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Yeah, that's exactly right. Uh-huh. But I think, let's see, the teams that were there last year were, see, somebody from California, I don't even know who won the pennant last year. Beats me. I mean, I know Yankees have won a lot games through the years. Yeah Not lately though We have been talking about this, I tried to call earlier, Uh-huh. and we had made a list of all these, uh, baseball teams and the cities that they were from, then I started cleaning and I don't even know where I even put that paper Threw it away Yeah. I was just cleaning and throwing, Oh, gosh.
Let's see. The teams that, I think the A's were in it last year. The Oakland A's, and I think it was, I don't think it was an all California baseball. Well, have you ever played baseball? I played softball. Well, that's what I did when I was growing up. Yeah. That was fun. Yeah, that's fun That's a whole different sport. Uh-huh. in Yeah, let's see, but I think, I think the Rangers need to go and I think the Pirates will go. And, uh, let's see, Rangers have got a new guy this year, I don't even remember his name either.
Do you ever go see the Rangers? Every once in a while I, I like to go on the nights when there's not anybody out there, not very many people out there. It's a lot more fun when your not fighting a crowd. Yeah. I think it's fun, I like just looking at the billboards. Yeah. sometimes when I, if you go out there during the day, you just fry under the sun. Yeah, it's nice at night. Yeah. That's when I've been. It is. Well, And do you know anything about that new stadium, have you seen all those pictures that they're going to put out there? No. Yeah, that, that huge it's suppose to be a huge stadium
and it's going to have little shopping centers in it and little like a lake or something running through it. And, uh, they're going to try to make it a real community center out there. And your going to be able to buy your, what was, no, wait about the liquor? That's, that's in, uh, Texas stadium where the football players, play Oh, yeah, so you, and they're never going to let liquor in there. Well, they're trying. I know, but they try every year and every year they get thrown out. It's so stupid because they let you take it in there, but they don't, they don't allow you to sell it, don't allow them to sell it there. Uh-huh But, uh, that new stadium's going to be real nice, and I heard that there's, uh, that you can bid on that stadium last night on the news I heard that they said you could, you could bid on the stadium to have it named after you, so. Uh-huh,
right. And it's going to go to the highest bidder Oh Well, that's the way to do it. Yeah, so that could be your, you know, fifteen minutes of fame. You hear that? That's my kids turning on their music. Oh. to child in the Holly turn it down. I think it's the Bart man, the Simpsons Oh, God I stay away from them. I wish I could I bet you do. Well, where are you? In Plano. Okay, I'm in Garland. Oh, you are? Yeah, my my husband teaches in Plano.
Oh, what's he teach? C V A E. Uh-huh. So, what do you do? I teach, but I teach for Dallas. Oh, you do? For right now. I'm trying to get out. Is that a tough system to be in? Uh-huh. Real hard? Uh-huh. Yeah, I would think it, I mean it's good because they, they try new things, you know, but it's like, they'll try something and then they throw it out, and get something else, you know, Yeah. and you get tired of that.
That's typical bureaucracy though. That's, that's, I think it's going to be any where you go it's just worse in the bigger cities than it is in the smaller ones, Yeah. I don't know, sometimes the smaller ones are just as bad. Well, but they can't be though, they don't have as much money. Yeah, Most of the time. but the politics, the politics gets worse in the small towns sometimes. Oh man, in Dallas you don't even know who's in, in administration, there's so many of them You don't even know who to payoff, huh? I mean, somebody walks in the, a classroom and you don't know what they're there for, you know, when they're coming, how long they're going to be, Yeah, oh, how funny. you know, it's just there they are and they're writing the whole time
No communication whatsoever. No. I had them walk out of my class and not say their name anything, and I finally just got to where I go, okay, I'm Debbie Moore, you know, may I ask who you are and what you are in my classroom for, you know. Yeah. Because, you know, you never know where they are going what they'll report or, I know. and they'll tell you they've written something down, and you hope they're telling you the truth. And you never see it. No huh-uh. That's got to be frustrating. Oh, it is. How long you taught, taught in Dallas schools? Uh, this is my eleventh year. Ugh, that's about, uh, ten too many. No, actually it's,
now my job's good, much better than a lot, because I'm Chapter One, Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. and all I do is teach reading all day long, Oh. and it's just ten children at a time. Oh, well, that's not bad. No. It's good, and you've got a lot of federal money, too. But hasn't it changed a lot over the years? Teaching? Yeah. Oh, yes. Or working in the system. Yes, when I first started teaching, I remember I went to my and I said, okay, I want to see a curriculum guide, you know, so I'll know what I'm suppose to teach
and they go, we don't have one. We don't even know where one is. Oh, God And so I go, okay, I mean, you just, you did what you wanted to do, How funny. and now they tell you what to teach and how long and, you know, what day, what period. Yeah, you don't know which is, you don't know, which is worse. Yeah. No, I know which is worse. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, being told what to do is worse. Uh-huh. So, how long are we suppose to talk for? Well, you can talk for ten minutes but you don't have to. Oh, you can?
Yeah, and no, if you talk to ten then they come on and say, oh, you've extended your limit, and please say good-bye within the next five seconds. Oh, I haven't ever talked that long. Well, you know, I hadn't either till last night, I was talking to this retired administrator from Cleveland, Ohio, Uh-huh . and we started talking about gangs, you know. He lives in Cleveland? Yeah. Wow. And, everybody else that I've talked to has been right around here. Yeah. But, she was real interesting. Huh. And then tonight this woman called, have you taken any incoming calls? yours is my second one. Okay. So hers was the first one I got, gotten
and, uh, and she was telling me all her problems, you know, and it went over ten minutes. Did she, did she, did you all not talk about the topic at all? Well, yeah, we did, but the topic was boring I thought. Oh. What would you serve, uh, if you were having a dinner party? Oh, gosh, all the other, the one I talked about the other night was good, it was, um, about movies, you know, what have you seen at the movies lately and stuff like that. Oh yeah, I could go on and on about that. Me, too, because we go all the time, the guy I was talking to never goes, he was, boy it sounds like your really up on this. I said, I see at least two a week Ugh, neat. So, that was real good to talk about that. Have you seen like, uh, SILENCE OF THE LAMBS?
No. You've got to go see that. The last one I saw was DANCES OF THE, WITH THE WOLVES, WOLVES. Yeah, we talked about that one too. And he, he said he didn't think it should have gotten all those awards, he thought it was too long but I, Oh, I enjoyed it. I did, too. I mean, it was just more for my money. Yeah. I didn't think it was too long at all. Uh, he said after about the first hour he started looking at his watch. Huh. The other one you need to go see is SLEEPING WITH THE ENEMY. Uh-huh. And, how old are your kids? One is eight and one is eleven. You probably don't want to take them to see SILENCE OF THE LAMBS.
It's, it's not, it's not too cool for kids. They usually pick their own. I bet they do. You know, they've got it all figured out. Yeah, they want to see all the horror movies. Well, and Ninja Turtles. Yeah, Ninja Turtles, got to have those. But most of the time really we watch them on the video. Oh, yeah, you that's, Don't you? Just massive rental. well heck, that's a lot cheaper then, uh, taking them out to the show. Going to, I know. Especially if you get them for a couple of nights you don't have to watch them all in one one time. That's what we do, especially when it's bad weather, man, just, plug it in.
