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Yeah. And I read the whole damn book while I was home hauling out, you know, like ten-gallon buckets of, of water and waiting for the roof to collapse and, reading about these guys wearing their little free man still suits Uh-huh, you're reading DUNE. and, I think that's probably my favorite of, of any piece of science fiction that I've ever read. That was a movie too, wasn't it? And the movie was awful. Was it? Oh, yes, it was just terrible. Yeah, I'd, I didn't see it but, uh, yeah. It was, it was beyond, uh, Patrick Stewart was in that. I guess the guy that's on the new STAR TREK series was in that thing, uh I don't know, I just remember Sting was in it. Oh, really?
Yeah, and if you were trying to follow any type of, uh, plot, it, it even having read the book, and I've read that book probably three times, watching that movie, I couldn't figure out, what they were talking about, at all. Uh-huh. Couldn't, Yeah. I was real disappointed in that. Well, I'll tell you another good book, do you like scary things? Um, well, some history, books are pretty scary, Have you, but, yeah That's true. Have you read, THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS? No. Somebody who, saw the movie here the other day told me it was the most terrifying thing they'd ever seen, Oh. they didn't sleep all night. Well, see I, I am debating whether or not I want to go see the movie after having read the book.
Yeah. I mean the book is, is chilling. Yeah, I have, Just chilling. no, uh, I don't have the foggiest notion what it's about, so. Then I won't tell you. Okay, yeah But, It's just that if you're ever, ever really want to just be scared out of your wits, Uh-huh, that's the one. That's the one. Yes. Even better than JAWS and some of that? Yes, because the the, the character that is so horrible is another human being.
And you're just drawn into his, his horror, of him that you, begin to kind of like him. Yeah. Oh. I mean, A, a Freddy Kruger type, huh? No, no. This guy's smart and he's suave and he's all the all the, characteristics, Oh the worst kind, yeah, yeah. yeah, all the characteristics ... Okay. All right. Um, I, I understand that it's being proposed as a requirement, for, uh, young people to be, to go into public service. Uh-huh. I think,
Yes, all, all young Americans, they did not specify, you know, exactly what young means. Yeah, yeah. I think that it probably would be a, a good program. I think probably two years is too long. Yeah. I think maybe a year would be, the longest. Yeah. Yeah, you're probably right, two years might be a little too long. Yeah, and there will be a lot of rebellion in that and when you get people who have no desire to be there in the first place, I don't think that they're going to be serving anybody. That's right. That, that would be the problem. Sure would. Yeah. So I think it would be a good thing though, to encourage other people who aren't even aware that they can do such a thing. to get out there and do so. Uh-huh.
Uh-huh. Yeah, or maybe offer them, you know, some sort of an incentive to do it. Uh, you know college credit, you know, something, you know, Yeah. Right. I'm not sure what but, Right. College credit is a good idea because, I'm not sure they need to be, you know, paid, you know, a super do salary of any kind. Right. but that, that kind of takes away from public service. That's right Yeah, they probably couldn't do anything monetary, but I think, giving, giving some kind of college credit, But, just, you know, to receive a letter in the mail, that says, you know, you need to report somewhere by next Monday, you know you need to report somewhere by next Monday, you know. I'm not sure that would be a terrifically good idea. No,
I don't think so either because a lot of people, um, depending on how the public service programs are set up and I'm not that familiar with them to know, I'm not either really. But, you know, if, a, a lot of people flat can't afford to. That's right. You know, That's right. and most kids these days have gotten themselves into, uh, financial situations, where they have to be working all the time. Uh-huh. That's right. Absolutely. They need, young families, whatever, So, it's, it's a really tough question. That's right. they just couldn't, you know, take off to do that. Yeah, Oh, and, if you put them in public service right out of high school, then that, that postpones their college, for a year That's right, uh-huh.
and that would upset a lot of people too, because they just want to get on, Uh-huh, it sure would. It would have to be a lot of, you know, thought given to something like that, I would think. Yeah. I, you know, I think it would be good for a lot of people to get involved in that kind of program, Uh-huh. but I, I think it can't be something that's mandatory. Yeah. Yeah. it has to be something that's voluntary. You know, which is pretty much the way it is now. They might, That's right. I'm not even really sure at this point in time, you know, what, what programs are out there. Yeah, and that's the other thing is that, you know, instead of making it mandatory, they maybe need to publicize it a little bit better. and, uh, you know, go to the schools and do programs, and tell them that we need your help, and, you know, uh, volunteer for such and such a time, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
and you've a choice of where you want to go. Yeah. and, and that way, handling it that way they could probably get some results out of it. Yeah, like maybe if, if there was something they could do in their own, own, in their own town or city, yeah, and not have to pull up roots and, you know, go somewhere half way around the world, or something. Yeah, in their own community, right. Yeah, that's true Most of them probably wouldn't do something like that. Although there are a lot of kids who would do it just to get away from their parents That's right. Yeah, that's, that's true too. That's true too. But, they would have to be supported in some way, and I'm not sure that those programs are available to do that. Yeah, yeah. Me neither.
And, you wonder, you know, what kind of quality job would they do, you know, Just sit around for their year, Right. or would they really, you know, make a contribution of some kind. Right, exactly. Yeah, it's tough. It's tough. Yeah, it is tough. It's, and I don't know who's even proposing it, or, or how they plan on implementing it, if they do. Yeah. Yeah. I, I'm not sure either. But, I think, there would have to be a lot more, you know, information, you know, disseminated, before you say, let's do this, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I think going to the schools would be the easiest for them. Yeah.
You know, it be, it wouldn't take up much, much, it would take up more time than anything but it wouldn't take up a lot of money. Yeah. They wouldn't have to spend money advertising and things like that. Yeah. That's right. You go to school and you have a kind of a captive audience, get them all in the auditorium, Yeah. and you, you give them your speech and maybe a little slide show or something, Uh-huh. and, I think, that they could get some results from that, because there are a lot of people who are volunteer and community minded, Right. but they don't know where to go to, to, to do anything. That's right. Yeah. That's a real waste too. It really is.
Yeah, it is. It really is. I don't really see the emphasis on things like Peace Corps, like we, you know, we saw back, I guess, in the Carter administration, Right. that was, that was a big thing with him. Yeah, yeah. And, I guess even back to Kennedy, as a matter of fact, I guess Kennedy may be the one that actually started the thing, or was, you know, really interested in things like that. Uh-huh. I just don't hear much about it anymore. Like I say, I don't even know what programs are, are even ongoing now, you know. I don't either That's one, Anyway, it's a tough question. Yeah, it is a tough question. Okay, well thanks for your time. I enjoyed talking to you.
Sure, same here. Okay, take care. you too. Bye-bye. Bye. Well, how about you. Do you use P C Oh constantly. Yeah. You and me both. It seems everything I do is computer related. Huh-uh. And if it goes down, then we're stuck all day. Yeah. And so I like the I B M P C, personally. Huh-uh. But that's pretty much everything I've worked with and, uh, I've become so accustomed to it that, uh, it's second nature.
Yeah. What do you use? Well, I have an, I, I B M P S two, model thirty. Yeah. It's kind of, kind of getting too slow for me, but my job, I'm an E D P auditor, so I audit, uh, computer applications both on the personal computer and the mainframe level. Oh, huh-uh. And I use my personal computer constantly, not only do I do P C type things like, uh, using lotus or word processors, Huh-uh. I also use my P C to emulate a mainframe terminal for our I B M mainframe and also to emulate a deck terminal for our deck machine. Huh-uh. Oh, okay. So all I have on my desk is my P C, but I'm, I'm getting, not only our local area network, but I'm getting two separate mainframe machines, also. Oh, okay. So we, um, we use, it's an I B M P S two also. Huh-uh.
