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Uh-huh. Huh. And the judicial mishap in this event would be, hey, you got the wrong guy. Look at that guy, uh, at E Systems. Yep. They were they convicted him of a robbery that he could not physically have been able to commit. Yeah. He was too far away when it happened. He had witnesses that were, you know, they weren'...
it took eight times to find you so I told my husband, uh, you know, what should I say and then he reminded me, but, uh, uh, in his family, uh, what they usually do, on his dad's side, his mom or, uh, the aunts will send out little postcards, like, two or three weeks before reminding everyone where the, the, where to me...
Nobody's out of a lot of trouble more than once. Yeah, yeah and the people who are down there, like, they'll assign one person in the Utah area, one person in the Washington area and that person can call, you know, beforehand and just make sure everyone knows, too. Uh-huh. And then they just sort of do like a little pr...
Yeah, well, my experience, uh, has been limited pretty much lately to my mother's side of the family. Uh-huh. Uh, years ago there was a big dispute on my dad's side and, uh, they haven't had a reunion since then. They just show up at funerals and weddings. Oh It was pretty serious and lot of yelling and all that, Wow....
and, uh, inevitably everyone is just very interested and, and they always have, you know, two or three new ones to add to the list, you know, someone's been born or someone passed away or, you know, something like that Oh. and so everyone has to update their little books or whatever. Well, have have you, do you have an...
My grandmother's, uh, sister who would be somewhere in, in West Virginia. I'm sure she's, you know, dead now, because my grandmother died in, about twenty years ago. Oh, I see. Oh so, I'm, I'm quite a bit, I'm probably a lot older than you are. Uh, Well, maybe, uh, they just moved away and then sort of lost contact. I ...
Uh, I suppose that puts me on some mailing lists and so forth, because I do get things from ski associations and things, uh, at, during the year. Oh. Oh, uh, and do you receive discounts and things like that, do you think or, Uh, not so much that, I, uh, more likely to see those at a ski show or something, but um, made...
We haven't been there before. Um, that sounds nice. Kind of away from the crowd is why we chose that one. Uh-huh. It's supposedly low lift lines. Oh. But I haven't skied Utah yet, but I want to. Oh, well, you need to come out I'd like to go to Sundance and Park City and some of those. Uh-huh. I understand Deer Valley i...
and, let's see, we do have NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC, and then we have some church magazines, but I really enjoy the DECORATIVE WOODWORKING. I'm heavy into woodworking and tole painting and things like that, so the DECORATIVE WOODWORKING has just been a great, great help. Oh, okay. Does it have, uh, articles on how to do thi...
Uh-huh. but then eventually there'll be a school project or something where my son will need to refer back through forty-eight back issues to find you know, France or something or whatever it is he's looking for. Uh-huh Yeah. Yes. I've, I've noticed that, too, but they have been nice to have around. Every once in a whi...
but but I do read it, too. Uh-huh. Oh, well that sounds like. And he takes GAMES MAGAZINE GAME MAGAZINE, which has puzzles and things that he likes to solve, you know, crosswords and various logic puzzles and things like that Uh-huh. Oh. Uh-huh. he likes to try that, so. He does, uh, does get to be a lot of paper thoug...
Mine is a senior in high school, so he's, we're kind of at the end of that trail. Oh. You're just sort of beginning to think about first grade. Oh. Uh-huh. Yeah, it's fun. Well, I do have a boy in junior high, too, so Oh, okay, so you got a little bit of a gap there between, so we're kind of running the gamut Yeah. Oka...
Uh, I haven't done any of the oil or watercolor. I would like to learn that someday, but right now my passion is tole painting Do you do a lot of it? Uh-huh. I, I took one class about, I guess three or four years ago and I've done a little, uh, Oh. But it takes a lot of time It does, it is real time consuming and, do y...
so, Now do you ever send any of your stuff to the boutique? No, I've wanted to do that, uh, but just haven't, just haven't mass produced enough to do that. Uh-huh. So, I have five children of my own, so it's That keeps you busy. they, they keep me busy and tole painting is just a, you know, something I do in my spare t...