Yeah. Of course, you have to get there early if you want to get anything, decent. I know in It's good when you go to Tom Thumb though and they're cheap and nobody has got them yet. That's true. Unbelievable That's true. We saw, um, HEROES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN COWBOYS, tonight. Uh-huh. It was okay, it was kind of slow, and I felt like it kind of got chopped off at the end, you know. It just, it, I don't know, it one of those movies it's not going to be around long, it will be a dollar movie in no time. Do you read? Not very much,
no. No? I don't have the patience to read See I do that to make myself go to sleep at night. Yeah. Oh, my Mom and Dad read all the time. You saw FIELD OF DREAMS, right, a long time ago? Yeah, sure did. Well, I was reading the book, and it's called SHOELESS JOE. Oh, really? It was so wonderful. And then I was, um, I decided, well, I like this author, so I got a, uh, book of his short stories, and that's been real good. Who is the, is the author? Don't, don't ask me Oh The GHOST OF SHOELESS JOE was the name of the book.
Shoeless Joe. Was it like the movie? Yes, Okay. quite a, quite a bit. But, you know, in the movie the guy was black, Right. he wasn't in the book, Huh. that's one difference. There really wasn't a lot of difference. I didn't, see I never even heard that there was a book tied in with that movie. That's interesting. That was a good movie, too. Well, do you think we covered baseball? I think so Okay, well, have a good night. Okay.
So, who's your, uh, favorite team? Who do you think? The Dallas Cowboys. The Dallas Cowgirls, huh. Yeah. Well, they did have a fairly decent year finally this year. Uh-huh. At least they're coming around. Yeah, they're going to get better. I mean, you know. Well I mean, you know, I think, uh, once Jimmy Johnson gets his system established, uh, they'll do all right. Yeah. As long as Troy Aikman doesn't get hurt again. That kind of killed them at the end of the season last year. Uh-huh. So, I don't, I don't even know who your favorite team is, actually. I'm a Viking fan. Okay. I think I did know that, I just forgot.
Okay. And they haven't been doing too hot, so. Yeah. Has Herschel Walker done much for them? No, in fact, in fact the Cowboys got the best end of that deal. Definitely. Well, he was a good player. I guess, well I don't know, he just never, I don't know, for a while there , I've never been over impressed with him. Well, he could always get past, you know, he'd get past like six or seven tackles and just keep spinning around and get on into the end zone. But, um, I guess you never could really see him play, because with the Cowboys, while he was with the team, the rest of the team was pretty poor so you couldn't really tell if it was just him or the team and I always just assumed that he was too good for the rest of the team. But, I don't know. Well, who's the running,
is it Sammy Smith, or is it, Emmett Smith. Emmett Smith, yeah. Emmett Smith. he's been doing real good. I'm pretty impressed with him so far. Yeah. Did he, did he actually play in the Pro Bowl. I remember he was like a backup and then somebody got injured and he was supposed to go. I'm not sure. Yeah, I kind of, I haven't been keeping up with football, I mean, in the fall I, I can go on and on about football, but since it's kind of off season, it's kind of hard to think back about all that. But, uh, Who else is, uh, oh there's, you know, Mike ,
Minnesota Vikings, used to be the general manager starting the World Football League. Yeah. So, and and he was trying to keep, uh, uh, I can't even think of the guy's name, either, the coach of the Vikings. Um, I have no idea. Jerry Burns. No earthly idea. he was going to keep him as the coach somehow, but, uh, I don't know, I'd like to see the Vikings get revamped somehow. How did they end up this year? Did they, did they make it to the play-offs at all? Well, they started out really bad, they went like one and six, and then they won five or six in a row. Uh-huh. So they were in a shot to make the play-offs and they screwed up the last couple of games. Kind of like the cowboys, huh. Yeah,
I guess you can, Except I think the Cowboys are on the upswing I don't know about the Vikings Yeah. Just hadn't heard much about them lately. And the Cardinals were kind of like the in fact they were doing better than the Cowboys, and the Cowboy, Cowboys came on strong at the end of the season, and the Cardinals got killed by the Cowboys, so. Yeah. Well, the Cardinals, I don't know. I think the Cowboys probably have a, a better team. They just, at the end of the season, the kind of got messed up with Aikman getting hurt, because, uh, Laufenberg just couldn't ever really get it together at all. Of course, he sat along the sidelines all season, he never really got in a game, never did a whole lot. Oh, don't made any excuses for him Well, I'm just saying I shouldn't, I shouldn't blast him like that, say, oh well, Laufenberg got out there and blew it for them, I mean, he didn't get to see much action. But, too bad.
Because now, now, you know, he had a shot and, and didn't look too good and so, no one's going to have much faith in him any more. Uh-huh. In fact, I think they're getting a different guy for a backup quarterback. I haven't, uh, I haven't kept up with it lately, but I remember reading something a few months ago about them signing somebody else on, or, or trying to go after somebody or trade for somebody, but it wasn't anybody I'd really heard of. But I heard on the radio this morning, or yesterday morning, that, uh, Aikman's back in practicing, doing real, real well. Um, who is it, Michael Irvin Uh-huh. he said that, uh, Aikman was hitting him right on the numbers every time. So, sounds like he's going to be all right for next season. They're just trying not to overwork him right now, until he gets his shoulder, uh, back in it was his shoulder, wasn't it, that he had the problems with? I don't know Yeah I think it was . I think it, I think it was his shoulder he had surgery on. But anyway, they're trying to keep him, you know, keep him, uh, from reinjuring anything, but anyway But, uh, well I got my thirty day notice yesterday.
Thirty day notice for what? Um, I'm done, where I work. Oh, really. So, anyway, I guess we can't talk much more about that, but I just thought I'd throw that in there What. Oh, okay, maybe I'll call you back after, after the recording is finished. Actually I think we have talked about football for five minutes. I can't remember. Oh, I've always ran out of time ever since I've done this. Really. I usually have, too . They always say you've talked your ten minute limit. Yeah, I've done that once or twice. I didn't look at the clock when we started talking, so I guess we should talk about football a little bit longer just to be sure we got five minutes in. Make sure we get our cash flow.
Yeah. So other than the Vikings, who do you like? Um, actually, when I was younger, I was a Cardinal fan, too. Uh, oh. Remember Jim Hart? Jim Hart was playing. Terry Metcalf was on the Cardinals. This was a long time ago. Yeah. Um, I don't know who else I've ever. That's about it, I was always a Viking fan. I think I was into the Cardinals for a little bit and, Uh-huh. Back when they were in Saint Louis? Yes, oh, of course. Since they've been to Phoenix they haven't been, uh, all that impressive, I guess. I guess I've always been a Cowboy fan.
