uh I mean, to me, in Plano you would think that would be about, you know, about as innocent as you could get for for being in a, a large area. But, you know, my son comes home and tells me that, you know, he hears kids talk about having guns and uh, someone came to his football practice about two weeks ago with a gun. Oh, my heavens. And, I mean, it just scared me to death and, you know, they called the police and, and nothing happened, but my goodness you know, it, it could have easily. Well, maybe that's the answer to crime is getting more prosecution. Maybe so. You know, because I don't, now I, somehow I feel we're living in an impartial society as far as people seeing something happen, you know, across the street, or seeing someone get mugged, or unfortunately, raped, and people don't do anything. Yeah. A woman was raped in Richardson, I read in the paper oh, about a two weeks ago now.
And all the neighbors said they heard her yelling for help. Oh, no. But nobody, nobody did anything. I just can't imagine that. You know, I mean they heard someone calling for help. Nobody even called the police to say, you know, I hear a strange screaming Right. I'm afraid, you know, if you, I don't blame people with today's society about going out to help themselves. Right, well, I can see, you know, especially if you heard screams from a house or something, not going over there maybe, because, you know, it could be dangerous, but certainly I can't understand not calling the police. Yeah. I, I just, you know, it's, it's really frightening that we're not, we're trying to live in our own little cocoons and probably one of the best things we could do for crime is to participate ourselves in its prevention. Right. Well I, I think you're right there. I guess people just kind of keep their noses pointed in their own business,
but I think that's real dangerous and, uh, I don't know. I try to tell my kids just, just kind of be aware of what's around them, you know and if you see a situation that looks like it could be trouble, just get out of it or call for help, whichever. Yes. But, uh, Yeah, well, you know, the call for help is what scares me now because it, it just, I don't know, people just don't, I don't know, I can't say they don't care, because people just have to care about another person. Yeah. But it's that not getting involved, that impersonal society, I think we live in today. Well, maybe this thing with with the child at school, maybe that will make people think a bit more and, you know, take some steps to, to correct it. I don't know, it's, it really is, is frightening. Yeah I, uh, Let me ask you,
getting back to your son's football practice because it really sort of astonished me that police aren't doing, he didn't have a license for the gun, correct? I don't know. I mean, I don't know the details. This was not a child that was on the team. It was someone that, uh, you know, just kind of showed up at the field. Uh-huh. Uh, it was a, a student age person, but I'm not even, Tell me what you like to do. Well, I, I collect antique tools, uh, for one thing, I well, I'm sort of in an antique business, but it's a little sideline, part time thing. Oh. Uh-huh, wonderful. And, uh, I'm building a, a log house at a farm that I have in East Texas, which is a hundred miles from here. Oh. Wonderful. Yeah, it's really neat.
And, uh, uh, course I've been working on it for five years, but, you know, Oh, but how wonderful. Are you close to getting it done? Yeah, yeah, it's getting real close to Oh. you know, of course there's still a lot of work to be done, and then when you get it completely, you know, the shell finished, uh, you still have a lot of stuff to do inside, but, uh, Are you going to move your whole family over there then? No, actually, uh, I'm not even sure, I may, I'll probably always have a place here in Richardson or Dallas Uh-huh, kind of your getaway place. Yeah, escape.
But it's beautiful, it's, you know, it's Eastern Hardwood, uh, forest, there are a lot of pine trees, but it's mostly oaks and . Oh, how beautiful, and it's pretty flat there? Well, it's kind of, hilly, but, it's, you know, low hills, it's not, uh, See, I've only been to Texas once. I have two sisters in Texas now, um, one in Austin, one in Dallas, and the one in Dallas is the one that got me to doing this Yeah. and, uh, I thought Austin was beautiful You, I liked the hills and the trees, Yeah, in Yeah,
it's really different because that's kind of the, you know, that's the chalk hills down there, limestone hills, Oh, and you've always, lived in Texas, have you? Yeah, except for time in service. Uh-huh. Born and raised Texan, huh. Yeah. At, at which one? Well, I had never been there, that's pretty neat. My sisters both seem to like it pretty well. My brother-in-law works for the University, um, in Dallas. He's admissions director. Uh. University of Texas in Dallas. Oh, okay Yeah. it's just north of me here. Yeah, well that's, he's got a job there and this is his first year, so, it's been a real interesting thing for them
That's great. But they seem to like it okay. I think they're too far away from me, but maybe some day they can get closer, Well, yeah, we'll see. Pretty good trip. So what do you, what kind of hobbies are you in? Well, I'm mother of four, so basically I'm just, real busy with my kids right now in sports, and we have a little Halloween talent show tonight, and, I substitute at the schools part-time. Oh, that's great. Well, I am a travel agent at heart, and my hobby is just, I love traveling and, and being involved of that and finding out more, uh, but, it's real hard to work in the summers and holidays and weekends when you have four children and a husband, so I reluctantly gave that career up and am just substituting at the school, No, kidding. so I've been librarian all this week, which has been real interesting,
and I'm enjoying it. I'm around my kids That's pretty easy substituting isn't it? yeah, it's great, it's great, and what else do I do, I do lots of cross stitching when I have time Ooh. and I enter things in our little state fair, and that's pretty fun. That's great. Well, but, actually my hobbies is mostly is my sports. Tennis, I play tennis. Ooh, I love tennis too Ooh, do you? and I ski, ski, do you ski? Yes,
we snow ski. We snow ski at Mount Bachelor mostly in Oregon, Uh, that's great. have you ever been there? No, uh, Wonderful place. I've skied in Colorado and we usually go to New Mexico because it's a little cheaper, you know. Ooh. Uh-huh. Where in Colorado? I've been to Telluride which is on the west side and, uh, Copper, Yes, yes. Copper is kind of my favorite up there. Breckenridge and Keystone. Really. Uh-huh. I guess those are the only places I've skied up there. I would love, I can hardly wait to get up there.