And, um, you know, every now and then the file gets so big, that, you know, it moves slower than I'd like Huh-uh. but I, uh, I do mainly graphic work on it. And, uh, a little bit of word processing and then lotus applications to it. Huh-uh. Yeah. And, uh, I don't know, I just, I enjoy working with them. Yeah There's so many capabilities out there, I mean, the things you can do are endless. Yeah. I've become kind of the P C guru in our audit department because it's mostly financial auditors with an accounting back ground, Huh-uh. And there's three of us E D P auditors and one of the three of us has an accounting background and so she's not real proficient in P C's and the other just has, not used P C's that much, Yeah. so I ended up taking on the load of making sure everybody knows what they're doing and I'm the administrator for our local area network.
And I need to keep that going and, So, I, I'm, I couldn't live my life without a P C. Huh-uh. I don't have one at home, We have one at home, but I just don't find the time that I can use it. Yeah. Right now I would rather not have one at home, because I would work at home. Yes. Um, we've got a couple of portable lap top P C's at the office that I end up bringing one of them home a lot, to do work. Huh-uh. If I had a machine already installed at home I would probably work just about every night One of the reasons why I got mine, was before I went on maternity leave, they didn't know how they were going to do without me at work because, I am pretty much the, like you said, the guru, in the office with the different programs and any trouble shooting that there is, Yeah. Huh-uh. and, um, so they didn't know how it was going to work, they knew they were going to have to get a modem so that we could, in the decks machine so that we could, in my home, so that we could make it through this eight weeks or so. Yeah. But, uh, you know, it's, uh, it's almost like we could become too dependent on them.
Yeah. And oh, I, we use a lot of free lance. Huh-uh. And, uh, that's, uh, pretty much takes up a lot of our day so for as producing transparencies and things. Yeah. And, um, it, uh, compared to the way the things have upgraded, Have, uh, really, Right. what's the word I'm looking for, I'm just totally drawing a blank But, uh, the way things have changed over the years with the P C and the different programs is just great. It's remarkable the things we can do now, and compared to, you know, a few years. Just the power, Yeah. I'm, I'm trying to, uh, get an updated machine. Mine, uh, is just putting along And it's not fast enough for a new four eighty six chip, but, uh, I don't know if my boss will spring for it. Yeah. But I'm determined to brake mine so he has to get me another one.
We think about that a lot. Yeah Well, that's what I do. We had a printer, a Hewlett Packard Ready Writer. Huh-uh. And we had about ten people sharing this printer by, it was attached to like a central P C and you had to take your diskette to the P C to print something. Um, now that's awful. So the first thing has when I started working at this bank, is, I said, well, now first of all we need to all be able to share this P C without getting up. So I talked my boss into investing in a, it's not a, uh, a uh, real elaborate local area network, Huh-uh. but we can share the printer and we can, uh, send files to each other, Okay. And we can mail, send mail messages to each other, which is good enough, Oh, okay. it's what we need. Right. And then I talked them into buying a H P Laser Jet.
Oh, yes. And that was a major ordeal to get him to buy it. But once he bought it, he has been so pleased. It's, it's fast, it's quite, oh, it has good copy. Right. The copy that you can with one of those as compared to one of those dot matrix printers. Yeah. I've got a little, little, uh, I B M Pro Printer on my desk, Yeah. but, and I can use either the Pro Printer or I've got my P C configured to where I can use either printer. The one that's on the network or my own. Huh-uh. So if I just need something real quick, and I don't feel like getting up and going and getting what I printed, I can just print it in my office. Um, we're just trying to talk ours into getting a laser printer. Yeah. And, uh, it's just so, the budget restraints and things like that, it's, makes it difficult
and, uh, They have gotten really cheap. Hewlett Packard makes, it's actually a dot matrix printer Huh-uh. but the quality is almost laser quality. Oh, huh-uh. And I think it's called the desk jet and they're, you understand, I think they're about five hundred dollars now. And we, uh, got a quote on some laser printers the other day at six hundred dollars. Oh, really. Yeah, I don't remember what kind they were, but, uh, we do a lot of transparencies. Huh-uh. Sometimes the color would take too long to plot out. Yeah. So they just want black and white, which see we can just run them through the laser printer real quick. Because it will only take a minute to print one of those out and then run a thermal copy of it. Yeah. Yeah. But, uh, it, uh,
So that's all you need for like charts and stuff. You don't need them in four colors. No, huh-uh. If it was a customer presentation then that would be different. Yeah. We would want to razzle-dazzle a bit. But, uh, it's, uh, yeah. We have one in the office and if we want, well in our area, if we want to use it, we have to, you know, like you said, you had to change it, put it on a disc, And carry it over to there, and see if they're not using the printer, You use the system. Right Yeah. And, uh, wait for an opportunity to use it. Yeah, we you'd have to just sit and wait while someone else was using the printer. Huh-uh. Until they got off the machine. I know,
I know, I understand. That was, I was amazed when I came to work, I worked at the, uh, well, it used to be the largest bank in San Antonio until N C N B came up and bought the rival and now N C N B. And now N C N B's got a little larger market share, Huh-uh. but it's the only, uh, well, it's part of the bank holding company and that bank holding company of the ten largest banking holding companies in Texas. It's the only one that's still alive. Oh, huh-uh. Any way, I work in a big prestigious place. Right. And I couldn't believe when I walked in the door on my first day and here's the audit department of this, this huge holding company, sharing a H P Rugged Writer I was going oh, wait a minute Come on guys, this is crummy. So how are you supposed to expect to stay number one when you're behind the times in technology. Yeah,
yeah. We're pushing real hard though. We're, we're trying, well, see, the entire bank is not like that. We, the, the bank philosophy is one of innovation and, Lead the market. Huh-uh. It's just the audit department happened to be just a little behind the times because the, uh, the senior vice president, over audits, is cheap. Huh-uh. And it's real hard to pry money out of him to, to do these things, but I was, I was able to convince him that it would be cost effective and that our board presentations would be much better and, Right. Um. We find it hard to believe sometimes, or hard to understand when, uh, we work for a computer company, and, uh, how are we supposed to present the imagine that we're supposed to present with equipment that's outdated, That's obsolete Yeah. and the guys that, some of the guys that run this place are very tight and it's like, Well, why do we need this, can't you do that with, you know, what we have, and when we try and then they complain about, this doesn't look good.
Yeah. Unfortunately, the, the, uh, computer equipment and, and related peripherals are changing and improving so rapidly, like for instance, we bought a have ... Okay. Okay, that made a nice ugly sound. So, Your name is Lynn? Linda. Linda. Uh-huh. So, sounds like you like to read. Yeah, I read quite a bit, probably don't read as much as I would like to. I don't read as much as I would like to either. I'm, I'm a single mom, but I have always loved reading. Uh-huh. What do you like to read? Um, well um, I'm a, I'm a counselor, a therapist by trade,
so most of my books are, um, I guess what you'd call self improvement type of books. That what I've been reading lately a lot of. Um, my interests switch around dramatically. I used to read just, mainly fiction, and now I, like a said, I've read a lot of self, self help books. Uh-huh. What kind of things have you read? Oh, I read all kinds of things for, um, helping people survive a divorce. Uh-huh. Uh, THE ROAD LESS TRAVELLED was probably one of my favorites. Have you read that? Uh, I haven't gotten through it yet. You haven't? No. Okay, what would you recommend? Um, as far as dealing with divorce? Oh, I'm kind of getting that one past me, but a good self help book. Good self help. Yeah.
Well, um probably the best one that I, I know of and I work with all the time is called SEARCH FOR SIGNIFICANCE by Robert McGee Um, that sounds good. Uh-huh. and it's one that we use in our work. It's probably one you'd find in like a Christian book store. I don't know what the chains are down there. Maybe in the mall family book store, something like that. Uh-huh. I'm writing it down. That does that's sound really good. Um, what kind of counseling do you do, or should we stay on the topic of books? Um, probably should stay on the topic, but that has a little bit to do with some of the things that I read I'm a therapist for Rossa. It's a Christian treatment organization Oh. and because of that I see, uh, work with adolescents specifically, so I see a lot of kids with, with various problems. Right now some of the things I'm working with are kids that are dealing with sexual abuse, so a lot of the books I've been reading have to do with helping them get through those issues.