Other than that, I mean, you know, when I've, you know, when you grow up in a city that has the, you know, one of the greatest football teams until the last few years, you kind of tend to get caught up in it. Yeah, well, the Cowboys were America's football team, Yeah. there's no question about that, so. Yeah, I mean it, it was really exciting, growing up when, when the Cowboys were really big. Because my parents would always have season tickets, and they'd go to all the games, and you know, the hype were just unbelievable. It's just, you know, the last, oh I guess probably since about eighty-four, about eighty-five was when they started kind of going downhill really, but, you know, I'm just used to always growing up and hearing Cowboys, Cowboys, Cowboys, and, you know, Super Bowl, and all this other stuff. So, I can't, you know, I'm not going to decide I don't like them just because they're having a few bad years. I mean, I think they'll pull out of it, and, you know, they'll, they'll wind up being good again. They've got some, lot of really good young players that are going to, that are going to, uh, do pretty good, I think. But, they're raising prices on their tickets.
So they're banking on doing good next season. I think tickets are, Again. Yeah. What are they going up to, thirty bucks or something? Thirty, or thirty-two for really good tickets. See, they, they sectioned it out even more. They used to just have like, uh, first of all it was all one price. And then they sectioned it out to end zone and then everything else. And now they're sectioning it off to like from the, from one twenty yard line to the other one, just on the lower levels is the highest price, and then the next highest price is that same area but above it on the upper level, and then like from the twenty to the ten yard line. And then they're some sections kind of in the corner areas, and then the cheapest of course is going to be the end, the direct end zones. But, um, they have about four or five different prices now, that they're structuring it with, but obviously yeah, they're all going up, more or less is what it's going to do. So now the tickets even got lower than the lowest one last year.
Um, you know, I'm not sure, I'm not positive, I didn't, I didn't really think about that. I just remember trying to figure out where you could get that was real close to the good section but in the little bit cheaper. But, not that I'll ever go. I hadn't been to a Cowboys game, time, last time I went to the Cowboys game was during that, um, N F L strike, or the, when they had the scab team, teams in there, and it was the, uh, Dallas and Washington Redskins game. And I went because my dad can usually get a hold of some free tickets, because a lot of those doctors have season tickets, and they, um, if they're not going to use them they'll give them to somebody else. So my dad, I went with my dad to a game that one time. But that wasn't a real, you know, it was, it was the scab teams, it was kind of, you know, it was kind of different, I guess. And before that it's been quite a few years. I've been wanting to go to a game, I just never, never have gotten around to it. So maybe this year . That's interesting,
I almost lost our electricity here . Oh. Okay. Um, what do you do this weekend? Well, uh, pretty much spent most of my time either in the yard or at nurseries buying stuff for the yard. Huh. Which is, what do you plan, have planned for your yard? Well, uh, we just bought our house, uh, last July, and it's, it, it, the house is forty years old so there's, there's an established lawn and whatnot, flower beds, things like that, but they've, uh, they've gone a few years of neglect. Uh-huh. So, we're in the process of, uh, revitalizing the whole situation. We've got, um, different flower beds in front and, uh, a window box, a built in window box, um, trying to get some color back in those, get the trees trimmed up, uh, get rid of a few weed problems and things like that. Huh. So, What part of the state do you live in? Uh, I live in Dallas. Oh, okay. Okay.
My wife and I, we live in Dallas too, so. Okay. Yeah, just what that area, we're planning on moving to Flower Mound, and we're going to be getting some wheel we're going to have to do a lot of lawn and garden work there. Yeah. Seems like it. Uh, the place we've been living at, it's, uh, we're, we're just leasing it. The, in Plano, and the soil has so much, has such a high clay content, that, uh, uh, I went to use my dad-in-law's tiller and it about for my arms off, sockets Uh-huh. I'll bet. I'll bet. I mean just, just scratching two or three inches was just a chore. It was, it was and then when it gets wet, you know, you don't even want to get out in the yard, Right. it's horrible.
Right. It's a nightmare. But, um, I don't know what, what um, where you live is there a real high, uh, alkaline or ash content or, Yeah, it's pretty high actually it's done, uh, it's in the north end of Oak Cliff in, uh, Kessler Park area, Yeah, yeah. and, uh, we've got about, I know right where that's at. yeah, we've, we've got maybe eight to eight inches to a foot of soil, Uh-huh. and then it's solid rock from then on down, so. Really. Yeah,
it's, uh, a little aggravating, we can't, we can't put in anything too big, um, as far as, uh, shrubs and things like that because they've got to get a chance to find the, find the cracks in the rock. Golly. But, uh, Is it, is it limestone under, underneath? Yeah, it is. It's, it's solid limestone. How do you put trees in there? Uh, you just, we're just happy that there's trees already there so far, Huh. um, anything like that is, is a, uh, major undertaking I guess, uh, sprinkler systems or anything, uh, start to get real expensive because there's an awful lot of work that has to be done chopping through the rock. But, uh, and it, you know, not even, consider, considering a pool or anything like that, that's, that's, practically has to be blasted in I guess. Oh. But, uh, and it makes, it makes for a, a different challenge, I've never, well, I, I moved to Dallas about five years ago,
Yeah. and, uh, I never really, messed with anything, uh, gardening or anything like that until now, but, uh, I, I keep hearing all the stories of, of different parts of town. In fact, uh, we even, we were at the farmers market yesterday and bought a few tomato plants and things like that, Uh-huh. and the first thing the, the old guy there at the stand asked is what part of town we lived in because he said, uh, I've got, I've got a dozen different varieties and each one works in one part of town and that's it, That's basically what he was trying to tell us. Yeah. Oh, yeah, we, we tried planting tomatoes last year and it, they, they turned out pretty poor. Yeah. I just, I I just wish I'd known the, the variety and everything. Yeah it, But it, it's amazing we also have roses, and, I mean, they just grow so beautifully. Yeah,
that in fact, we put in some, uh, some more roses yesterday. Like what, um, what type roses? Uh, different, uh, a few different, uh, hybrid tea type varieties. Oh, hybrid teas. Yeah. Yeah, we, we have a few, uh, of the real short stem. They're they're kind of like the bush roses. Okay. But, uh, I don't know I think it's, I think it only has about five or six more years to go because it's a, it's a really old bush, Yeah. and but I, I, I'm amazed because the sun is so intense, and the roses just seem to survive just fine there. Yeah, that's, we, that's what we're searching, uh, we've got, we've got all the different lake editions around the house and we're, we're kind of experimenting right now. Uh-huh. We do, we've got the direct sun in front
and the backyard has two great big, uh, spruce and, and an oak tree all about forty to fifty foot tall so the backyard is just complete dark all day long. Huh. And, uh, we're we're struggling to find something for those areas. Yeah. Have you, have you, uh, done, um, done a lot of tree surgeon work on your trees or not? No, they're, they're in pretty good condition. Yeah. Uh, we've been, we've been pretty lucky on that. Yeah, just if you want a lot of, you know, light for underneath, that may be the, all right because we had, because we have some, we have some old fruit trees. Uh-huh. We have a plum that's just about ready to go, Uh-huh. so we may just be getting rid of that but, but our peaches they, they seem to be doing just fine, but they, they really need pruning. Yeah. It just seems like they, that, that even, you know, pruning once a year is really not enough
but the, the way they behave. That's true. That's true. I don't know. But, uh, but, uh, what kind of, uh, what kind of, what kind of grass are you growing? It's, uh, bermuda. Bermuda. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I've, I've been trying, uh, uh, a mixture of, uh, the bermuda and the rye, Okay. but I may be working like a fescue in because of, you know, the type of weather. It seems that, uh, bermuda's, bermuda's fine but, um, it looks like it would hold the soil but it really doesn't. Right. A lot of, a lot silt that comes in it just doesn't seem to hold it very well. Yeah. But, uh, but the rye does really well. Especially during the wintertime. Okay.