Me, too. You guys, are you guys getting snow? We, it is snowing right now. We're to get one to three inches tonight. Oh, gee, I heard Aspen got three feet. Oh, yeah, well we're, we are on the dry side of the mountains. Seattle is only about two and a half hours, so of course I'm a real Seahawks fan Yeah. and, um, going over that pass is just a real nightmare. I can imagine, my lord. And, um, so, and we're on the colder side, they're on the rainy side, we're on the snowy side and, um, we, we ski. My, my children all ski Oh, super.
and we've, we have been to Whistler in Canada, which is just a marvelous place, Whistler and Black Home is in Canada, and then we've gone to Sun Valley several times, that's a, just a great place. But no not in Colorado since I was in college, since I went to school, What about Utah? Haven't been there, I keep hearing these marvelous things about Deer Valley and, Yeah, haven't either. um, to don't, Adam, talking to um City, Always want to go to Canada Canada to Banff or somewhere like that Ooh, yes. And your kids all ski? Uh, not all of them Uh-huh. My, my kids are all grown. Uh-huh. But my youngest son is a skier. Really,
that's great. Well, my boys are at the point where they scare their mommy to death. Uh-huh. When they're skiing they're fearless, and they go off, Okay. When they first said the subject, my mind went kind of blank. I thought, Gee, I haven't taken anything back for a long time. Well, I haven't either, uh, I, I hate returning things. Yeah. I mean, I, I have a friend who, if she likes something, isn't sure what size somebody might need, will buy it in every color and size and, you know, take everything back again Yeah. It's, you know, it's a game to her, but I, I do not like to do that I consider it kind of a, a waste of my time. And so I'm usually, uh, pretty careful when I shop Uh-huh. and I also, you know, usually have, have checked over things, you know, if it's like an appliance or something to make sure, uh, it has the features in it that I want. Right.
Now we've had one lately, um, oh, a, uh, a Dustbuster Plus that we bought, Uh-huh. and we've had it for a while, but all of a sudden it just wasn't working, and it looks like there's a part missing from it. My husband opened it up and whatever, and of course we don't have the receipt any more, so we can't take it back Of course, uh-huh. Uh, but, I think a lot of goods are made not to last real long Right uh, right, just to get you by five years and then you'll throw it away rather than have it fixed Yeah. We're, we're a wasteful society, for sure. Well, that's true, and lot of times though, it is, it costs so much to get something fixed that you almost are just as well off buying another one you know, if it's,
Right. Right. And you usually get what you pay for. We bought some walkie-talkies a couple of years ago for Christmas, and they were like ten dollars, and we expected them to work nice for the little kids, and they didn't work worth anything Uh-huh. So we took those back, and that's about that all that were taken back in ages. Well, yeah, I think a lot of times, if you get a brand name uh, you know, if it's a, a good brand, Yeah. I, you, I think there's, there can be a lemon in anything but, uh, I think more often than not, Right. you, you pretty well know what you're getting ahead of time, and, uh you know, if you buy a good one, you shouldn't have any, you know, too much of a problem with it, Right. I mean, we, we had a car once that we tried to have declared a lemon under the lemon law which is extremely difficult to do.
Oh, really. It's hard. We never could get it declared a lemon, and the car would go and, without any warning whatsoever, you could be going down the freeway at sixty and it would stop Oh, wow. and I, there was just, you know, and, oh, we went round and round with the manufacturer and, and everything, and they got it finally semifixed, but it was such a hassle Uh-huh, and it just pertained to that yeah, yeah it, it really is, uh, but, gee, this is, of all the topics I have had, I'm doing this thing, this is kind of the strangest one. I, at first I thought of food, you know, because that's what, mainly what I buy, it seems like,
and, uh, you know, I still don't have any, anything to do there, but, But I, I think, too, a lot of people don't buy their warranties either because they know that when it's that old they're going to buy a new one, Uh-huh. so. Well, I think that's true, and I, uh, now we generally don't buy a warranty, because you think, you know, at least for the first couple of years, nothing should go wrong with it. Yeah, my husband is really good at fixing things, too, so he usually, be able to fix anything that's minor, and and that has saved us thousands of dollars, you know, from to mechanic to anything like that Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. but, but, it was interesting to, I don't know if they're making them better or not, I, it's hard to say. Some, I think they more of their parts plastic, which, you know, makes things break easier, but I think the technology is better. I think technology is better, I'm, I'm not sure.