I brush it on, yeah, I haven't tried a, a spray varnish. I use just a wood sealer. Uh-huh. Yeah. I just bought a spray gun, one of those airless, uh, not airless, high volume, low pressure spray guns. Oh, uh-huh. And I do a lot of woodworking and that's what I bought it for. Do you? Oh. But I haven't used it yet. Oh, w...
Yeah. That's why I brought, bought the sprayer is to finish my projects. Oh. That's my worst, worst part of my woodworking. I get so sick of making Oh, but it's hard to finish it, huh. Yeah, but spraying does put on a nicer finish. Oh, well, that is interesting. So, what kind of equipment do you have? For woodworking? ...
I, I just have a scroll saw and a jig saw and I am really anxious to get a band saw and a router Yeah, the band saw is really nice. I have an Inca. I don't know if you've ever heard of those. Oh. But it's nice to have the right equipment. Yeah, that is, that makes it easier, doesn't it? Uh-huh. Well, have you sold any ...
Do you, uh, did you take classes to learn how to do that? Uh, just in junior high Uh-huh. and then I just kept on through high school and then got my own equipment, kept up with that. Oh, so yours is mostly just a hobby, too, then. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. Well, that is interesting. Oh, I would, I really would love to go take a...
Good. Well I guess I'll let you go now. Well, they come on, we're supposed to talk until they come on and tell us Oh, they do? Okay, so this is my first one. You're probably a veteran at this. Yeah. Well, it has, it has been really fun. I've enjoyed this. Uh, like I say, I've made a couple of calls to Texas, and just t...
I am not well, we live in Roy , but, we is it on nineteen hundred? Uh-huh. Uh, let's see, I'm trying to think of the name. I know where fifty-six hundred south is. Uh, I don't right off. Is that Ben Franklin then ? Ben Franklin, okay. Okay, you want to start? Yeah, I might as well. Uh, one of the things I'm very concer...
Yeah, that's stuff we never even thought about three years ago. Right, right, and one of the reasons they fixed up the freons eleven, twelve and thirteen, in, in, in that area was because they were inexpensive, uh, they could be made, uh, you know, inexpensive and lots of it, uh, and in that, and its properties were gr...
well, how many, uh, uh, families own a refrigerator, and then do, you know, that number, and then how many a, a freezer separate from and how many people, especially here in Texas, own cars and trucks with air conditioning. Uh-huh. Yeah yeah. I mean, this is, there, there are people that, that make it, have a thriving ...
because when you, when diesel is burned it's it, you know diesel fuel is burned in a, in the diesel engine it's burned so completely, that you don't have any, uh, nitrous oxides, uh, or oxides of nitrogen, uh, to, uh, form because of, by virtue of the very combustion process of the diesel engine, because diesel oil is,...
Oh, do, do you feel they are swayed more toward, are you talking about with criminal or civil suits? I was thinking primarily criminal cases. So, do you think that, I mean the the stereotypical bleeding heart juries where they feel sorry. Yes. Uh-huh. That's a concern of mine. Uh, I would feel more comfortable in many ...
and, uh, when you, when you are selecting a jury and you are doing it partially if, if not entirely on the basis of which color representation you have you know that is a matter of concern to me too. Uh-huh. Uh, I think that, uh, in such cases, uh, they are not really looking for unbiased people, but rather for biased....
Uh-huh. but, I think, I think there would be a large variation in, in trying to gage the the severity of the crime and an appropriate punishment and have that that measure stick across the board. Yeah and you do see such uneven sentencing you know, evidence of it in the newspapers and such, I mean where, uh, it would a...
But, I, it's taken me a long time to understand that, uh, lawyers are concerned with the law and not with justice as we think of, you know, as, as novices tend to think that, uh, attorneys care about justice. Uh-huh. Uh-huh Oh, yeah, I, I agree with it yeah. They will admit to you that they don't have the benefit of be...
Uh, this is a little bit of the subject, but one, one thing that I really dislike, uh, also that's, that's new is the, uh, is that I have heard that there are federal sentences, I, you know, actually in this modern day and age, it seems like, uh, uh, we have more and more leisure time because, uh, we have so many conve...