But, uh, but, boy, once it gets over seventy, seventy-five degrees that, it just dries up, shrivels up and dies. Uh-huh. But anyway. Yeah, it's, uh, there's such a, there's such a difference, through the year. Uh, Yeah. My, my parents-in-law they're, they're building a house into the side of a hill, um, well, it's already been built and everything. Uh-huh. They've been living there for about three months now, but, uh, this is out in west Texas, Uh-huh. but the, the wind there, has been so bad that, I mean, they've tried to plant grass and they just, have some problems, big time problems that's it . they just, so they just washing , uh, watching their lawn just blow away. Yeah. But it's, it's quite an undertaking. They have about two or three acres of land on lake front property, on a, on the side of a hill.
Oh, wow. It's beautiful, I mean, you can see the house from, you know, miles away, Uh-huh. but it's, you know, it's a pretty neat little job but, they save a lot of, they save a lot of energy Yeah. but just, uh, you know, for them, I mean, they, they're going to have to start gardening. It's going to be from the ground up. Yeah. The whole way. Yeah. And they said, well, we just plan on spending the rest of our lives just, getting this property developed. It's amazing, I mean, they have, have the, all they have are uh, mesquite and cottonwoods, Yeah. Yeah. and, uh, it's, it's all on Lake Greenbelt , that property out there. Okay. And, uh, I don't know, that what they have,
they have all the water they want, Uh-huh. they can, they can actually, they can pump water, I mean, they have to get permission but they can pump water up from the shore, Okay. but, uh, that's for like an additional, they have to pay like some kind of fee per year. Oh, okay. But, uh, they're, uh, right now though I think they're just, they're trying to get the trees planted and everything. Sure. But, man, I, I just think of all of the money that they, that they're going to have to spend just getting that. But the taxes alone there, Lake Greenbelt and some places, they, they, they really nail them for tax. Uh-huh. And, I mean, your talking what, just several hundred dollars a year in property taxes. Wow. It's, it's ridiculous. That really is, it, it would,
it seem like it be just the opposite when you get, Yeah. No, no, it's not it's, because even though it's far out there, it's just that Lake Greenbelt , you know, they have to, they, they try to do it just from the, selling the water. Uh-huh. But, um, the water usage, you know, they try to limit, even though there's three or four streams that flow into it, people still use it enough in, like in towns like Clarendon and other areas that, where they irrigate. Uh-huh. They they, they still haven't gotten used to the dry land farming but, the irrigation because it's gotten so bad the past few years, Yeah, that's true that, but I don't know I just came back from there and just the air is so dry. I don't see how anything can survive out there, for long periods of time. Should say my father-in-law says the mesquite trees are, they're, they're pretty smart, they're smart,
they're about the smartest tree around. They don't, they don't even start growing until May, May or April, like after it's been raining for a few months. Yeah, that's true. That's true. They say the roots have developed so that's all they work on. Just a leafy, they don't do anything. Uh-huh. Yeah, that's something I've been, uh, been looking around and noticed all the flowering trees and stuff are, at this time of the year Uh-huh. and, you know, we're trying to decide what, what to, what to put on one side of the house and things like that, but there's so many things that they, they last for just a couple of weeks and then it, then it's just a, a bush there from then on. It's kind of, it's kind of disappointing. I, I don't know my, my wife and I, we planted on the, on the south side of our, of our house we planted some gardenias. Uh-huh.
And they did real fine during the summertime it's just, but during the fall when it stopped, when, uh, the rain let off just a little bit it, I mean, it just dried up. Yeah. And, uh, so I guess, it, these plants they just, they don't, it's like they remain ... Well, how, how do you feel about the immigration laws? At, currently, I think they are a little restrictive. Uh, particularly for, uh, certain ethnic groups or from certain countries. Um, I think we should permit, uh, more immigration from eastern Europe, for example, uh, particularly the, uh, the Jewish, uh, uh, people from Russia. I think we could permit more of them in than we have permitted in the last, uh, several years. And, I think we have, uh, uh, too much restriction on the, uh, on the Orientals also, but, of course, that's just my opinion Yeah, well, I'm not real sure why I got this topic, because I don't think I checked it off on the list because I know very little about the current immigration laws. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Well, we seem to, uh, to favor certain, uh, uh, countries particularly South American countries. And, uh, there is no, uh, uh, I have nothing, of course, against, uh, the, uh, the South Americans or, uh, or Hispanics, in that sense,
but I think we, uh, are more restrictive of the, uh, so called eastern, uh, European countries than we, uh, we should be. Of course, that's from my own bias since my ancestors from eastern Europe, so Oh. And, uh, so I think, uh, you know, the, uh, embargo we placed on the, uh, on the Russian Jews, although we of, uh, spent years and years, uh, lobbying for their release and their ability to, um, immigrate from Russia as soon as that occurred, we simply said that, uh, instead of the, uh, hundred and fifty thousand or so who wanted to immigrate to this country, we cut that by, uh, two thirds. Uh-huh. So. Huh. I do not quite go along with that, but No, that doesn't make a whole of lot sense. No. And I still think, you know, again, kind of having, uh, uh, within this century, come from a, uh, an immigrant family, or immigrant families on both sides. Uh-huh. Both my mother's parents and my father's parents were immigrants so, I'm a little touchy every now and then about that Yeah. Well, uh, my, uh, my family is from, uh, Europe from, well, from England and Ireland and, uh, have been in this country for, oh, more than a hundred and fifty years almost two hundred years,
Uh-huh. Oh, my so, I don't have any, any, uh, relatives that I am, or, or, uh, several generations back, that I am familiar with their names and how they fit into the family. They were all, they were all born here Uh-huh. so I don't have any real strong ties with any, with, with the immigration laws. I don't, because I don't, I don't have any personal feelings about them and I haven't taken the time or effort to learn what they are. Well, I think in a way, though, uh, uh, I also have, uh, an opposite point of view, which is, uh, although I believe we should, uh, permit, uh, you know, constant immigration into this country uh, I think we should, uh, primarily for economic reasons, I think we should have, um, some quotas, Um. of course, my family and I, again, again that was, you know, my grandparents came over during the time when, uh, there were quotas. So they had to wait, uh, you know, in, uh, certain parts of Europe for years before they were permitted to come over. Uh-huh. So, you know, but, uh I think unrestricted immigration, I think, is not, uh, is not best, uh. Yeah. I, I, Well, I agree with that, I, I think if immigration was entirely unrestricted, uh, not only would, would the United States become over populated, well, more over populated awfully quickly, I think it, it would bring in a lot of, uh, people that are, run out of other countries or in trouble in, in other countries.