I think you've got a good point with the plastic and that. About quality. I don't think necessarily that, things are being made better uh, you know, Right. I, I, everything is so automated, uh, and things can be made without, I think a human hand ever touching it, you know an awful lot of things, Yeah, Yeah. and I think that certainly makes a difference from, back from the time when somebody handcrafted something and, you know, had some pride in it. Right. Well, people aren't willing to pay those prices very often, so, you know, for a handcrafted something, so Well, yeah, that's that's true. so. So, if we get what we what we deserve Yeah, well, I, I do, uh, you know, craft work and sell stuff at shows and that, and uh, uh, you know, it's, it's, it's a real eye-opener as far as, you know, why people charge what they do to, you know.
Well, you keep up with current events? Um, somewhat. Yeah, somewhat Not, not as well as I would like to probably Is that right? but that's the way it goes. Yeah, where, whereabouts in Pennsylvania. What? Where in Pennsylvania? Um, State College, I go to Penn State. Oh, do you, well, great. Yep. How's, uh, well no, we're not supposed to talk about that.
We're supposed to talk about current events. Right, exactly, uh. Well, I'm a current event junkie. So I, I watch, I try to watch the news, and I read the newspaper, and I like to read TIME magazine and PEOPLE magazine to keep up with what's going on in the world. I see. Well, what particularly are you interested in? Well, I just, pretty, uh, little, you know, about everything. And, not and then again not everything, Uh-huh. but you know, I like to know pretty well what's happening. Political things don't interest me a great deal, except I do like to stay informed enough to, feel like I halfway vote intelligently, you know Uh-huh. but, uh, other than that, uh, I just, you know, just the events that happen around the world interest me. Stay in touch with it and know, feel like I know what's going on. Yeah. Now I have to say all three of my children, none of them are too interested in current events. I see.
But I always have been Uh-huh. and I stay up with it. But, uh, how do you, how do you, uh, stay aware of most of the current events. Uh, newspaper? T V news, or what? Um uh, well, some of both. Uh-huh. I read, I read the newspapers sometimes Uh-huh. and I watch C N N, that sort of thing occasionally Right. Yeah, that's good. and I read magazines, and such. Well, you stay up with it pretty well, then. Well, yeah, I mean, not, not that badly anyway, Uh-huh. so I am, I am interested in what's going on, and I'm particularly interested in certain things of course, like all the news about Haiti recently because I've been down there Uh-huh,
yes, uh-huh. Oh, you've been there and, yeah. well, you would be interested in it then. Right, exactly. Yeah, uh, I follow it, you know, I don't just read everything about it, but I'm always aware of what's going on like that Yep, and, uh, because it is, it's interesting Uh-huh. and, uh, I don't know, I feel sorry for those people down there, they've just been so terribly mistreated for so many, many years, you know. I mean, through Papa Doc, That's true. They've never really had a good leader, I mean he was a terrible tyrant
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and I think it's been better since he died, but it's still been bad Yeah. but, uh, even that priest that was in control there for a while that they overthrew, uh, I've read some things about him that he was, he wasn't too good himself. Oh, yeah? Yeah, he was pretty, pretty much a, he didn't mind having people bumped off for certain things, you know. Uh-huh. But, uh, It's, one of the reasons the U S wasn't so, you know, didn't do more than they did at the time because they weren't all that excited about him, although he's probably better than a lot of them, I see. Uh-huh. but, uh, but then again, who, you know, those people are so used to it I guess it's the only thing that works. Yeah, so what do you think about the quality of news coverage in America?
I think it's pretty darned good, I think we're lucky to have as good a coverage as we have Uh-huh. I really do. Now, I, they sometimes they jump on it and, and, and go a little to the extreme, the media does, but, uh, but, that's kind of understandable, because, you know, of course if you watch it more, more than once a day, I mean, it's the same thing over and over and over and over, and I listen to the radio Right, right. so I, you hear so much, you get a little tired of it, but then again, so many people you got to understand only catch it once a day, maybe Yep. but I think the quality of our, uh, our news is just, uh, I don't believe it could be better Uh-huh. I really don't. Yeah, well, you know, I think it probably could be, it always could be better, but I, would agree that it's pretty good.