Oh, I would imagine helping them feel good about themselves they're at a bad stage anyway, and then to have to deal with sexual abuse would be terrible, as a teen. Uh-huh. That's, uh, that must be a wonderful feeling to be in that profession and be able to make a contribution like that. Well, sometimes it's rewarding, and, and sometimes it's a struggle. Oh, I'm sure, I'm sure. Uh, what is, is that just the only type of reading you've been doing, or do you, have you read any good novels lately? Um, I guess I've got so many books like that that I need to read it's, it's hard for me to do a lot of, uh, reading, yeah, reading just for enjoyment. just joy reading. Yeah. I hear you there, that's for sure. Um, In fact, I guess, the last book I've read,
my oldest daughter had to read LOST HORIZONS for her English class, Uh-huh. And I just realized I had never read it growing up. So, I just finished reading that for enjoyment. Um, that's neat. And it it was good. Um, she, she's not, didn't enjoy it much, so I didn't get much satisfaction trying to discuss it with her. But I thought it was real interesting. Yeah, I've always wanted to go back and read some of my literature texts from college um, because I enjoyed some of those stories so much, Uh-huh. but I never seem to have the time to do that kind of reading. I know. Yeah. Um, I trying to think of some of my other favorite books, but, I, I keep lists, I must have a list of, oh, two hundred, three hundred books that I want to read. Uh-huh. Just like, I want to read that and I write it down.
Yeah, I've got a stack next to my bed So do I. I tend to get a little bit of ways in a book and then I, I get distracted, and, or have to start on another one, it's pretty tough to keep up with. I was trying to think of, I, I've got a copy of THE ROAD LESS TRAVELLED but I was trying to think, there's another Scott book that I've got that I had read. Uh, He, he also wrote PEOPLE OF THE LIE. Yeah, that's the one I was thinking of. Yeah. I, I bought that one, and I didn't get into, involved in that one as well. There's another one he wrote that even sounds better, and it's kind of the whole concept of global peace, you know, like, and communities building communities. Uh-huh. Someone just recently said something really neat about that. Uh, I got involved in, uh, Beginning Experience Weekends,
and, uh, it was of the people from there that said that. His latest book, and I can't recall the name of it, is just excellent, and his whole idea is, we can build a better world if people get involved in good community building projects. And he did, uh, mention Beginning Experience Weekends as one of the, you know, one of the places. Uh. So, I've um, That's interesting. Yeah, it, it really was. A real fun bunch of books that I read, uh, the beginning of last year were, um, the author of JONATHAN, JONATHAN LIVINGSTON SEAGULL Uh-huh. I can't think of his name. Is it ? Pardon me ? uh, no, uh, oh, it'll, it'll come to me, but he wrote, he wrote the ILLUSION, and A BRIDGE OVER A BRIDGE TO FOREVER. Those are mind expanding books Um.
His concepts are so different than what I would have ever dreamed of. I can't think of what his name is right, right off the bat, though. But, uh, they, they were fun. They were real just books for fun. Uh-huh Have you been involved on the Switchboard long? Um, not very long. I really just started. Uh-huh. How did you get involved? My wife has been working for T I. Oh, I see. I'm a former T I-er. I just recently quit. And so, uh, I got myself involved in a sales job, and right now, my list of books to be read have to do with, uh, the art of selling. Oh, uh-huh. So. It's just, I was just thinking, at, at Rossa they tend to come out with a new book every couple of weeks just to help us deal with all the things that we have to deal with.
Uh-huh. So, I keep getting stacks of books I need to read, and, I don't know when I'm going to get to them all. Never, never there's never going to be enough hours in the day. I don't think so. Even if you took speed reading. Huh. Yeah, I don't think so. So, well, I'm trying to think of what other kind. Do you like to read mysteries. Yeah, a little bit. Do you like Ken ? Um. Trying to think. He writes, uh, spy novels, THE EYE OF THE NEEDLE Uh-huh. and, uh, I've, I've really, I really have found his books enjoyable I like that kind of stuff.
I think the last novel I read I read, I guess, in conjunction with my wife over vacation last year. It was a, um, last name's , it's called PIERCING, no, it's called THIS PRESENT DARKNESS. Um. It's, uh, kind of unusual book. It's a lot about spiritual warfare and some things like that. Oh that sounds interesting. like phone knocking against It sounds really good. Hey, you should make yourself a promise that you'll, you'll read one novel in the next six months, just for you. Uh-huh. You know, it's, it's so easy to get caught up on reading just for your work, or, you know, self improvement, and you kind of forget the fun of reading Yeah, that's true. Yeah, very easily. So Well, I guess we've covered the topic pretty thoroughly. I think so, too. And I thank you for calling.
Yeah, nice talking to you, Linda. And, uh, I'll have to check out that book you, told me about. Okay, great. Okay, Hope you like you it. Thank you. Uh-huh. You take care. You, too. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Okay, Deanna, uh, on capital punishment in our state, they give the death penalty for shooting of a policeman, Uh-huh. and I believe also in shooting of, uh, rape, I mean killing a rape victim. I mean someone in the process of rape, Uh-huh. and I don't know what I don't really remember what else. Uh-huh.
But. How do what do you think about it. I think it's justified. Yeah, yeah. Very much so. I agree, I, I, agree, you know, I, I think it should be in other cases other than just shooting a policeman Yeah, oh, I do too, I do too. I mean, I think they're doing their duty, but I think if they're going to come out and kill somebody else then they deserve it. They ought to get it for killing a civilian just as easily as a policeman. That's right, I agree. Yeah. I agree. Uh, I heard something on the news the other night they were talking about, uh, oh, I know what it was,
it was in our, in our little local paper, our little Lewisville paper that comes out twice a week on the front page every week, uh, there's a little thing at the bottom it's like a call in survey that says, you know, do you think so and so, and then you call this number and you press like one for yes and two for no. Right, uh-huh. And one of the things, the questions the other day, this last paper, and I haven't seen the results of it, I'm anxious to, was do you think that, um, capital punishment ought to apply to drug dealers. Which I thought was a real interesting question Oh I think, Right, right, did you see SIXTY MINUTES tonight, by any chance? No, I didn't, huh-uh. Well, they were showing a segment on a man in Philadelphia that's going after the drug dealers. He's just a civilian, he's a black man, Uh-huh. and he just got fed up with it.
Uh-huh And he said he's had his house broken into and windows smashed and his car stolen three times and everything, trying to keep him quiet, Uh-huh but he's organizing people, and they're going out and marching on the corners and taking back their territory You know, I think that's what it's going to take, though. I think so, I think, I really do. Oh, yeah, it's going to take, uh, you know, the police, I think, I don't think can do it, can do it alone, you know. That's right, I think you're right. It's going to take, uh, it's going to take all of us getting together, I'm sorry, I'm trying to, my kid is asking for a kiss and a hug so he can go to bed It's going to take all of us, you know getting together and just saying, we are not going to take it any more. Right. We won't allow this in our neighborhood.
That's right, that's right. And it said they're going to other neighborhoods from there, Uh-huh. and then quite often they'll get shot, because they're horning in on somebody else's territory. Uh. That's right, that's right, uh. I think they said forty-one had been shot out of one church in the last year. Oh my gosh. The only thing about the death penalty and, and I know that, that they try to be careful and they try to be sure but these people are on death row for like twenty years, you know. Right, I know it. you know if, if, you know I, I think to be, you know being convicted is one thing, you know, and that's, and that's great if they're if they're sentenced to death, to me you could not sentence them to death unless, the case was for sure.