I think they'd come here trying to find a new market for their, their brand of crime. Uh-huh. Well, you know, there's another aspect of this, too. They're also, uh, uh, diminishing the, uh, health restrictions which, I was not aware, aware of that. Well, yes. There are, were some, uh, regulations over, I don't know whether they're laws passed or, or whatever they're called, uh, just recently, where, uh, people with certain diseases cannot be excluded, uh, from, uh, immigration. Age is one, for example, and, uh, recently, uh, tuberculosis, which at one time, if you had tuberculosis you could not get into this country uh, they dropped that also. Uh-huh. So I think in, in some some ways we are, uh, becoming a little too egalitarian in that, in that sense, but, uh, I think we should be a little more circumspect about it. Again, my opinion Yeah. Think we've talked long enough? I think so All right. Well, I've enjoyed talking to you. I, I, I have talked long enough.
Okay Thanks. Thank you. Bye. Good-bye. Hi, how are you today? I'm great Good. Well as a matter of fact I'm, before we started this conversation I was working on my P C at home. Yeah. Do you have one? No, I don't have one at home. I work with one on, at work continually, you know, Yeah. but I do not have one of my own at home. Do you have, What do you have, at home? We have an, um,
actually it's a T I computer, but it is the I B M um, clone. Uh-huh. It's not the T I P C from back when. Right. From the oldies but the goodies. Right. It's probably pretty close to what I have, because I have the same kind of thing at work. I have a three eighty-six S X which is T I computer, but everything in, is in I B M mode. So. Yeah, that's what we have. Um. Do you use it a lot at home? Well, I really do. I, um, am an accountant and, but I work at home. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So you're on it a lot.
So I use it for that quite often. Uh-huh. We have, you know, used some of it for some personal things. We keep track of personal budgets and things like that on it. I, since it's tax season, I'm doing a lot of taxes, so I do a lot of, um, a lot of that work on it as well. I was amazed when I took our taxes to our tax person and she works out of her home also. Uh-huh. And the, uh, software that does the taxes is just incredible. Oh it is. You know, I mean, she just, you know, I expected to go and, you know, drop the stuff off and go back two weeks later. And, you know, she had it done and out in twenty minutes on her little P C. Yeah, you can. It was great. Yes, you can,
that's right. That's wonderful. I have often thought that, that having one at home would be neat. I just don't know if we would really use it that much. You know. We really, we we didn't decide to get one until I started working at home. Uh-huh. Then, you know, then, we thought, well we can use it for, you know, some personal things. We for us it really took, you know, a business application to justify the expense of it. Uh-huh. Oh, definitely, definitely. I know my stepfather bought my mother a little personal computer, oh, I guess, probably three years ago for Christmas, and, you know, it's got some stuff on it. It's got a nice little word processing software on it, you know, and some budgeting type things and stuff. And I don't think she's ever touched it you know. Really. It just, it just seems like a lot of trouble for something at home. You know, she always seems to have better things to do than to try to sit down and figure out how to use her computer you know.
So. Right. She could just as easily do those things by hand. Yeah, just as quickly. Yeah. Now I know my boss has bought the software, um, that he can, that his checkbook is on, on on a disk, Uh-huh. and he goes in and and types his checks on the screen and then hits print, and they print out on the checks, and he's ordered envelopes with the windows in the right places you know, Oh my gosh. and he just whips, out, you know, I saw him yesterday morning over there, and, and he paid his monthly bills, and he just, you know, wrote all the checks on the screen and hit print and it printed out like ten checks, and he just, you know, they're perforated, and he just ripped them off.
They go through just a continuous thing on the printer Right. and he ripped them off and stuck them in the envelopes and there they went. You know, and he said, you know, I can balance my checkbook in seconds, you know because it's all in the computer, you know. Right. So. And you know there's not going to be those adding mistakes that we all make. That's exactly why. He said, you know, he said, used to be I always sat looking for those, you know. He said this way there isn't any. You know, it does it for you. So. This, you know, there are some definitely, some, some advantages to it. It's just a matter of, like you say, are the advantages, does it justify the cost, if you're using it strictly for personal business. So. Right I, I think in most cases I'd have to say no. Not unless somebody really enjoys it. Or perhaps is using it for education. Right.
I have a four year old son, and we have some education programs that he likes. A little Sesame Street one Yeah, yeah, and we have another one that plays music, and he really likes that one. As he grows up he'll be even more and more too. That's right. That'll be great. And yeah, on, now I think about it, I guess for, for kids like, as they get older, especially now when they get to junior high school, high school, and even college. Uh-huh. I mean, my sister went to college, started about three years ago, and she had to have a, a computer. Really. I mean, it was like a necessity.
Well, yeah, I. She couldn't imagine going through college without a computer. Well I'm going through right now. I'm, you know, going part time in the evenings, and, you know, I do, yeah, everything has to be typed. I mean, they require it. You have to type it you know, Right. and, and so I'm up here, you know, nights and weekends you know, working on the little on the P C up here, you know, typing stuff. So I can see where it would be a great advantage to have one at home, you know, if you were going to school. Yeah, any more I don't even know if they have, if a college kid would have a typewriter Well, you, I don't know. Probably not even, no. No,
no, and they probably used to have it. I just finished a, a major research paper a couple of weeks ago, and I couldn't imagine not having that thing on a disk where I could go back in and move stuff around and change it. Uh-huh. I, I don't know what they used to do before they, Well, unfortunately in our family, my husband and I went through college together and then he went on and got his Master's degree while I was working. Uh-huh. And I'm the better typist, of us, Uh-huh. and we just had a regular old typewriter, not even a correcting one back then. Oh and you had to type all of his papers. It wasn't that long ago, but I typed his Master's papers and things on a typewriter. Oh gosh, Oh boy, to have a computer back then. Oh, cut your time in half at least. At least. At least.