I don't think so. I don't think our news could be better. Yeah. I, I mean, I mean, what else could they do to make it better. Um. I don't see anything that they could do. Yeah, well, I think that, um, I don't know. Well, you always want to think everything can be improved upon The, um, Right. I understand what you're saying, Right, I think that, But by trial and error over the years, I think they got it about as good as they're going to get it. Well, that may be so, yeah. Uh nothing is perfect. I think that I'm not always satisfied with how dig they deep into the how deep they dig into things and such.
Uh-huh. Well, that's true, I understand what you're saying, and then again, I understand why they can't dig too much deeper, that's why we have C N N. Right. C N N has the time, since that's all they do is news to dig deeper. Uh-huh. Right. Uh, well, I, I guess it's a subject I haven't thought too much about. Uh, I don't know if there's so much wrong with the public schools, uh, as much as, we're expecting too much out of them. Uh, that might be a lot to do with it. I know a lot of it here in my state, I'm from Mississippi, I'm not sure where you're from. Minnesota, Wisconsin. Minnesota, okay. Well a lot of it in Mississippi here has got to do with funding. Yeah.
Problems with our educational system, a lot of it's due to money. Uh-huh. And they're trying to spend money where we don't have it and there's a lot of things we need that we just can't afford. Yeah. Well, it's, it is getting very expensive to run schools, so. Well it is. They've got computers now that you got to train on. There's just so much, uh, more and less money to do it with. Right. That's true. And a lot of it, lot of it has to do with, uh, salaries too, speaking of money. Right. Yeah. Cause if you can't pay the right people, you know, they're not to be able to do, they're not, not going to get the people that can do a good job. Yeah, yeah. I, I, I guess that in, uh, talking on a lot of the things as far as the discipline in the schools, I, I think they're expecting schools to discipline the kids
and, uh, I think it should go right back to the parents. If you don't train your kids right then Right. Right. I feel the same way. A lot has to do with how the kids were raised at home. Right, yeah. And then when the kids get to school, they try to take away a lot of things that they can do to discipline the kids. I mean, they've so severely limited what disciplinary action you can do. Yeah, yeah. I, I know when I, uh, was going to school it wasn't uncommon for a teacher to strike a student that was misbehaving. Exactly. Right. I mean they do that now and they could probably lose their job Lose their job and big lawsuit and all that. Yeah, yeah
I feel that's got a lot to do with it. People aren't as afraid of misbehaving as they used to be. Right, right. Yeah It seems that'd be a subject that I, I don't have much to say on Really. We, we've talked some about it in my state because we've had a lot of, uh, our governor that just got thrown out of office was trying to be real big on education but he wasn't. Yeah. And a lot of his problems had to do with money mostly. I know a lot, a lot of, if you have more money it's just logical that you can provide a better school system. Uh-huh. And, unfortunately, there's not many places to get that money. Yeah Then if you don't have qualified teachers in the different , I know one of my physics professors at college has addressed this. That most of the teachers at the elementary and high school level aren't scientists,
they're teachers. And they may not know a lot about what they're teaching. Where they may have just had a teaching major and then had some social studies courses and they're trying to teach social studies. And they don't know a lot about that Right. Where maybe a physics professor, he, my professor was a physics professor and he said a lot of teachers teaching physics today have no background of physics at the high school level. So therefore, they're teaching from a teacher's point of view and not from a physicist point of view. And that causes a lot of trouble. Right. Yeah. I don't know, maybe they should sit back and, and kind of, uh, decide on where the money's best spent. I know in a lot of cases, uh, different districts like to have nice fancy schools. Right. And maybe they should be a little more, uh, uh, concerned with paying the right people to teach and, and be, uh, satisfied with maybe a little older school. Exactly. Because, I mean, here in the town I went to high school,
one of the, there were four high schools in my county, one of the high schools was blown away by a tornado. So when they rebuilt that school, they had a, a top of the line, high tech school there. Uh-huh. And the other schools were built back in maybe the fifties or early sixties and then when, uh, the evaluation committees came through, they praised the school that had been rebuilt while they were down grading all these other ones. Telling them what they needed to do to fix up this building and this and this and this and so it kind of would make you think that we'd all be better off if all the schools were blown away by tornadoes and we had to rebuild them. Yeah. Yeah. Well I, I know, uh, where I came from. We didn't have a very, uh, rich community and, uh, high school that I went to was very old and, uh, as far as I know, it's still there. They've expanded on it but they've never built a new one and it's probably fifty, sixty years old or, or better and I don't foresee them, uh, building a new one for a long time because they can't afford it. Right. Exactly Okay, uh, so what do you think about the school system? Well, I think they're, they're having a lot of trouble right now.