I mean it Well it goes all through the it goes all through the state supreme court system before they're, Right, right, by the time it gets there and they've been convicted and then they've been sentenced to death, they're sure. I mean there's no doubt, I mean, I, Uh-huh, then it should happen, yeah. there can be no shadow of a doubt in my mind, there has to be no shadow of a doubt to get that penalty. That's right. So once, they've gotten the penalty and there is no doubt, do it, you know, just, Right. I I guess, I mean that may sound, that sounds cold,
but gosh, you know, we're keeping, you know we're, we're keeping these men in prison for fifteen or twenty years on death row, and not doing anything with them, Uh-huh, that's right. and it's costing us a heck of a lot of money and that's terrible to look at it that way, but. Yeah it is, I know but that, that's the way it is if the crime was bad enough that they were sentenced to death, then do it, you know, uh. We had one in Virginia that was sentenced to death and the execution was to have taken place a few weeks ago, I don't know if there was anything in your paper about it. I didn't notice it, huh-uh. And there was a lot of protest, even Robert Redford, you know, was protesting this guy's execution. Gosh, yeah.
So the governor backed down and I was so mad. Oh, man. The crime was horrible, his crime was just horrible Yeah, and those kind of people, I'm sorry, you don't reform them, you know, No, I don't think, I really you don't. Huh-uh. If they're the kind of people that commit these excuse me, grotesque crimes and have done it over and over and over again, you don't reform those kind of people. Huh-uh, and being under the influence of drugs is no excuse to me. No, no, and I don't know, the same thing goes with some of these insanity pleas, you know. Right, yeah.
Well, if you're insane enough that you can go cut twelve people up into little bitty pieces and bury them in your back yard, then are can, can you be helped, you know, I have, I have my doubts, you know. That's right, yeah, yeah, I do too. I, you know, I don't know, I think there's a point, some of these plea bargains and all this kind of stuff that they do, it's just, it just gets out of hand, Right. and I understand that, you know, that, you know, my husband and I, Wasn't it Lewisburg that had a lot of, uh, bad things happening just in the last couple of weeks, or was it not. No. No. No, huh-uh. it was, I think it was the south east area, from Dallas. Oh, really.
My daughter, my daughter lives down in Rowlett Yeah. and she was telling me about it. Oh really. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I can't remember what the town was, some little area. We've had several here lately and, it, there were several of them in North Dallas and then it started kind of happening a couple of places in South Dallas and that's maybe what you were talking about. Men breaking in, uh, to houses and taking, or a man, they, they think it's the same person, taking, uh, little girls right straight out of their beds at night. And, you know, breaking in, obviously watching them in the house, because they're breaking into the right window, you know, the little girl's bedroom. And taking them out, putting them in a car and driving them out and taking them out and molesting them and then bringing them back and throwing them back in their own front yards. Oh gosh. And that's the last they Yeah. Oh, gee. Is that right. Yes,
that is happened, I hadn't heard about that. I think there's been, I think there's been like six or seven of them, over the last like probably eight or nine months. Gosh. They don't kill them? They just They don't kill them, no. Gosh. They've and they're all like, um, like anywhere from nine to twelve years old, I think is what they've been. Gosh. And he's taken them and, and raped them and then brought them right back and just kind of thrown them out of the car in their front yard. Boy that's scary, isn't it. Oh, can you imagine, because it, it happens in the middle of the night, so the parent, you know, these parents didn't know this, the, the kid was gone until the kid is knocking on the door screaming, let me in. Yeah. Oh, boy. You know, can you imagine. Yeah,
you wouldn't even dare put these signs in the little emblems in the window saying child in this room, in case of fire, you know. Have you seen those? I, you know, I've got one of those in Brian's room. Yeah. I never even thought about that. God, maybe I'll take it out. Yeah I hadn't even thought about it That's terrible. Yeah, it is. Well it's really bad that you have to be, you know, we, we were over at a neighbor's tonight and, my little boy is is just a little over two and their little boy is like five, you know, so there's a big difference, Uh-huh. and they were playing in the back yard and we were getting ready to leave and I went out in the back yard to get Brian
and the boys were gone and the back fence was open. Oh, gosh, oh gosh. , you know. Yeah. And she didn't act like it bothered her at all, oh, this happens all the time. And we walked through the fence out, the alleys, come to the back of the house, you know. Uh-huh, yeah. And and I looked down both directions of the alley and I saw neither one of them and, uh. And she was like oh God, he does this all the time, you know, where are you you know, screaming, J D Oh. Oh boy And you know, my heart was in my throat, you know, And he's five? Shoo, I guess so. and, uh, he, Brian was two houses down. You know,
Gee. and he, you know, I don't know, I know. Parents around here just let their kids run everywhere, and I just can't do that. Yeah, there was a little girl picked up in Rowlett from, uh, from her front yard and her dad was working in the back yard, and had just left her few minutes in the front yard and somebody apparently drove up and took her and they never saw her again Oh, man, this is too scary, that is just too scary. Yeah. You know, I let Brian play here in the back yard and we've got, there's two gates that go into the back yard and we've got one of those big eight foot privacy fences. Right, uh-huh. And one of the gates has a padlock on it and then the other gate just has one of those slide bar things,
but it's on the inside, Uh-huh. it's, you know, you'd have to like come over, they'd have to come over the fence, they could not open a gate, you know. Uh-huh. And I still feel a little uneasy about him playing back there. Right, yeah. You know, I mean, if I don't hear him playing, I mean, I, I get up and come out and look out the window real often, you know, so. And watch, yeah, yeah I don't blame you. It's really scary that you have to be that scared about your kids but, I mean you do, Uh-huh. better safe than sorry. And if they find who's doing that to those little girls, as far as I'm concerned he could, fry
He could fry. Yes, to put it very bluntly, he could fry, Yeah. yes, yes. Because sometimes there are crimes worse than murder. Right. You know, Yeah. I, and I believe that, and this is one of them. Yeah. Because these little girls will never be the same. Huh-uh, that's terrible. Never be the same, so, I don't know, it's it's really scary and I don't know what to, I don't know what needs to be done, you know
it seems like there's no room in jails to put them in jail and when they do put them in there, you know, I'm taking a business law class at night and the guy that teaches it is a practicing criminal attorney and, so he comes in and tell us all these bizarre cases, you know Oh, gosh. and he said you can pretty much, you know if you ever get on a jury, you know, you're not told this, but if you ever get on a jury you can pretty much guess, whatever you sentence them to, they're going to serve about a quarter. It's going to be reduced, right, uh-huh. They'll serve, they'll serve a quarter of it, Yeah. so, if you want them to stay in prison for fifteen years, don't sentence them to fifteen years, sentence them to a hundred. Yeah. You know, because then they'll serve fifteen or twenty, so. Which is really, Yeah. I don't know, It's just not, it just doesn't seem right. No,
it doesn't, it doesn't. They just get out, you know, there was a thing on, Well what are we going to do about it? How, I mean how can it be changed. Unless the legislature will do something I don't know. and they don't seem to, That's the thing, we're just going to have to adopt a completely different attitude, Uh-huh. and we're going to have to say, if you commit this crime and if we're sure you commit this crime, you are going to be sentenced to death period, period, Yeah. and do it, you know. Yeah. And if you commit this crime, you will be in prison for the rest of your life. Right. We're not going to say we're going to put you there for the rest of your life and let you out in fifteen years, we're really going to do it, you know. It's just the system has just, and I understand they're doing it because the prisons are full,
but somewhere we've got to come up with some money to build, to build more, you know, and keep these people in them, you know. Right, I think so. Yeah, I think it would be worth it everybody Well, I was watching a show about this the other night and, you know, they were like in a, I think it was on FORTY-EIGHT HOURS. All right. Um, there was a crime here in McKinney, uh, a rather heinous murder. Uh-huh. There was no um, remorse shown by, uh, at least one of the perpetrators. Uh-huh. And yet, for whatever reason, um, his crime was not considered a capital crime. Uh-huh. An, and quite honestly I, I feel very strongly that the, man the has no redeeming social values and if, if and when he comes, gets free again, he will have no compunction but to complete that, that same kind of lifestyle, I mean continue that same kind of lifestyle, and perhaps do the same thing again. Uh-huh. So, it really bothers me that there's not a way of getting him out of the way forever. Really, I think that,
I don't know, I I don't think our prison system isn't set up, where we, um, rehabilitate, or, you know, restore anybody. I think it'll only make them worse, but, I, I believe that God can come in and change a person's heart and genuinely change it, but, that doesn't negate that you do reap what you sow. And if you do kill a person and it is, you know, you're found to be guilty, I believe God establishes the authority of our court system and I believe that, you know, that I do believe that capital punishment is, uh, alternative. Even, you know, God can still change your heart but that doesn't mean, like the alcoholic that charges up all the bills on the credit card, or the shopaholic, you know you get your life right with God but you still have to pay your Visa bill. That's, that's right You still have to, you know, so, but God sent us his grace and they give pardons but I believe if it's a genuine conversion, there's a genuine, and those prison people know, they know a genuine turnaround in a person's character, they see that. But, yeah.