I mean, and then of course you have some changes to make, and do the whole thing over. You take out a sentence, on a computer you take it out, bleep, print it out, fine. Uh-huh. Take out a sentence on a piece of paper, You do the whole thing over. Right. That's right. You know, I remember when I was working in high school, you know, I was working in an office, right after I got out of high school I continued working there for probably another year. And we did everything on a typewriter everything. Oh, yeah. But it's amazing, you know, then, when, where, you know, someone would have you type a letter, they did it right, they did it right. I mean, they were, The first time. Yeah, they sit there and they go, is this really what I want to say,
and you typed it and that was it, and now, you know people just send it back over and over and over and over. That's probably one of the problems and frustrations that it's brought about, because people do feel like, Oh well, we can just change it. Well, we'll try this out and see what it looks like. Yeah. Yeah, use it as a, just a, Yeah, instead of knowing what they want to say before they they just, you know, play with it, and, which in a way is nice to be able to do, Right. but, you know, it, it gets a little out of hand sometimes. I've seen it get out of hand up here, you know where we've got a secretary that sits over here that's keeping metrics right now, and keeping up, you know, of all the letters I type, how many how many of them do I make changes on. And on each letter, what types of changes. Oh yeah. Are they typos? Are they because I couldn't read it or people just change a, like, one word because they think it sounds better, or whatever. And, you know, she's also keeping a percentage, you know, what percentage of letters am I retyping for whatever reason. Uh-huh. And there's like one week, she did retypes on ninety percent of what she typed you know,
I believe it. and it's like, you know, it's ridiculous and that was, that was the high week, but it's running about seventy which is still ridiculous to have to make changes to seventy percent of everything that she types. Uh-huh. Well, it's good that she does that, I mean, bring it to people's attention. Well, that's exactly right. You know, she keeps, you know keeps several weeks' worth of data and then in addition is keeping copies of all the changes to show, you know, look, this didn't really need to be changed. You know, this is ridiculous and you know, changing, add this time to now. You know, I mean, that's the kind of things, you know, that she's keeping and showing, that, this was a big waste of time, it was a waste of paper, it was a waste, you know to change something like that. Right, So. Anyway, maybe, you know, maybe it'll, it'll help in some way, but I don't know. There, there definitely even with the few disadvantages like that are far better than the alternative. Oh I have to, Without a doubt. Without a doubt. Well, I would like to get one at home some day. We've got a two year old son, and so, you know, some day I would like to get, even just like the video tell, or something like that, you know, just to, to be able to pull in sources from outside would be wonderful.
You know so, Especially when they're in school, I think they would get a lot out of it. Oh, I do too, I do too. The on line encyclopedia just sounds wonderful, you know, that sounds like such a great idea, you know, it'd be kind of fun to be able to play with it. So. I know, my father had a P C, and when we were in high school it was always fun. We could, um, link in, and I don't even remember now what it was called. But you could link in and talk to other talk to people all over the country, you know. Uh-huh. And, like, you have your own little code name, you know, and you'd type in du du du, Hi how are you, du du du, and they'd type back and everybody, and you'd have five or six or seven people talking to each other at the same time, and everything everybody said prints out on your screen as they're typing it, and it was just great fun, you know, It was very expensive, because the whole time you were on there you were on long distance, you know.
It was like a long distance phone call. Ooh. So, we were each limited to like twenty minutes a day, you know, so. Ooh, that still could add up. Oh it added up big. Well, you know, we, my parents were divorced and so the time we were like visiting our father in the summer time, you know, so he felt like he could splurge and let us do it. Yeah. I'm sure we would not have been allowed to do that under normal situations, you know. But when you're doing the guilty father complex, you know, because he's not there to watch us grow, you can kind of get all kinds of stuff. That's sad. Well, it was nice to talk to you. Yeah, you too. Have a, Have a nice day. You too.
Bye-bye. Bye. Okay. Well, First of all, I want to tell you I have two little kids, but they're not in public school yet. I, I get, I get that experience starting next fall with kindergarten. Ah. Yeah. Yeah. So you haven't really, uh, dealt with that in a sense. No. But, uh, being one of these late in life mothers, I've listened to everybody else's, you know, complaints as to what's the matter with either their kids or the school system. Yeah. So I've been surprised. Yeah. Do, are, do you have school age kids Uh, mine are both out of school. Oh. And, uh, you know, I, I've, in hindsight, seen some things that I wished that, you know, I had done something about that was, you know, within my power or, uh, you know, wish that in some ways we, as parents, had more control over what's happening up there, you know, type thing.
Such as? Uh, well, just over the years there were situations that, uh, uh, came up that I didn't think were fair or handled correctly or the teachers didn't seem to be teaching anything. Of course, it's a little hard to tell from the information that you get from your child, you know. Uh-huh. They, they bring things home and I was never one to believe everything my kids said, you know, about something. But, uh, still I, I questioned the ability of some of the teachers to, uh, really do a bang-up job, and yet others I know are just wonderful. Well, I heard a, a frightening thing. Actually, I didn't hear it. It was told to me or suggested to me, uh, that to work as a teacher in the public school systems in the state of Texas, and I think it's similar in, in many other states, if you have a degree in a technical field you do not need a teaching certificate because there is such a shortage of, uh, people to teach math and sciences. Huh. And somebody said, well, you know, you could go in and, and substitute teach at seventy-five dollars a day and there's always going to be, you know, somebody having a need for a math or science teacher. I thought, Christ, they're letting me in, to, you know, Yeah. this would be, this would be frightening. I don't know anything about it.
That's pretty interesting because just, just because you know a subject matter doesn't mean you can teach it. Right Right. And even if I knew how to teach the subject matter, I don't know if I'd know how to handle that kind of a, a group of kids. Oh, yeah. In fact, I think that's, that's one of the big problems today is the, the way the kids behave or act and, and the way they are sometimes disinterested in what's going on in the class and disruptive. I tell you what I'm finding frightening and this comes from, you know, the, the aging hippie near forty mother. So I went through this period of supposedly, you know, cosmic social enlightenment. I'm on, I'm in the Plano school system and living in Richardson, and there is a real dichotomy in terms of educational and economic background of the kids that are going to be attending this school. Uh-huh. And I used to think, well, that's wonderful. You know, they can get a real life experience. What I'm seeing now, uh, in terms of kindergarten preparedness, just from, in, in, in different preschools it's like day and night. Uh-huh. And I wonder, how do they handle a child who is obviously very ready and another child who doesn't even speak English, let alone know her colors. Yeah. And they're in the same classrooms. And I guess also you're going to see the first of the, uh, crack kids starting kindergarten.
My God, I think it would be next year is what I'd read. I thought, well, how do you, how do you weed those out? Yes. Some of those certainly have a lot of difficulties, you know, with, uh, all sorts of things, and I would imagine their learning disabilities are quite large in some cases. When I was listening to N P R, the National Public Radio, and they've quoted statistics that I just about, my throat just about fell into my toes. They said at the bottom of the S A T scores of graduating college seniors are usually those people that go into education. Oh, wow Yes. That's encouraging. Yes. And I, and I, I got to thinking back when I was teaching college chemistry, the people that took, you know, the lower level courses, I sometimes wondered, you know, are they really even educatable or trainable and it, my God, you know, are the rest of us who went for the big bucks, you know, staying out of, you know, where maybe we should be kind of socially obligated to spend some time teaching or something with these kids? Yeah. I don't know Well, that's, you know, that's an idea. Maybe there need to be some radical changes made.
Do some things that are totally different and unheard of. Well, you know, you, you sit here and you think about that. At the same time you think, God, I hope I don't sound like a stage mother because, right now if you ask my friends put twenty mothers in a room and ask them how many have gifted children, you're going to have twenty hands, you know, up there. Oh, you're kidding. Oh, no. Nobody has, nobody has a nongifted child. And I keep thinking, you know, gifted is, is Einstein or, you know, uh, musical prodigies. It's, it's not a kid who's, you know, precocious. Yeah. You know, what has, you know, has, has the educational system been watered down to that anybody who's above average is now gifted? Huh. I don't know. That's interesting. I don't know. Mine didn't, did not fall into the gifted category Oh, don't say that. Nope. And I would never had said so either. Uh, but, uh, they managed to get through, although not always with flying colors.