So I refuse to have one in the house. Oh really? Yeah. Well good for you. Good for you. A lot of people, I talk to a lot of people about that and I've thought about it myself and I though about it a lot Uh-huh. But, uh, I still haven't done it yet. Well that's good. Well I'll tell you. Television sure makes child reari...
I don't think so either. Uh, so, you know, I don't know, I take advantage, I don't have a great deal of time to spend with the kids, but I take advantage of, um, dinner time. We always eat together and, you know, whenever you're with your kids, you want to interact with them rather than just ignore them. Do you keep yo...
But I I imagine with infants you are, most of your time is sort of spent taking care of them rather than interacting with them. Although, Yeah. Well I, I try and read to them and I take them to the park and stuff Oh, you know, reading is so good. I, uh, I took great pleasure in reading to my kids when they were littl...
Yeah. Well, I think, I think his sleep book is my favorite. Oh, really? Uh-huh. Well, yeah I like to, I like to do it and they enjoy reading. I've, actually I never read a lot growing up and I never read until a few years ago I just started picking up books and so I've found that, you know, it's really important to me ...
so she does, uh, Tupperware, so she's gone a lot at nights and so I spend a lot of time with them Oh, I see. how old are your kids again? They're two and one. Two and one. Uh-huh. Yeah, so you have your hands full with them, that's for sure Yeah I , uh, try to stay away from cars as much as possible in terms of repai...
But, uh, I, So do you have a car? Pardon? Do you have a car? Well, at that time, actually, I had a Volkswagen Rabbit Uh-huh. and, uh, it was, it was a real lemon. Uh, subsequently I got a, uh, Buick Century and it wasn't as bad. Uh-huh. But, uh, last year I bought a Honda Accord and I take it in once every seventy-five...
Huh. Woman goes in and they go all right, we got a sucker. Let's see how much money we can get out of her, you know Huh. That's what happens every time. Huh. Uh, so, So, what do you have? I have a Pontiac Six Thousand. All the more reason to, uh, have a, a Honda. Yeah. But our Honda just got old and just wore out. It w...
but just a few months ago when he was my husband, uh, his father gave us this car and everything is wrong with it. I mean, the power steering fluid leaks, the oil leaks, the brake fluid leaks, you know, Now how old is the car? Uh, eighty-seven. Huh. And he just doesn't take care of things and but I was awarded the car ...
and he asked me, you know, not a man, not a repair man, but just a friend and I was telling him that I just a new master cylinder put on and he looked at and he said that's not a new master cylinder Huh. and I didn't even know what one was. And, uh, he showed it to me and it was old, rusty, just awful. It was no more n...
Huh. The guy that's doing most of my, my car now, uh, goes to my church and that's the only reason, you know, I go to him because I know him Uh-huh. and I know he will tell me the truth. Because he doesn't even charge me for, for doing it so he's not going to, you know, take me. Right. I just pay for the parts and he d...
Yeah. And so, idiots as we were, neither one of us knew much about cars, we, you know, they told us we just had to have one and we bought one. We didn't no more need no new engine, give me break, you know. Huh. So it was, it was not good and, uh Uh, I think, uh, actually I'm fairly pleased with the benefits that we hav...
Uh, do you also get dental? Yes. And, uh, I don't know if I would rank that second but, uh, since I have three boys, uh, it, it can turn out to be important. Yeah, you know Oh, I know. in a, in a given year, dental dental expenses can really kill you. Now my husband is with, uh, Northwest Airlines and he gets, uh, you ...
That's right Uh, I guess that would be up there. Uh, I'm not sure if I would rank, uh, how I would rank that next to, say compared to retirement or, uh, uh, uh, pretax savings was another thing that I think is a a great, a great benefit . Uh-huh. Right. And I, I think it's really something that the, uh, the government ...
They may have, uh, just plain parental leave, which either one can take. Uh-huh. Uh, I, their, uh, I know their maternity leave is on the order of six weeks which I think is too short. Uh Oh, I do too. uh, uh, I really think that we need to get into the mold where we talk about years rather than months or weeks. Oh, I ...