And, I, I worked in a prison in Fort Worth. Did you? Yeah, I have a degree in social work. You see it, you know the ones that have a genuine character change. Uh-huh. It is obvious. And they know that. They're, they're not going to pardon someone from the governor, you know what I'm saying, they're not going to go, without going through every channel of authority in the prison. So I feel like you know, that's is, there is occasions where there are, they do spare lives and, you know, I leave that with the governor, who, of course, is going to go through every authority because they want to be be reelected, so Yes but, my concern is, first of all that not all, all persons who I think, should be receiving capital, uh, whatever, capital, uh, uh, uh, hum, punishment, Uh-huh. Punishment. thank you, I'm sorry, I just got home from work and I'm just kind of spaced out a little bit.
Yeah, that's okay. Uh, that, not all of them are being convicted of it, that, that, the, the, they're not even being charged with that I agree with you that, that, a person's heart can be changed, Uh-huh. but the same God that can work that miracle also established the laws that said, um, for certain kinds of sin, certain kinds of, of, uh, breaking of the law, there would be a capital punishment. Uh-huh. Right then it was, it was, uh, almost immediate. Uh-huh. As soon as, as the trial was over, then it was stoning. Right, but, in, in the Old Testament, We don't have a speedy trial, we don't have speedy, um, punishment and so it kind of loses its meaning, if you sit on death row for months and years and so forth Uh-huh, yeah. Right, we don't, well, yeah
we definitely have lost the Judeo-Christian ethic of the judicial system for sure, but the the base is still there, the foundation is still there, though, of the system, but, I know what you're saying, uh, but also, they're under a law, because we haven't been removed from the law we've just been taken out from under, under a law. Because under the law if your child back talks you, he would be stoned. That's correct. He, under the law he would be stoned, so we've been removed from the law, of from being under the law but we're still, you know, we're still accountable to it. We don't need to back talk, but, you know, it's like God changes your heart to not do that. He changes your heart not to look upon a woman in lust. Because in the Old Testament, they could look all they wanted, just couldn't do it. But in the new, he's looking at your heart and so, I guess that's what, what I mean by their character changes and, you know, what I mean, it's like looking beyond what they're doing and looking at a heart and seeing what is the heart, what's the character showing me here. And, those, and then any of, if I don't think see, if I don't believe that there's not a character change and the authorities agree, that this person needs to be excused, I believe for murder, uh, rape, I even believe incest, things that will permanently damage, uh, the character of the child. Uh-huh. I believe crimes against children should be punished by, by death. I believe, sexual crimes, unless there's a true change of character.
I tend to agree on that, very strongly. And that's where we just have to, to trust the authorities. And they're not going to excuse people, if it was, was run like that, I don't, there would probably be very few exceptions to that and if it was done quickly and done swiftly and, but it's not, because the judicial system has rejected, they've rejected the answer to all these problems they have, pretty much. Plus the, all the judicial system is overloaded with, all kinds of, um, problems, and crimes and so forth and then all of the, um, civil things that clog the courts, Right. Uh-huh. and having sat on both, uh, uh, criminal and a civil, uh, jury, some of what goes through our courts is a total waste of time. Uh-huh. Yeah. Because we're suit happy. Yeah. But, but back to the, to the capital situation, sounds like you and I have a lot of, of, of, uh, common ground at least as, as far as, as capital punishment is concerned. Yeah. I would like to see some, some kind of reform, or some kind of streamlining so that, if a person is, um, convicted, and sentenced to, to death, that that automatic appeal which goes in could be more quickly dealt with. Uh-huh Uh-huh,
yeah. And, and go ahead and get the punishment phase out of the way, because it doesn't do the criminal or the victim's family, any of us, the taxpayer any good to have him sitting around for months and years. Yeah. Anybody, yeah. Yeah. An, an, him could be a her. Right. But. I know in Jamaica, uh, it think it's Jamaica, I think it's Jamaica, I know that they have, you know, crimes punishable by death, and I'm sure they hit a few every now and then, and I wouldn't want to be one of them, that are not guilty. But, I know that they have like, uh, their, crime rate, it's not Jamaica, I don't think, I can't remember which, it's, uh, one of the Caribbean Islands and, and they, Singapore, is it like that? My husband's going Singapore.
And they don't have a lot of the crime because there is a law and the law is enforced. And that's what, when you have lawlessness, I mean the law's not being enforced and all that does is lawlessness. We were, we went on a mission trip to Manhattan and to the Bronx and stuff, two years ago, and all these kids were up on there getting arrested for crack and everyone was out, uh, we were across from that big bus station, I forget what you call it, but anyway, and everyone, they had like fifteen people lined up on the fence and within two hours, there were fifteen boys sitting there doing the same thing. Um. And, you'd see the same kid who were back out there in two days. That's sad. Because, there's no, the answer is not being given to them, in the court system and I think initially, when our country was set up, it was set up with God and it was really an integral part, and no, you can't, you can't force people,
but I think people are hurting and they're out doing crack sitting on the street. They were the kind of people that, I think mostly, we would want to receive it. If it was presented to see. I don't know, I guess, I'm kind of frustrated that, you know, we've gotten away from the Christian basis that our court system was founded upon. I mean, it reeks of the BIBLE, just, the whole thing, the whole system. And, so I feel like if that was presented more openly, and not just relying upon, and para-church ministry to come in and do it, that, that the system itself, you know, you know what I mean. Yeah. I feel like that might be better, if it was run on a more scriptural basis, which would include, you know, you know, and expediting the penalties and just getting it over with. However, certain uh, very liberal minded groups who do not, um, subscribe to the same ethical system that you and I do, such as the, uh, civil liberties unions and so forth, will lobby against that and hold that out as long as they have breath. Which is most unfortunate because we all lose out, when people go so far out to the extreme, on either side. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Because too, too often, there can be extremism that, that hurts from, from any direction, regardless of whatever you're arguing or concerned about. Yeah. Right.
Yeah, I know, you're right, they would lobby that and, and I see that, and that's why, you know, I'm like, okay, what's my role in this thing, you know, what's my part, Yeah. because I don't think the system is going to get fixed. I think it's crippled ... Okay. Do you go camping very much? No, I've haven't gone camping in years. But it's is something that I've done in the past. How about you? Uh, we try to go once, maybe twice a summer. Uh, we, uh, just, you know, for like a short weekend or something. That's, that's pretty average to me We don't go for the long, you know, week long thing. Uh-huh. But we usually go to, uh, a lake area, you know, where the campsites, are and do that. Uh, Right.