I know my son goes to a private school, but, uh, I think they're, big city public schools by definition are having a, a tough time right now just from, uh, probably from budget cuts and, and everything else going on. Uh, why did you choose a private school? Well, I had one that was needed to be able to be moved along at a, at a pace a little faster than he was going to be able to be moved in public school, so he's, he has been going to private since kindergarten Public school. Oh, has he? So, Then how does he like it? Oh, he's loved it. He is a senior in high school this year so he's, So he's been there all the time. Yeah, he's done it the whole twelve and, uh, so many years and it's been, uh, it's been really good for him. How big of a school is it? Uh, overall on campus about twelve hundred, but in the upper school, upper four grades, uh, about four hundred and something so it's maybe a hundred per grade. A hundred per grade, that's a good size.
Yeah, it really is. Kind of gives them the, you know, I get a little leery of the real small ones that they don't get much interaction with kids but, uh, Yeah, that was, we were kind of looking for one that would be a mixture and he's done, he's done really well, So they don't, That's good. and just, he was just ahead at an early age and I didn't feel like, uh, in, what was available, particularly in the first three grades Uh-huh. and even in the fourth grade where they started what they called reach was still a pull out one day program. Huh. And I just didn't think that was going get it. I thought he needed to be exposed to a situation where he could push ahead, uh, every day. But yet still be with his peers age wise. Right. Still enjoy the, Right.
Uh, one thing I think I've noticed is, uh, my oldest is in kindergarten, so I'm in a little different ballgame. You're just getting started. I'm just, starting her, but, uh, seems to me that, uh, kids these days, uh, can really get away with murder and the teachers don't have as much, aren't respected as much and, uh, they have to be so careful of the things they do and say. Yeah, I know. That's a big problem. And, uh, makes me a little nervous that, uh, students don't seem to show that respect and, We wouldn't have thought of crossing a teacher when we were in school. No! Heavens, no. Wouldn't have thought of it and and they'll stand there now with them toe to toe No, you wouldn't.
and, And, uh, the things they can say and do to a teacher and they do from what I understand, uh, I think that's wrong. I think we need to get back to the, show some respect and, course, I guess the teacher used to warrant that but, Yeah, but a lot of times it's not being taught in the home anymore like it used to be, basic respect for for elders and adults and particularly in, in responsible positions have not, uh, I don't think have, had that basic upbringing in a lot of cases Right. For other people and, and so then you wind up with little brats on your hands. Well, how do you think that that's happened? You think our society's just, uh, stopped talking out, or this, uh generation's just kind of changed a little bit, uh, I guess, I, Well, the world changes, so I mean, obviously, kids are not the same now as they used to be. Right. I mean they're exposed to a whole lot more things.
They have a whole lot more, uh, variety of things they they're, that they see and do at an earlier age, so life is not maybe as simple as it was at one time, but, but still, I think it goes back to a commitment by the parents to, to teach, uh, basic values and basic, uh, respectful of, uh, of authority. Right. And I just don't think that this doesn't always get emphasized anymore, uh, That just isn't coming through is it. No. I mean, I remember, uh, well, it was a big thing when they let girls wear Levi's. We used to have to wear dresses Yeah, had to wear dresses, didn't you? and then you had to, go to dresses, they had to be a pantsuit and it was polyester and it had to be matching and, And when it was skirts, it was like, get down on the floor and we hold the ruler up here Yes. and it's no more than so many inches above the knee
Exactly. Yes. Because it was mini skirt time back there at one time. Yes, so it's really changed. It's, uh, really kind of gone the rounds, so I think that maybe that's effected it to some degree. They say you kind of act how you're dressed a little bit, so I, Yeah, I think that probably does have, have something to do with it, and it's also, Do, uh, does this school your son goes to, do they, uh, require to wear a uniform or, No, they do not do uniforms, although one, where he was between like second and eighth grade did. Uh-huh. Yeah, there are quite a few of your Okay
Yeah. Well, considering you moved here from California, I guess, the rain for the past few weeks has been different than what you have down there. Yeah, we have, uh, in California, I'm in I lived in central California. We have rain couple times a year and other than that, you know, it would be maybe October and then in the spring and then other than that there wouldn't be any rain. So, Especially the last few years. Yeah, yeah. It's kind of, it's kind of been a drought out there hasn't it, uh, Yeah, there has. So here, I know that, uh, last year there was some ice storms while I was out of the state and I'm glad to see there haven't been any this year. Yet Yeah, yet Still could come,
huh. Generally if we're going to get them, it's not going to happen, uh, prior to January one. Uh-huh. You may get a cold snap or two or some rain or something like we've been getting in December, but usually the bitterest weather, if we're going to have any, comes in January and February. Yeah. Um. Then by March things are getting warm again, so we really don't have, as long a cold season, I guess as people up north. Yeah, yeah it's so hard to predict here. It's been eighty degrees on Christmas day here before. Yeah. Lots of times. Well, today it's not bad out there. No, it's nice. I just came in from outside Uh-huh
and it's, it's really pretty. It's kind of nice to have it dry all the ground out before it rains again. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a, I'm a scoutmaster and so I wind up going out camping with, uh, a bunch of boys at one time and so, it's better for us if it hasn't been this totally wet before we go Uh-huh. Yeah. So you do that even in January, huh? Oh, yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah, we camp year round. Yeah, oh, that's interesting. But, uh, It's, uh, it's definitely different. Uh-huh And then, I guess you've been through a couple of summers here, too, right? Yeah,
I have and they're not too pleasant It gets so humid. To me it's humid here. People that I know that come from, uh, like Georgia or North Carolina, Yeah, they say, it's, Oh, it is. It's not as humid. As Houston, say, or Atlanta, but it, But more humid than Arizona Yeah. But I find it, and California for the most part. Right. Were you northern California? I was central California. Central. Central valley. It's very dry there. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's pretty hot in the summer.