That, You don't want to start over again anywhere. Yeah, you're right. I think you've put your finger on the one benefit that I, that I would most like to see, uh, changed Uh, the, uh, parental leave. Well, I think they're at, they're they've come a long way. Uh, at least some companies. Some of them, uh, my girlfrien...
Uh you're right. And, uh One of the benefits we get, of course, is travel Oh, right. Boy, would I like to have that. It's wonderful Yeah. The only trouble is that you can afford to go anywhere but you can't afford to stay once you get there Oh, listen I have friends in a lot of different cities. If you just fly me ther...
I do as far as, uh, as far as, uh, as far as immigration as a whole goes. Uh-huh. I think that, uh, we simply must start accepting everybody in the world. Uh-huh. Uh, I, there just is not going to be room for all of us. We don't have jobs now. I, I think, uh, I think when we come to a time of recession that it's partic...
Well, I'm a little bit ambivalent. The problem with, uh, and I think one of the problems with immigration policy is like any other political problem is that people are not willing to discuss it, uh, in, in terms of what, uh, really is driving it. They're not willing to tell the truth. The same way with, uh, issues of, ...
Uh, that's one of the few things I guess I found myself in agreement with Pat Buchanan I think they're a very difficult group to integrate into, uh, society. They're very difficult, uh, group to find jobs and, uh, and, uh, places for. And so, uh, uh, I don't deny that we may have been involved in causing the problem th...
On the other hand, you know, the ironic thing about this is that there's nobody more full of the entrepreneurial American spirit than our first generation immigrant So there's, uh, there's a lot to be said for having a steady stream of people who know how it is someplace else coming in. But there's some differences in ...
Things you already owned or things that you've picked up just to do that? What? Are they things you already owned or you pick them up just to do that refinishing? No, I've done some other things too. Uh, you know. Yeah. I've done both Yeah. Uh, uh, my wife has picked up a couple of things saying, uh, boy if we could re...
Uh-huh Yeah. I, I, uh, put together a, a, up rolltop desk from scratch. Oh, really? You know, a kit. Oh. I'm jealous. Yeah. Still had to cut it and everything, but it was fun. Uh-huh. Yeah I, I do do things, uh, that might be too crude to be called woodworking. I've built my own deck and, uh things like that. Uh-huh. Y...
But I can't say I use them very often Um. Yeah , I'm looking at trying to get a router right now. They're handy, uh, they they come in handy at the most unusual times. Putting doors in is the time when I'm, uh, I bought myself a, uh, template for making mortices and doors and that's a whole lot easier than doing it wi...
They've plastic parts and stuff. The ones that what? That you dial in on the side. Uh, I have never even I have never even looked at one closely. Uh, the, the little use that I've gotten from my router, I would say, uh, I would spend my money on the bits Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh, I have a, I'd guess you'd call a medium quali...
And I've never had the bits sharpened So. That's a thing to consider is to, Uh-huh. They, they really get hot don't they? Yeah. And they, they dull after awhile. Especially, I did some cabinets in, uh, ash and oak Uh-huh. and, uh, that, that wears a bit down. We remodeled and saved a bunch of really nice ash cabinets,...
Big solid pieces of oak are just tough. And then you take the blade to the to get sharpened, right Well, that was, you know, with a, with a circular saw. Uh-huh. Like, oh my gosh. Right. Is this going to be fun Yeah Well I've used mine on treated wood and now all my blades need sharpening. Because, uh, treated wood wil...
so that based on whatever we've got coming in, the check coming in, then how much I'm spending each half of the month and then trying to also because our house payment is once a month, that's our, our biggest, uh, expense so I take half of that amount out of my checkbook each, with each paycheck, even thought it's real...
Um, it takes some, it takes some dedication to do it, but it, it works out real well, so. And, and you're staying within your budget and everything is working pretty good. Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah, I stay I have to stay within it, so I, you know, and then we have that, you know, if you can't stay, if something comes up and y...
to someone else in the You've got paper under your table. and, uh, we have, uh, another loan with the bank, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and so we hope by the end of this year, that by doing that we'll be free, and clear. To be out of that. Free. Yeah, the only thing we have, it to pay off is our, is a automobile loan and our house...