Do you tent camp or do you have a camper? Oh no, no, no a tent. That's what I you know, that's how I camp too. That's how I define camping Me too You're really roughing it. The rest, the rest of that is really not the same. Yeah. As a matter of fact, my, my, you know, the majority of the amount of camping I've done has been really roughing it. Um, as a little girl I'd go with my dad and my uncle and my brother, and we went to the Boundary Waters area in Minnesota. So, that's, that's really wild. Oh. Yeah. Are you here in local Texas,
I mean? Yes, I'm in Austin, where are you? I'm in Garland. Oh. Right outside of Dallas. Uh-huh. So we, um, we have a five year old, and we started taking her, she was pretty young when we started, uh, camping with her. Oh, the kids love it. I know. I mean, they just love it. It's wonderful for them to be outside. I know, and then they, and they, you know, there's no T V, and they don't have all these modern toys, and they have to use sticks and rocks and stuff like, that to play with. Exactly.
Yes. And I like that. It's pretty fun. Well, how it, it's really is a, is a good, good family thing, to do. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. And, We, we try to, uh, go with another couple that have children also. Uh-huh. And, uh, that makes it a lot more enjoyable. Plus, you know, we don't have to go out and buy all the equipment and stuff, you know, we kind of split it up. Uh, Good planning Yeah Because it gets, it really does get expensive if you, if you don't want to rough it all the way. Exactly. You know, even the sleeping bags, those are running, you know, a good thirty dollars a pop, and, and so we've built that up.
You're right. But, Do you have a boat? No. No? Want one bad. Do you? Oh, well, actually, I would, you know what I would love? I would absolutely love a sail boat. Oh. That doesn't go along with camping, but, now that, that, that's what I would like, to have. Yes Yeah, I would too. Yeah. Would too. We usually, uh, let's see, we try to go to a lake.
My husband and this, uh, other couple that we go with, her husband, um, kind of likes, um, is it scuba dive? And, so we'll go to a lake and, uh, where they can go do that. Uh-huh. We're close enough so they can do that, and the girls can play on the beach area And I would play on the beach area too. Yeah. That's what I would do. Yeah Yeah. That's fun. I'm just sitting here listening to your accent and thinking what a good time the computer is going to have with that. Really? Am I pretty Texan? You're pretty Texan. Yes. But you know, you know what's really funny? Um, I've had people tell me that I have a Texas accent, and, and I mean, there is just no way I've not picked one up. No,
you don't, you don't sound like it to me. I've only lived here about six years. Oh, have you? So, if I have one, it must be very, very slight. Yeah. The Yankees can hear it. Yes. Oh, that's true, that's true. I, see I don't think I do, but, uh, but a lot of people do say I sound like, I guess, I have, I guess more of a twang, to my voice almost a Uh-huh. Are you a, a native Texan? I sure am. Oh. I've lived here all my life. Well, good for you. But, any way, uh, Have you ever been to Austin?
Yes, yes we went last summer, actually. This, how was, I'm wondering, I'm really not that not familiar. I know there are some good places to go camping along the, uh, the lakes. Or is there? Okay, well, we didn't go camping, we just, uh, we did like, uh, we drove down to Houston to visit friends, and, we went to Galveston and, uh, to San Antonio and then up to Austin. And, and kind of, uh, you know, doing the sight seeing type stuff. Uh-huh. So we didn't go camping. That would be fun though to go. That's one thing my husband wanted to do, was, on this summer's vacation was to go and camp wherever we went. And I said, Well, I'd love that but, It takes a lot more planning. It does,
and, and ever once, you know, on my summer vacation, you know, my week-long vacation, I, want to be a little bit pampered, you know, by a, hotel and a waiter Uh-huh. Right. Exactly, exactly, yeah. So, we're hoping to do like a three day weekend. There's, um, a thing called Pfeiffer Rim. I don't know if you have ever heard of it? No, I haven't. It's, uh, there's a town called Glenrose. I think it's around two hours from here. And, uh, it's, it has like dinosaur tracks, and stuff like that Oh, that sounds, That sounds great. and it's got one of those wildlife parks. Yeah. I think that'll be fun. So we're going to try to do that like on a three day weekend, go there and,
Have you ever camped out of state? No, I haven't. You know, where you should try, sometime is Colorado. Where at? It is beautiful. Is it? Absolutely beautiful. I've just been up there skiing, and, well, we've driven through, and, you know, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. but, but not, you know, camping or anything. But I would love to camp, in the mountains. Yes. Estes State Park is fantastic. That's what my girlfriend says. Yes, she loves that place.
See, you need to go there. She loves that. She says that where we need to go sometime. It is. It's, you know, it's, it's high canyon and, uh, and there's this little mountain lakes and it's very peaceful. Oh. And, um, in, in the early fall time, Uh-huh. um, I can't remember what type of trees they are, but they, all the leaves turn yellow, Oh. and it's just brilliant. And, I love that. Yes, you would. You'd like it very much. That's neat. That's neat.
I know you would. I used to go camping all the time as a, a Girl Scout. I was too All the time. I got real used to it then. Yeah. I felt like we roughed it then Uh, well we did, you know, we really did. I mean, I just don't understand these people that think taking an R V, and parking it and sitting inside and watching T V, and having your microwave Right. Yes. Exactly. It's not camping. I mean, we had to make the fires and dig latrines and everything. Right, right. I mean that is it You have to get poison ivy and all that good stuff, to really be camping Right. Oh.
Yeah. Well do you, you, you say you haven't been in years? No, I haven't. I'm, um, I'm a struggling single mom. Oh, gosh, bless your heart. and, uh, thank you. Um, it's, you know, time is precious, money's precious. Yes. Um, and it, it, I think I haven't been able to do it, and, you know, what, that was one of the things I really thought I'd like to do with my children, you know, again. Uh-huh, uh-huh. And I'm a little bit fearful of trying that just women. I don't blame you. You know?
I don't blame you at all. I hope, Years ago it would have been fine but, Yes, I, I really now, I, I have gone on one little vacation, just the girls and I. We drove down to Port Aransas, and rented a little efficiency, you know, and, and had a marvelous like two nights, Oh. Yeah. Yeah. and that was great. And even at that, it, it was like the first time that I ventured, you know, out of the city by myself. Uh-huh. And, and, you know, I, I stayed in a nice place. But it's still, it's real different not to have another adult with you. Yes. I You know. I can imagine.
I'm just a chicken. I know lots of women would do it all the time. No I don't blame you, not nowadays. I haven't quite adjusted, you know? Yeah. Now are you with T I down there? Well, I, I was with T I until January. I, uh, I left T I in January hoping to strike out and find a job where I could make some money. Good. So, well it's, It was a good plan but I haven't yet Have you? Okay. I got into sales, and, I'm selling, uh, telephone systems. Oh. Oh, that's neat. And it's, it's fun and it's interesting, but it's also, um, pretty challenging,
and I haven't, I haven't started making money yet. Um. It's hard isn't it? So, yeah, it's, it's hard Now, how old are your girls? Eleven and fourteen. Oh, goodness. Yeah. So I'm old No, you're not old Who is You're not old at all. Well, excuse me just second. Sure. speaks to Honey, I'll be yeah, go ahead. voice, There's someone at the door. Oh, okay. Do you need to go?