It's in the usually, you know, for a good three, four weeks we have over a hundred degrees. But it's a drier, But it's a dry heat, yeah. Hundred when you have a hundred here, everybody's dying Uh-huh, yeah, I know. Well, I lived in Africa for a couple years in Cameroon Oh. and that's a tropical climate and it really feels similar to this during the summer. What types of, What type, what type of business takes you to those climates or was that just vacation or something? No, I was, uh, working with, uh, I still work with Wycliff Bible Translators. Oh. It's an organization where we are looking to translate the BIBLE into languages of the world that aren't yet written. Not so much still trying to translate old texts as just trying to translate modern versions into other languages. Right, languages that don't have anything written yet.
So this is like the first thing that's written down or you know, first an alphabet is developed Oh. and then, uh, That's interesting. So, You don't think about that as a career, a normal career, uh, when you're thinking of things that people might be doing. Yeah. Yeah, well, it's based here, uh, the international headquarters for Wycliff Bible Translators is right here in, in Dallas. So you're, you're with the home office now Yeah, right now I am. That's what brought me here, yeah. Well, the, uh, I think, uh, all in all there are a lot worse climates than Dallas, uh, the weather you know, does change fast Yeah. and things do happen severely a few times a year,
but there's an awful lot of good weather, too, in between. Yeah I agree, I agree. I, I thought the fall was really nice. Yeah, and usually a lot of the spring months are really nice, too. After the last freeze Uh-huh. and, and when it begins to be in the sixties and seventies most of the time, uh, I like that. Particularly if I'm going to be outdoors and doing, uh, outdoor activity, hiking and things. Yeah. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And that's nicer. Yeah, you probably do a lot of that with scout scouting. Yeah, I do quite a bit of that Uh-huh. Think we're going in just a couple of weeks out to the, east Texas, and it is a little more humid out there than it is here,
so I guess we'll, Uh-huh. the only thing you have to watch out in this part of the country is during the change type seasons is the really severe storms that occasionally come through out here on the plains. Uh-huh. There's not much between us and the North Pole Yeah. And then when you get one of those tornado type systems through or severe hail or thunderstorms Uh-huh. and then, Okay. Uh, do you live in a home? Yes. Uh-huh. We, we, it's a house we bought, uh, about two and a half years ago now. Oh, did you? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. First house. We've lived in ours for about six years. We had it built, actually.
Uh-huh. And, uh, uh, it's our first home, too. Uh-huh. Yeah. So what do you think of, of owning a home as opposed to, to renting somebody else's? Um, well before we built our home we were managing some apartments that we were living in, Uh-huh. and, um, that was quite an experience I, I much prefer having my own home and, and, uh, just the space and, and more privacy. Uh-huh. Yeah. Do you have, is it a fairly large house? Um, it's, uh, uh, it's like twenty-four fifty square feet. Oh, that's pretty good size. Yeah. It's a two story. Uh-huh. Yeah. How about yours? It's tiny.
Is it small? It's not much bigger. Actually we had an apartment, two bedroom apartment that was about as big as this house is. So. Oh, really. Yeah, it's, uh, it's only like eleven hundred square feet. Oh, uh-huh. Do you, do you have children? Just one. Just one. Yeah. Oh. But, it, it, uh, all the rooms are small, I mean, but it ends up giving us three bedrooms, which we wanted. And, uh. Use an extra one for an office which is handy. Oh, uh-huh. Yeah. I'd rather have, have more rooms and less space in each one I guess. Rather have lots of rooms and lots of space, but, uh, that ends up costing me. Oh yeah,
yeah. Well, like, um, how does it compare to the ones in your neighborhood? Well, they're, it's pretty typical, I mean, it's a very, very middle class neighborhood. Uh, lots of, lots of young couples with, you know, oh, I'm sure that virtually everybody in the neighborhood, that's their first homes Oh, uh-huh. and, uh, lots of kids and stuff, and, so it, it fits well, in the neighborhood. It's, it's certainly not a real upscale neighborhood, but on the other hand, it's clean and kind of suburban little bit more than I want. Yeah. Yeah. Is, is yours also pretty much in conformance with the neighborhood Uh. Yeah, it, it, it, it does, it, it seems about, oh, probably average. Um. or is it? Uh-huh. But our neighborhood has a, just a wide variety of, of, um, people, and, you know, there's older people here, and, and, um, people that are our, our age,
we're in our thirties. Uh-huh. And, um, there's a lot of kids, a lot of kids. People across the street have eight. Uh-huh, wow, eight kids? Uh-huh. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, their home just burned down matter of fact, and, um, last summer, Ooh. and they're just rebuilding and, um, their house is going to be really big It's. I'm sure, with eight, gosh. Yeah, they're building a lot bigger. He's, uh, um, uh, oh, not an obstetrician, an, an orthopedic surgeon. Uh-huh.