Uh, in fact, one of the incidents I was thinking of that my son had. Uh, he was struggling with senior English and I had a meeting with the, uh, vice principal and the English instructor, and, uh, she showed me a paper that he had just handed in. And she told me what she had requested. And I read it and while it had, you know, a few little grammatical problems, it wasn't very long and so forth. I thought it had some nice, well thought out, uh, parts to it. Uh-huh. She gave him an F on that paper. And I thought, well now, here you have a student who is trying to pass, who is struggling with your subject and you give them an F on something that doesn't seem that bad to me. What are you telling that student? You're telling them that, hey, you might as well forget it, you know. Well, you see, I think that, that harks right back to the elementary and junior high years. Because I have a stepson now who's twenty-five and, uh, I was just absolutely shocked, uh, the first time that I saw his schoolwork. Uh, I remember being, you know, taught, and I think, you know, you have to teach how to write an answer and, you know, how to construct a thought process. Uh-huh. And, you know, they can get a, they can grasp the points.
Can they convey the data verbally or in writing. And that's what's, you know, really scary to me. Uh, I would really, you know, there's such a, a push among young mothers these days to make sure their child is computer literate. I would really think that they should be stressing more can the kid write a thought and at an early age. And if they can't, I mean if they have missed that training, then somebody, you know, before you're, you're start penalizing them with bad grades for not being able to communicate what they're thinking, teach them these basic skills. Yeah. It's pretty sad to think, uh, about those who, even today, are graduating from school and they are telling that they don't know how to read, you know. Well, my stepson, you know, I, he went into the Navy or Air Force. I just really get my military, I married into a military family, and I don't know, I address them all as generals so I don't offend anybody. But, uh, you know, fortunately for him, he wasn't dumb but boy he sure had trouble, you know, putting things on, on paper. Yeah. And one of the things that, that they did for him. They tested him and they said that he's, you know, great in electronics
but he, you know, he's, really does need the basic skills. And they put him through six months of composition writing in addition to all his electronic training. And at that point, he has now graduated from warfare electronics school with honors. Oh. This is the kid who, who really, you know, barely made it through high school. Yeah. And I keep thinking, you know, it's not, it's really not too late at any point to do, you know, That's interesting that the military saw that and did something about it. Yes. You would have expected them to be the last ones to Yes. And I kind of have always pooh-poohed military educations. But I think that for this kid, it's going to be, you know, his lifesaver. Otherwise, he might have been driving trucks or framing houses, you know, from here to eternity. Yeah. So, I don't know. You know, it does make me nervous. Well, I can see why if you've got little ones just coming along. There's a, a whole lot of stuff going on out there. There is a whole lot of stuff going on out there
and, and part of me says I just would like to, you know, shut my eyes and pretend it doesn't, you know, go on Or send them to private schools And then the, you know, the old social conscience says, you know, I'm not working, I don't need to work. Maybe I should volunteer to, you know, teach what I know. Yeah. Maybe adult literacy. Maybe, you know, composition writing. Maybe, you know, uh, volunteering, you know, on a tutor line or though the, even through the elementary schools for help with homework or, the other part of me says, is God, I've had enough kids Do I What type of lawn and garden work do you do? Well, I do it all I see. Do you have a garden? Uh, yes. I, I try to grow, uh, uh, a vegetable garden and, We do the same thing. It's, I just have a small plot it's like ten feet by five feet. Yeah. I have two plots, one's ten by ten and one's like fifteen by four.
I see. It's a long skinny one and, Yeah, you do a lot more area than I do. I've, all the rest of my yard, backyard is, uh, you know, pool and decking it's all the dirt I have, left in my backyard Oh, I see. Yeah. I see. Well, I I enjoy fiddling around. It's cheap entertainment. Right. Right. Yeah, it's nice to get out in the open air. It is, uh-huh. And especially when the weather's not too hot or, not raining or whatever,
That's right. Yeah. but, uh, sometimes I, I said, I sometimes I wish I had more space you know. I enjoy, Excuse me, go ahead. Uh-huh. I grow a lot of things, a lot of food. Uh-huh. And sometimes I, I want to plant something, there's not enough room to plant. Some of those things like, uh, you know, the things that vine like, uh, cucumbers, or, uh, squash or something, like that. Plant one of those That's right. That's right. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Takes a lot of room. and it takes up your whole space It sure does. I made mistake one year and planted some cantaloupe, my goodness, what a mistake that was. Yeah. Yeah.
They, they just run all over, the place, don't they, They do. Well, it was very good it just takes up, you know, like you say, a lot of your garden area. Right. Right. It's the first and only time I've done that. We don't do anything exotic we just do, oh, tomatoes, bell peppers, radishes and turnips, I mean, not turnips, carrots, beets and things like that. The basics. Right. Yeah. That's what we do too. My wife used to plant a few snow peas. I don't really care for snow peas. Well, she just plants a few for herself. Right. Peas Yeah. I, I got a few peas out my garden a couple of days ago.
Did you really? The first one, they started them indoors this time. I read it, Oh, I see. And so I, Okay. We don't start anything indoors we, just wait until, you know, the weather warm enough to stick it in the ground. Yeah. I, uh, I guess you can get an earlier harvest by doing that, Probably so. Yeah, you can get a head start on it. like ice in But, uh, sure is a heck of a lot of work. I guess it, it, might would, Because you got to, watch them every day, and keep them watered yeah. Uh-huh. and I, I don't think I'll do it again Well it will make, it will make them taste better I'm sure.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, I enjoy it. I come home from work and, and I usually say hello to wife and kids, and then go out and fiddle, you know, just walk around the yard and inspect it Sure. You got to inspect it, yeah. and the kids want to swing, Sure. and I push them on swing. Sure. And I I mow my own lawn. Yeah. And I do, I don't have a sprinkler system. I, I don't enjoy watering. No. Especially, I, this is the first home we've lived in we've had a sprinkler system,
Oh how, and boy, it is really nice, Oh. it sure beats dragging hoses around. Yeah, you can have it come on just early in the morning. And, and off by the, you know, by the time you're up and about. That's right. That's right. It's really nice. Yeah. I, I usually get it started for my wife Uh-huh. and I, and she moves it around ever other day. I'll have to admit I don't, I do my own yard. I, I really don't enjoy doing that. I enjoy having a nice looking yard, Uh-huh. I just don't enjoy the work, that it takes to get it done. Uh-huh. Yeah.