Well, um, I'm going to listen. We always check and see if we should answer the door, at night. Yeah. That's very smart. Yeah so, well, I've enjoyed this. Yeah, me too. And, uh, And good luck. How many have you made so far, calls? I, I haven't made any. I've been just a recipient Oh, have you? They're all, this is only about my second one I've ever made. I've been a recipient on the others. How many have you had so far, do you know? I think I've had about four. Four,
that's good. yeah. Very good. That's four each. Well, you know, when I had to this is my, my Gemini nature, you know, it's like what are you interested in, Yes. and it's like virtually anything. I'll talk about anything to anybody Yeah. I don't, yeah, you bet, you bet. And it's, it's been real interesting, the different personalities That I run across. I know. Yes, I always try to find out where they're from, you know, Exactly.
cause, because it is neat. Uh-huh. It really is. Uh-huh. Well then, I guess I'll let you go so you can go get the door and, Well, thank you. And, um, I enjoyed talking with you. You, me too. You have a good time camping, when you go next time, think of me Thanks. Okay. Thank you. All right. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Go ahead. Oh, um, uh, I usually don't get to hear any of the current events probably until about the ten o'clock news. Uh-huh.
Uh, you know, being, uh, I mean, by the time you get off work, go by and pick up the, uh, baby from the baby sitter, it's, you know, after six and by the time everything is settled in, it's ten o'clock before I can catch up on anything. Yeah, I guess that's the way I am too. I, sometimes I hear some things on, on the radio. Uh-huh, oh yeah. I only get the newspaper on the weekends so Oh, uh-huh. Oh, I don't even have, time to read the newspaper except in passing, Uh-huh. you know, I'll look over my husband's shoulder and see what's going on. I, I guess occasionally I'll hear someone at work say something though. But, uh, Yeah. We have, uh, a news thing on the computer that, uh, that I'll, I'll try to look at every day. Uh-huh.
And, uh, it, it's pretty much headline news. Yeah. Which isn't, you know, pretty much what we look for anyway. Uh-huh. But, uh. I, do you think that the quality of the, uh, the, you know, the news events that you get are, what do you think about it? Well I, I guess it's pretty good. And, and like the Dallas area, Uh-huh. and I, I guess when you're in a big metropolitan area like this, there's, I guess, a lot of pressure in that business to, borderline at that. Yeah. Well, you know, there's a lot of competition in the media. Uh-huh. And sometimes I think it too much trying to figure out who's going to get the best headlines. And that they'll run a topic into the ground. Yeah. And, uh. You know, they try to play public's opinion. Which I think is awful, because it usually works. Uh-huh, true. I'll bet that was the case of the, the war in the Middle East.
Yes, uh-huh. That, uh, lots of new, uh, newsmen were created during that so, it will be interesting to see what happens. Uh-huh, true. Trying to think what else is, is current. Right. Uh, uh, Well, um, I don't know what to say Uh, that's a bad one, they, uh, looks like we're going to have an income tax in Texas, Yeah, I hate to see that, but it's, uh, that, you know, if what it's going to take, well, you know, we can deduct that from our income tax, our federal income tax. Uh-huh. But, uh, you know, but we need good schools.
Uh, we're more involved in that now. And, I, I, I, I think it's better for everybody if we had better schools. Yeah, that's true. So, I would think they could find a better way to fund it though, but they haven't for, No. You know, I wish they could have gotten a lottery. Well, they're struggling with it. Yeah. I think, you know, the lottery could have helped, with that. I mean, it wouldn't have been as painful as what we would've paid in state income tax. I mean, probably would have paid the same amount but, you know, it's not the idea of your paying, uh, income tax. Uh-huh. True. So, I, I'm not sure there's a positive solution for that. No.
It'll be interesting to see what happens. Trying to think what else is current. I, you know, I haven't seen the news in a couple of days. So it, uh, I'm a little behind on things. Well, the other thing I can think of is, uh, what is still going on in Iraq and the Kurd refugees. Yes, that's, that's sad. Yeah. They, uh, yeah, they had to choose between the better of the two, two bad situations, and, uh, I don't know what I've would have done in the situation. Uh-huh. Yeah, it begins to make you wonder why we didn't go ahead and go on in and, finish the job while we were in there. Yeah. Right. But I understand why Bush, you know, doesn't want to go in and, and uh, take sides. I mean, because that would definitely look like another Korea, Uh-huh. and he'd have all these people jumping down his back, even though I'd agree with it.
I think he ought to, should've gone in there and blew them away. Seems to have helped him though, popularity wise. Yeah, it, it, it did a lot. He did a real good job I believe. I have, uh, in-laws that live in Saudi Arabia that stayed there during all of it too. Hm. It, uh, it, uh, you know, we, so we kept very much abreast of what was going on. Yeah. Were, were they in any of the areas where they, some of the Scuds? Yeah, they were on the, the, near, uh, Dahran. On the, on the east coast. Um. Um-hum. Yeah. They were just north of it. Probably about a hundred fifty miles, hundred miles from uh, the Kuwaiti border. Um. Uh, and they stayed active was the, uh, the military there. Taking supplies out to them in the desert. Uh-huh. It was, it was a new situation.
Yeah. I'll bet. I don't really have much more to say I don't know anything else that's current other than the weather and, You're right, and that's, that's awful in Texas Have, have you all been getting rain storms down there? We got some awful rain, uh, the other morning. And today's just been real drizzly. We did, we did last night. Uh, some real massive thunderstorms. Yeah. Apparently, I, I don't know if it was just the strong winds or some small tornadoes up this way too. Uh-huh. Caused some damage. It did? We may get some more tonight. Oh, well. We, we've just got slight chances of rain. But, uh, we had the, we had the hard thunderstorms the other morning. Course while everybody was getting ready to go to work. Making nice traffic jams.
So Uh-huh. Well the, the ground here is so flat, and it's all saturated now, Oh we're getting some flooding. Right, uh, when was it, last week, we had all the rain? But, uh, we, I think we had about eight inches. Hm. It was between six and eight inches here where we are. Goodness. And, uh, it, you walk out on the ground, I mean you, I mean, it's awful. It's just so soggy. Yeah. It's a lot more humid down that way. Yeah
In fact, miserable. Well, today it was, I mean, the air was just so sticky, so damp. Yeah, I think there were places around downtown Fort Worth last night they got three inches in a real short period of time, like an hour or so just, a bunch. Goodness. Well, I guess that's it Right. Well it's, That's about as much as we can do with current events. Right. Well, it was nice talking to you. Good talking to you, Michelle. All right. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Okay. The public school systems, well everybody's has known they've needed renovation for years, but never really had a clear direction on which way to go with it. Uh-huh. The first direction that I can see, or I wish, I would love to see them go with. Kids learn at different rates
and for too long they've kind of lumped everybody together. You'd learn at this rate and that's the only way it's going to happen. Yeah. That's true You've got some kids that'll pick up on it in the first three minutes you're talking about it, and the the other fifty-seven minutes you've been talking about a subject, you've bored them. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's very true. Um, I guess I can relate to that, because I have two kids that are opposites like that. Uh, one picks up real quick and the other one doesn't. And you're right, they do get bored, uh, really fast, if they already know what you're talking about. What do you propose that they do? What, what is your suggestions? The educators need to be a little bit more open minded as well as innovative in dealing with, uh, the various students to get the maximum potential out of the person. Uh-huh. Out of each child. Out of each child.
Each individual child. Some kids are going to be great with mechanical stuff. Other kids are going to be really into math, some are really going to be heavy into reading. Right. Instead of pushing the scales too far either direction, I mean it's great to be well rounded and be exposed to all this stuff. Yeah. That's, But why not hit the points the kid's really interested in? Because if he's interested, he's going to study it, and he's going to learn it, and he's going to remember it. That's true. The only, I think the only thing that they would argue about that, is that, you know, every child needs to learn every subject. I mean, that's, that might be the only thing. But, I mean, I, I definitely agree with you. Uh, They need exposure to every subject. They don't need to be masters of it, Right, right.