And, um, so since the house did burn, they're, they're going, it's quite different than it was before, and it's it's a lot bigger. Uh-huh. Yeah. And, um, but ours is about, it's, you know, it's a nice home, it's definitely not one of the, the smaller ones, and, um, it's not the biggest either. But. Yeah, new ones, I mean, they, they tend to, to be real tiny, but that uh, especially in newer neighborhoods, my, my brother just built a new house. He lives in Wichita, Kansas, and the, um, the neighborhood actually fought him on it, because he, he was, um, the house was going to cost less to build than any other house in the neighborhood. Oh. Now, that's because he was, he's doing a lot of it himself and, you know, for example, landscaping and, and lots of the other stuff, Yeah. and his house actually ended up being nicer than lots in the neighborhood,
but but they were, they were pretty touchy on it. Yeah. You. He was a little surprised. You know, that's interesting you say that, because we do have, we have those architectural codes here Uh-huh. and when we, um, put out house in, um, they wanted us to have, there was one, we have part siding on, on the two story part and then on the back, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and, they, there was one side where our chimney was, and just the chimney was going to be brick, and they wanted us to have more brick, so we ended up having to go halfway up Uh-huh. which, it does look nicer, and, you know, we would have like to have had all brick, but, of course at that point we couldn't afford it,
and, but, it's funny that you'd say that, because there were homes in here that didn't have any brick at all. Right. So it's kind of like, they were. Kind of depends on when they get in, you know. Yeah, yeah, and, I, and so it was kind of like it's they, ours is the last street that they built on. So the houses actually on our street are a little bit, they're kind of gone a little bit nicer. Oh, they have, it's gotten, yeah. Yeah, I mean, just they, you know, Yeah, oh. it's like the second phase Uh-huh. and, and so they've kind of changed the, the codes a little bit, and so that's kind of why, I guess, they stuck us with more brick when there were other homes that didn't have any.
Um. Well, see, my sister kind of got in the opposite end of that, because they, they moved into a neighborhood and bought a, a real nice stone house down in South Austin. Oh, uh-huh. And, uh, and, the, what the builder apparently plans to do, is they, they do phase one, and they kind of give it a very upscale and very tightly controlled, uh, codes and, and, and stuff, and then they come back in, and, and then they sell, I, uh, spent four years as a university professor. Oh really? And, Yeah. I, I spent three years, I'm teaching in public schools and elementary school. Oh, do you really? Uh-huh. That's great. I taught in Utah, and, uh, Did you teach in California? No kidding. I did.
Uh-huh. I did, uh, You sound pretty young for a university professor Well, I was pretty young. I was, uh, I had never intended to do it and I was, uh, uh, given the opportunity after I'd started a management consulting firm to teach in, in, uh, uh, one of the business schools in the California State University system. Uh-huh. At any rate, uh, the topic is fascinating because one of the things I've done for the past few years is, uh, research the problem from the point of view of, uh, uh, what appears to be working best and how you can explain it theoretically. Uh-huh. You may be familiar with cooperative learning. Have you ever, Well you can, you can tell me a little bit more about it because I don't think we did that in Utah. Well, the cooperative learning is a technique that was tried initially to integrate the public schools. And, uh, what, what it involves, basically, is the use of peer groups and the, uh, teacher becomes a, uh, a sort of a consultant, resource person to the cooperative learning, uh, to the learning cooperatives, I guess they're called. Uh-huh. And there are, uh, some fairly sophisticated approaches that are used in the high schools with point systems and things like that so that people, uh, gain a competence with respect to the material. Uh-huh. Uh, I think that the combination of, uh, technology and techniques like that together with marketplace forces will bring about a revolution in the way we learn.