Yeah, mostly what we're doing, we've worked, we've done the, uh, CODA account with T I where they, we put in so much a month, and then they, or so much a pay check and then they match it. Yeah, that's what we're doing. So that's, that's worked out pretty good and then, I used to work for T I and I have, when I retired ...
uh, John Hancock company came out and their agent did a long term analysis based on salary and, uh, what we were what, what our, uh, goals were on a long term budget in terms of retirement, kids college, paying off the house, buying a different house, um, special thing, buying land and building our own house Uh-huh. an...
I would, uh, sell the house and move back home, you know, to my home town, and, and, uh, I wouldn't stay here in Texas, so you know, I don't know what he would do. Okay, I guess that's most of my, um, financial plans right now. Yeah mine too. Is, is there anything you'd like to add? No, that's about all for mine. Well ...
so I try to listen to the radio in the morning and, and try to catch one of the morning talk shows, and then I usually end up flipping through C N N and HEADLINE NEWS during the evening. I always try to read the Sunday paper just because it usually gives a summary of the, the week's hot events. So, I try to, I try to c...
and I understand the void that, uh, comes naturally with both radio presentations and television presentations and as expensive as they are to produce, they certainly don't want any dead airspace. Uh-huh. Yeah, but I think there's enough news out there that they could pass on more factual information to us, and like yo...
and I knew that they had presented an extremely slanted viewpoint, that was, in my estimate, nowhere near truth but was much better for ratings. Really? Yes. And it, ever since that time I just don't watch. Uh, so, I guess we have the, the same reaction whether we came about it from the same place or not. Yeah. Well, I...
Uh-huh. and he did a, a pretty good job. THE HUNTLEY, BRINKLEY REPORT was quite excellent, over the years. Yeah, we, we used to watch, um, him and I guess, John Chancellor. And I always liked David Brinkley and and I used to enjoy John Chancellor's style of reporting, but on the nightly news, now, he goes into his comm...
Did that help you understand a lot what was going on your, your prior experience with the military did, Yes, but I, I think it helps me everyday in trying to review the state that the world is in and try to guess where we're going. I wondered if it would help you sometimes fill-in the gaps or recognize discrepancies th...
and there's maybe a page of that, little brief paragraphs, unless that was one of their, the focus of their main stories. That sounds good if you were short on time, you could get a summary real quick. Uh, it too is one those in the interest of efficiency we all have to find ways, and I do most of my reading in the bat...
and they, they don't offer any commentary, and it gives me a quick chance to, to be caught up during the day. Because, you know, we don't listen to the radio at work at all. So, I don't like to go the whole day without hearing anything. Oh, I'm with you, I have to check T NEWS every, every day. It's my noontime dose of...
So, that is something you might keep your eyes open for, I think it's, it's catching on throughout the country Well, how do you feel about it? Well, uh, I don't have any strong convictions about it, that's for sure. Um, I know I haven't done any Peace Corps service, and I don't know anybody in my immediate family that ...
but, uh I don't know how we got the subject, . You have to, I don't either. I have nothing to say about this. I don't either. I was, I almost hung up, because I thought, well, gosh, I don't, I don't really have an opinion except for no, I think that's dumb. Uh-huh. But, uh, Well, how long you been in San Antonio? I've ...
Well, that's good. Well, back to the topic at hand. What other types of community service would they be talking about. I mean, the, the recording mentioned the Peace Corps. Well, it sounded like, I mean, this is like major long term commitment, like a year or six months, Yeah. or, so you're looking at the Peace Corps o...
they couldn't cover my hourly rate I couldn't afford it. No kidding. But, uh, I have this thing against bugs, too. And seems to me like the Peace Corps, they send you someplace that there's a lot of bugs . Yeah, Africa. Yeah, have to live in a shack with no air conditioning and no medicine and no anything. I'd probably...
I'd have to be, I don't know. Oh, I don't know either. Growing up, all I knew was you go to high school, you, you know, you work, you go to college, you get out of college, and you get a good job and you work. And, and none of this, you go spend two years in the Peace Corps to to broaden your horizons. Uh-huh. Well, yo...