That's true. Uh, Everything I learned about ancient Rome has not helped me anywhere in, my adult life. Yes, I definitely agree. There's no doubt about that. I, uh, I, I mean, I can relate to that because I'm, I'm going to college right now, and I feel like, I mean, I'm taking this history class. And, I mean, it's so boring, and I just hate it. And I think, why do they make us take this stuff? I mean, what does this have to do with getting, you know, a computer science degree or whatever, you know? What, what type of history class is it that you're having to take? Uh, American History. We have to take, um, like this is like early seventeen hundreds through, I don't know, I think like mid eighteen hundreds. And then we have to take another one that's mid eighteen hundreds on up, to basically present. Well, the early ones they could actually combine two, two, levels of it, the one from seventeen hundred til say, the end of the Civil War. Yeah. Combine that into one. And then from eighteen sixty-five to present, and make that your second step because, To a point, to a point the bottom, you know, the early parts of it, you're giving the foundations of the nation Yeah.
That's, well that's, basically what they're doing. and, but even then they're skimming over, they're very, almost trivial with it. Yeah, oh, yes. Definitely, I agree. Yeah, there's, You know, I mean, if they really wanted to get to the meat of the matter, I mean, there's, they make all these people out to be, oh, they were great men, and they're the father of the country and all this. He had just as much dirt on him as anybody else. If not more. The man was not a saint. Yeah. That's true, yeah. Any way, this, this, um, school system thing, I, I tell you, I saw something on the news, oh, I don't know, maybe two weeks ago.
And they were talking about, I don't know where you're from, but I'm from the Dallas area. And they were talking about the Plano school system, that, they had one school that, uh, if the students did something wrong, I mean, whether it was behavioral or, uh, you know, they weren't learning properly or something. They took these students and put them basically in a closet. With no windows. They had, a, a table, or not a table, but a desk in this closet, and they had to sit in there by themselves. Well, parents were getting really angry about this, because they said, Why is my child being put in this closet. Well, how is that helping my child, you know. And, uh, the, the thing, you know, they said, Well, we're giving them isolation time and this helps them to think. But a lot of kids, I mean, if a child has, uh, claustrophobia, I mean, that's just going to terrify him, you know and, If, if the isolation concept really works that good, why are our prisons overcrowded? Uh, that's true. That's true. But, no, I mean, they were, uh, I mean, I definitely agree with parents.
I think that is a very wrong way to handle, uh, disciplining a child. Putting them in, I mean, they were, they were they called them their quiet rooms or their isolation rooms. They didn't call them closets. But they showed these rooms on, uh, you know, on the news and, I mean, they looked like a closet to me. You know, with a desk in it, a real small. But they said that one of the solutions they came up with was to take the doors off of these isolation rooms. I said, now what good does I mean, how is this helping? I mean, either way. You know, I, I definitely had to disagree with that. I think that is, that's not the way to handle a child, you know, discipline a child by putting him in a closet the as a part of the revamping of the entire education system on that the public school system I want to see changed too. When I was brought up, if you crossed the line and you broke a rule bad enough, you were going to get spanked. Right. Well, then the extreme came in, and now we can no longer, spank them, Right. so we now isolate them. Yep. Uh Okay, we've swung the pendulum both ways.
Let's find a middle ground. Instead of, there has to be some sort of discipline, and there has to be some sort of punishment. Short of physically isolating the child, and short of physically hitting the child. Right. Well, Let's put him into a situation where, okay, you crossed the line, you broke the rule, you're going to have to pay for it. Right. But, it's going to tax you physically. Uh-huh. I, I don't, Have I mean, instead have them pick up around the school yard, have them weed a flower bed somewhere on the school Do something to beautify the school property. Yeah, that's true. But you cut, you know, the, the kid's having to give up his, quote, play time to pay his debt for what he did wrong. Well, But he's seeing something constructive come out of it. um, I have to, I think one of the positive things, I mean, one of the things that can come out of, uh, is not just discipline, okay? But, okay,
for instance, one of the things they do at, uh, my kids school, uh, they have what they call, uh, caught being good slips. And when the kids are in halls and stuff, and if they're being really good, I mean, just being excellent, they're not, you know, cutting up and so on. They're just standing in line, doing whatever they are supposed to, they get one of these caught being good slips. And then, when they collect them at the end of each week, they get to go to this little, what they call their caught being good store, and then they get to spend these like money. Well, see, to me, that's positive reinforcement, is much better, much better than trying to find ways to discipline kids, because they're going to be good and try and earn those things, you know, to get the positive part of it. I mean, they'd much rather go in the store and buy something than be spanked. So, they're definitely going to work towards being good, you know, rather than trying to act up and be bad, you know. I think that not only applies inside the public school system, but in society itself. We've been too long, there's been too much negative reinforcement. How much, like, the caught being good slips. How about, just the John Q citizen out there on the street? Yeah, well that's true. I think, I think, really though, I mean, that's one thing that, I mean, my kids definitely get spanked when they need they need to be spanked. But I really do try to use positive, uh, reinforcement with them at home, also. And it really helps. And I mean, they, they don't get spanked very often, but they, they do when they deserve it, you know.
But, uh, I don't think any kid should be exempt from being spanked. I mean, I, I think I wouldn't mind if a teacher spanked my child. But, you know, that's just my personal opinion, and that's not going to, I mean, I don't think that law will ever change. They are never going to let a, a teacher spank a child again. But I don't think, I mean, some kids don't get don't get spanked at home and some kids need to be spanked at home. I mean, don't you think? I, most wholeheartedly agree. But I don't know. I mean, there's a point of over kill, but somewhere in, you've got to find an even line. Right, right. Well, there's so many parents that say, you can deal with a child without spanking them. Which is true, you can. But there are times when a child needs to be spanked. I mean, they do things that they need that. Need that shock effect, where they equate the shock of being spanked with the actions they did to get spanked.
Right. ends with no further Okay. Um, I guess what, I guess my task. I usually ride my bike. I have, uh, a stationary bike and, uh, a regular bike. And when I can, I like to ride my regular bike outside, because it's so much nicer. The stationary bike is, is so, uh, boring. Boring. But I have head phones, and I, plus I have it, uh, in the living room so I either watch T V, or we have a fish tank, so I watch the fish, you know. Whatever I can do to keep myself occupied. If, I like to have the T V on, because that usually keeps me, um, more occupied. It kind of takes the time away and I don't realize, really, that's really the only time I ever watch T V, is when I'm on the bike. But, and then usually after I'm done riding the bike, just to cool myself down, I usually take a walk, you know, and that just kind of gets myself, uh, gets me, you know, to where I'm not quite as tired I guess. But it's definitely a task. You think so? I can't say that I really enjoy it.
I wish that I did enjoy it more, but I do it because I have to not because I want to I bought a stationary bike, but I find that if I sit on that seat too long, it hurts. Yeah, yeah. And I haven't figured how to get that soft, and I tried even tying a pillow to it. But two years ago, I joined, well, it's not quite two years, it's almost two years, I joined the Cosmopolitan Lady here in Plano. Uh-huh. And I love it. Really? I just love it. So is it just women that go there? Yeah. It's totally women. See, I think that's what's my biggest problem with going to a place, uh, a, a health club. Because I don't feel like having a bunch of other people watch me exercise. You know, so I have tried to just do stuff at home and, uh, I just feel conscious about it.
I mean, I'm not big, you know, or anything, but I still don't like other people watching me. I like to be able to sweat, have my hair a mess. Uh, feel that, okay fine, if my bathing suit slips a little bit I don't have to be conscious of it being a little bit too low. Yeah. Right. And I, my bathing suit's just one piece, so there's no big deal all the way around, but I don't have to be conscious of what I'm doing or how I'm doing it. Uh-huh. And it's, uh, oh, it's just, I don't know, it's, it's a total free relaxation. Because, hey, you can do what you want. You're a female, and no one is staring at anybody else or worrying about what anything else is doing. That's what, And they've got such fantastic equipment in there. Really? That's, that's great. Oh, yeah. How, And I love the water aerobics.

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