Uh, I think there is a direct threat to vested interest in the public school system, uh, that will stand in the way of that progress being a little faster. Uh, school systems are, in too many states, dominated by administrators Uh-huh, yeah. and, uh, both teachers and parents, uh, complain about the, uh, uh, the cost and ineffectiveness that results. So my feeling is that, uh, the, the problem is, is, uh, significant. There are plenty of good people, uh, available to, uh, offer people educational experience, but that we just have to reallocate and reorganize the resources to do it and, uh, I think certain techniques and technologies will influence all of that as well as research, uh, uh, of the sort that people like me do looking at theories of behavior and how they can be used to improve performance, particularly, uh, accelerate the, the pace of learning. Uh-huh. And, my feeling is that, uh, those kinds of things will solve the problem eventually. I don't know what form it will ultimately take. Uh, uh, but, I think that the future is pretty bright because people recognize that we're paying an enormous price for, uh, inferior quality when the people involved really aren't inferior, so it must be the way we're managing the process that, uh, Yeah, I see what year saying, yeah, I totally agree. I, I don't, I don't think it's, it's a matter of, of, uh, talented people to do it, both as, quote, unquote students and as teachers, but clearly what's happened in this country is the school system's been asked to assume a great many responsibilities in the past thirty years that weren't existent, uh,
Oh, yeah. Uh-huh. you must see kids with real significant problems, uh, in some cases. Uh, course, I always see the, I don't know how hard, how hard is it, uh, in the public school system in Iowa City? Is it, is it, uh, deteriorated a lot. Do the people say, are they pretty happy with it, or, Well, I, I haven't taught in Iowa, but I've taught in Utah, and, uh, people there were saying that the way that the schools were going, a lot of people were going away and going to private schools, or else going to home, where they taught their kids at home. Or, you know, anything but the public schools and the ones that did have, you know, the kids, Right. Even in Utah. Yeah well, Well, uh, maybe it was the area I was in, Well, Utah's a place where you wouldn't think that problem would be very severe. but a lot of schools had a lot of transient, uh, families and a lot of families who were on the poorer side and, Yeah,
you, so, you saw a fair number of troubled kids. Yeah, I mean, like you said, how they were, the schools are doing more things for the kids, they thought, than they were thirty years ago. I mean, they were, the school I was teaching at, the, the year I left, they were considering providing hot lunch for or hot breakfast for the kids. Yeah. Yeah. As well as hot lunch and, Well, as far as I'm concerned and it's probably apt that your call's at this time because we just got through watching, uh, REASONABLE DOUBTS. Which had a, you know, capital case in it. Uh-huh. And, uh, I personally have, uh, my own feelings about, uh, capital punishment is I think it should be mandatory upon a third conviction felony. I do, too. Mandatory, I mean, summary execution, on the steps, that day. Uh-huh, well, I think, you know, I'm, I'm in that same, I think if it's, uh, if it's a if it's a convicted, uh, felon on parole uh, and he goes out and, and commits another crime or kills somebody, I, you know, I, I feel the same way, Uh-huh. I don't think, I think that person is, is beyond, uh, rehabilitation and, and he should be taken out
Well, I, I also firmly believe that no one is beyond reclamation. Uh-huh. But, I do know that some people, almost all people usually die before that point. Uh-huh. They just get too old. Uh-huh. Uh, as far as capital punishment, on, on it's own merits, I have the trouble with the way it's applied. I think it should be applied, on a little bit more fair manner. Uh, and I've, I've said this very often and I believe it to be the, a very true axiom, Uh-huh. Right. Kill you. They will kill you. Yeah. And if you're black and you kill a black guy, you know, it's, you know, two hundred hours of community service. Yeah, you don't hear, you don't hear too much about, of those cases. Well, it's a social disease that we have called one upsmanship, you know. Yeah. Yeah.
We're the majority, so we can do whatever the hell we want to do. That's right. And you're the minority and you're stuck with it. Huh. But, uh, you know, we had this in the Vietnam war, you know, we had you know, population of blacks among military people in Vietnam was about eighty percent. Right. But the population of blacks in the military was about twenty-two percent. Huh. The handwriting's on the wall there, isn't it? Yep, it sure is. You know, but that's another issue altogether. Yeah it's, As far as capital punishment, I think that, uh, ten years on death row is cruel and unusual punishment. I think the guy should have ninety days
and if he can't produce evidence not argument, but evidence, Uh-huh. See, the only thing I don't, you know, I don't understand, I guess I, I don't understand our judicial system, uh, as it is right now because I, you know, if somebody has been convicted and has been sentenced to be put to death, how is it that they can appeal and appeal and appeal and get stays of execution? I mean, how, you know, is there, Well, that goes back to when, uh, America was a, a colony of England. Uh-huh. In England, you went to court, you were assumed guilty until proven innocent and once they found you guilty, you know, judge said, he's guilty, kill him. Well, there were some people that, uh, that had a problem with that. Because they found out later on that, jeez, you know, a guy will lie rather than get killed. Uh-huh. Right. And he'll say, you know, hey, that guy did it, you know, not me. Yeah. And, uh, or he'll have somebody lie for him. You know, people lie, it's a strange thing, Yeah. but they do that, and to prevent that kind of misuse of power, they wrote into the Constitution a protection against judicial mishap.

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