Yeah, maybe a little bit in that perspective, but, uh, and a lot of people have gone in the military, I mean, you know, when they're in the college. Sometimes it's to help support college, you know, the money. Uh-huh. Uh, others, people don't know what they want to do. But as far as, uh, you know, the Peace Corps. I gu...
So. Yeah, or, or try to make a living. Yeah. But, uh, yeah, I, I have no, I don't know anybody that's done that either. So, I, I, it's interesting we got this topic because I, I, I don't know what I marked off to get this, but. I certainly didn't mark off anything to get this one. I, I can't imagine, and the switchboar...
How many times have you talked? Oh, probably five or six. Yeah. Not a whole lot. Oh, I've done maybe four or five. Yeah. Did Dana sign you up for this? Well, she just sent me the information out. I, I got a hold of it, you know, I just sent it back in, and. Yeah, that's, she stuck my name on some list, so they mailed m...
That one was interesting because I talked to a man in, in Washington, D C, and it was hot here, and it was snowing there. So that was pretty interesting. Uh-huh. And I talked to someone about the, uh, the, uh, education system. I forget exactly what the focus was on that one. But that was fairly interesting. And I talk...
I get free money for thirty days. Yeah. That's the way I use them, uh Yeah. I try, I try to make sure I don't get in debt. So. Yeah, well that's always a good plan. I can't think of anything else that I've talked about. All that most of the ones on the list, I checked off stuff like football and, and stuff that I can, ...
And, I'm out here in Phoenix, so we talked about Cardinals. Uh-huh. And, so, so that one was all right. And then what else did I have? I think I had some other, uh, like staying in shape or working out. This other guy, I got this guy from New York, so. I had to talk to someone about hobbies, and the switchboard called ...
no matter what, you couldn't kill it. Well, I killed it pretty quick. Yeah, I don't have too much of a green thumb either. So. I do have one plant here, it's been hanging out for a while, but I think it's one of the easiest plants. I can't, I don't know the name of it, but I'm not too much into ... Where do you live? U...
Our community is, uh, just starting to get organized about it. They just opened up a recycling center where we go and donate our, our things and dump them off ourselves. Uh-huh. And, uh, it, Well, that's something but it, it seems to me that we've gotten a whole lot better, um, cooperation out here, uh, by setting it u...
Oh, that's great. And, the, it really pays for itself because, oh, then the city, gets the money from the recycling. Uh-huh. Yeah, we're, we're all for it. Our, um, we've got several bins in our, on, in our garage where we, uh, you know, sort things out and, and take it to, to the appropriate places. Yeah, the one thin...
Oh, it does. It does. But I'm sure that they can, uh, find some sort of, uh, use for them if, you know, you know, there, I've seen talk about, uh, using garbage for, uh, energy. Uh-huh. And so, you know, you could also apply the magazines toward that. Well, that would be a help. I wish they would do that here. We have ...
And then you put all your yard clippings and, uh, leaf rakings and anything that will be compostible . Oh, uh-huh. And those and they, the garbage men also pick those up on Thursdays. Oh, that's great. And then the, uh, they take them to a special part of our dump where composting is now in full swing, and at the end o...
I think it's, it's, to me more of a convenience to have them come pick it up, then to get that two cents when you take it to the store. Uh-huh. Oh, I, oh, I know it. We still have bins at the grocery stores where you can turn in bottles and cans, for cash. Uh-huh. But so few people, uh, have enough to make that worthwh...
and they have a giant bin by the front door for the plastic bags, Uh-huh. and they say, as long as it's clean they don't want a plastic bag that's full of goop Yes. Here they don't want your rotted tomatoes. But they want any clean and dry plastic bag so I keep, and the thing is, I hardly have room now for all the thin...
he, we have all our piles of, of recyclables also. Uh-huh. I remember at Christmas the, the only thing that I'm, when you were talking about the composting, the only thing that our city did that was they uh, provided a place for us to take our Christmas trees. Uh, to for them to mulch. For, for city use. Uh-huh. Yeah. ...
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and we'll, uh, take all of those back and try to recycle them. Right. Well, see that's one, But I, that's not going to be a regular feature. That was just a one time thing right after Christmas. Well, the, but, uh, something does need to be done about the Styrofoam that, uh, Well, those things must take...
and I think that would be great if they could get something organized along those lines. Yeah, I do too. The difficulty with that is that very few people have enough to make it worthwhile. It, they really have to rely on businesses that generate a lot of that stuff. Right. Uh, because otherwise, uh, you know, they're n...
But at the moment we're using the china cups, and everybody gets one at the beginning of the year, and then, uh, your supposed to keep it recycled every day. Well, that's good. That's a, Yeah. they should last awhile Well, let us hope that everybody's going to be paying more attention to this and that we will get, uh, ...
Well, I mean it's, With two little kids I can understand that. Yes. It's that's simple. I read to escape, and I don't read any PARENTS magazines either. Oh So. What, uh, what kind of, Well, I just finished, just, I just finished one last night. A great book. It, it's very, a typical for my reading though but a great bo...
or, Yeah, a guy who was there as a, uh, foot soldier. Uh-huh. So, he considered himself to be, you know, a, a true Vietnam soldier. Yeah. Well, any of the guys that were ground yes. Yeah, I can imagine. Yeah. So, what's the latest one you've read? Well, I tell you what, I'm a kind of, uh, a history nut. I'm trying to t...
It does tend to, to, Have you, are you a Civil War buff at all? Yeah, as a matter of fact, yeah Because I finished one, I think this is like two years ago, and somebody had given me one of these dinky do, crappy women's novels set in the Civil War, John Jakes with , Yeah. and the novel didn't do that much for me. But, ...
it's a story of all the politics and, uh, lobbying and just basically state by state events, that lead to the events that brought about the Civil War. Uh-huh. And it's fascinating because I had always, you know, been raised on this, you know, Emancipation Proclamation with the Civil War. Uh-huh. There was a lot more to...
yeah, I'm glad you put it that way. And I have two native Texan children too. Yeah. My husband is always, you know, talked about Texas being a, uh, rebel state. Uh-huh. And, oh, my God, all this Civil War pride. I kept waiting for, where's some reference to this goddamn State of Texas and the role that they played eith...
and they had an interesting time there. Oh, I'll bet they did. And down there at Sabine Pass, uh, I can't think of the guy's name but he held off, uh, you know, just he and a handful of guys managed to hold off the whole Union navy for a while from coming up the Sabine River which was of no consequence but still is an ...
Texas participation in the Civil War was, uh, minor at, uh, it's been, Boy, don't tell that to a native Texan though, Yeah. I mean, my god, they fought and won the whole thing. Yeah, well, my wife's from Galveston, so. Oh. Yeah. Well, I'm from New Mexico so, you know, I was That's a beautiful state. That's a beautiful ...
Iowa and Nebraska. Uh-huh. Yep. And then I had probably lived the last eleven years in Massachusetts so, you know. What does that make me, an honorary Yankee Uh-huh. or, God knows what. Yeah, on, yeah. Oh, well, my sister's living in Illinois right now, so Well then, she's going to come out well rounded. Yeah. But outs...
Uh-huh. And I, I'm trying to think of, oh, Isaac Asimov, ROBOT series. Yeah. I mean, I think I've read all four of them and I understand that there's a fifth. Uh-huh. In the last six weeks he's been on the road a lot. I just turned around and looked at my brief, at my briefcase, my, uh, bookcase up here and I see ARMAG...
Yeah, it really the, the books are kind of, uh, imposing to say the least. Yeah. No, let's see, here's one called GHOST TOWNS AND MINING CAMPS OF NEW MEXICO now, not too many people have read that one I don't think. No. And there's THE HISTORY OF YOAKUM COUNTY, TEXAS there. I've got, uh, Is that a big, thick book? Yeah...
I read the GRANT TAKES COMMAND, that was pretty good. Well, That was part of that trilogy that, uh, Bruce Canton did. Now that's one that, That's one I don't know. See, I had never really been into science fiction that much until, uh, somebody gave me MIST OF AVALON probably about five or six years ago. Yeah. I don't k...