I had a lawn service to do my yard for me during the real hot summer months, you know, until I retired Uh-huh. and now I, I've lost my excuse for that so I have to for the last couple of years I've done it myself. Yeah. Sometimes I wish I could get one of these, uh, chemical services to come, out and spray for weeds, and fertilize, and all that and take that one step out of . Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. But, uh, they want too much money. It is kind of expensive, it is. Yeah. Of course, the chemicals themselves when you buy them, they're expensive too. Right. Right. But it's still be quite a bit cheaper to do it yourself. That's right. If I have a problem discipline, you know, I think,
now, boy, I really need to get out, you know, and apply something, you know, and I screw around and don't do it or wait too long or something. Right and the weed come up, That's right. and all of a sudden you've got to do something else. That's right. I'm, I'm kind of bad about that. Yeah. I enjoyed having a lawn service but now I have the time and I really can't, I really you know, don't, want to spend the money for it. Well, if you, enjoy it too, you know, you, you can get out in the morning when, before it gets hot and, and do it and stuff, when you only have to, Yeah. That's right. I'm not limited to, just mowing it on Saturday morning, you know, Right. I can do it on most any day of the week. When the days start getting a little longer, you know, you can, I can start doing it in the evening after work. Uh-huh.
That's right. When they, when they switch to, switch, Yeah. when we get an hour more, Yeah. when they rollback an hour. That's coming up here pretty soon. Is it this weekend? I don't know. It's pretty soon. I really don't know. It just seems like I here it on the news the day before. Yeah. And, uh, I, I think it's coming up here soon. I believe it is too. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Are you having any trouble with bugs in, in your garden? Uh, not a whole lot, uh.
I, I don't use, I, I seldom use anything harsher than seven dust, you know. Uh-huh. I don't really like to put a lot chemicals on it but then, again, I don't want the bugs eating it upping either. Right. Right. I, I, it seems like they come in spurts. Uh-huh. One year I didn't put anything on and I didn't have any problems. Uh-huh. Next year I was planting some broccoli and, and some of those, they're called cabbage, cabbage loppers, or whatever. Uh-huh. Right. Uh-huh. They were just covered with them, Yeah. I mean, I went up, I didn't go out there for about three days, you know, because I, and I went out there one day and the plant was nothing left but a stem,
Uh-huh. That's right. they devoured it that quickly. Absolutely. They really go through it, And, they, they, have a, you, a good appetite they really do. Yeah. And they would, you know, I, I picked off like twenty of them and, You know cutworms will do the same thing to your tomato vines too. yeah. Boy, they'll strip, They got that, uh, what is that safer soap, uh, B T spray this, year. Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh-huh. And I've been watching them every day and I've, and I haven't seen any signs yet.
So, if I see any signs I'm going to spray them, Yeah. and, uh, I did something a little bit different this year that I haven't done before, I've got, my garden is shaped that I can, it's kind like this, uh, box shape, so I got four pieces of two by twelve and joined them together and just made a box. And put in a whole bunch like eight hundred pounds of topsoil and manure Right. and, you know, various other things, Raised it up. Well, the good stuff. Right. And I'm hoping especially with those big tall sides on there it that maybe I won't have, oh, I'll have less of a bug problem at least they, they'll have a hard time crawling up the thing. Right. Yeah, my backyard is, uh, is sloping so I built a box up, you know had to build the one, the low side up. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
And, uh, I had sandy loam hauled in. I had a dump truck come and dump it. Uh-huh. On my driveway, I guess, that's what they do and then, I had to wheel barrow it in. Yeah, Right. But, uh, you know, you can improve your own soil there Uh-huh. but the Texas soil isn't the greatest, gardening soil. That's right, you, you have to work on. You, really do. Right. And you know, if I, I didn't wait five years for it to be good enough grow you know what I mean That's right. When we had our pool done I had them to leave some extra loam, you know, for my garden so I had, I had a lot of loam out there to start with I just turned it all up and mixed it all up together with,
Uh-huh. Do you have, do you have a rotor tiller? No. I don't, I did it by hand, Small enough, you have a, just do it by hand? Uh-huh. Yeah. It wasn't too much of a job, really. Yeah. Yeah. Like I say it's just, Yeah. I'd like to get one of these little small ones, that you see in all these gardening magazines. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. It would be handy. And it weighs twenty pounds or, something like that.
Yeah. My neighbor across the street has one. He always uses it to dethatch his lawn, Uh-huh. I see him out there, Yeah. and I guess it has a thatcher attachment to it. It might be handy, Yeah. Yeah. They're pretty neat little, I've never seen one. I have a friend who has one and, and he lets me, you know, no problem borrowing if it's, just a hassle when you know, to go up Uh-huh. Oh, yeah. and it's a fairly large one to, heave it up into the back of the van, bring it home and, check it back and just grab it, you know, if I, just go to my garage and grab it. Yeah. Uh-huh Right.
Yeah. That would be neat, sure. That would be nice. We've had a garden, gosh, for years and years and years, of some size, you know, Uh-huh. I can't remember a year when we didn't have one of some kind. What have you got growing right now? Uh, got, you know tomatoes that are starting to bloom Uh-huh. and, uh, I've got carrots, I yes, I've got a few carrots up and I've got some radishes up, Uh-huh. and as a matter of fact, I've already done a second row of radishes. Uh-huh. Yeah. And, uh, the green onions are coming along. Okay, Snow,
what kind, excuse me. what kind of onions do you grow? Do you grow those, those ten, fifteen Y? Yes, I've for the first time we planted them this year. Oh, they, they are the best. Yeah. We tried to find them last year, we screwed around and waited too long and I couldn't find a nursery that had any of them left. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. But we've got some this year. Uh, those, Snow peas are up and, uh, my wife does, uh, a small herb garden on the side. I see. They're up and doing fine.
Yeah. I, uh, those onions, I think, we, we planted like twice as much this year because, you know, we got, onions and they lasted from, you know, about when you harvest them about a month from now or so, or six weeks, from now, until, until like October, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. and, uh, we really missed them when they were gone, because the ones from the grocery store just can't, compare. Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of a, let down. She made these onion rings that were so good, Oh, I bet, and, and, and, uh, you don't realize how many dishes you put onions in, that it's an ingredient, they were. That's right. We use a lot, we sure do. and, and it was just like everything you put it into tasted so much better.
Yeah. One nice thing with onions and, and bell peppers at least you can chop them and freeze them if you have, you know, too many. Right. Right. We froze a lot of peppers. We let some turn red. Yeah. Uh-huh. We did that too, And some we do green and then my wife puts them on pizzas. And, and chops them up in recipes and things like that. Uh-huh. Sure. Makes, uh, makes a colorful salad too. Oh, yeah. Put them in salad, yeah. Uh-huh. You're, you're making me hungry here. We planted some yellow peppers this year.
We've tried it, before Oh. and nope, we haven't had much luck with it we're going to try it again this year. Yellow peppers, huh. They have some little buds on them hopefully they'll do something. Yeah. Sounds like you have a real good garden. Yeah. We enjoy fooling around with it. Just let me see what I got, I got the peas and I've got some broccoli, uh, onions some, some radishes and, uh, uh, beets. Beets. Yeah, we've got some beets, uh-huh. Uh, and I planted potatoes too. Uh-huh. I've never done potato.
We used to do it at home when I was a kid, had a huge garden. Oh, the potato, They were, they're delicious but they, you don't get, seem to get that much for the space, Uh-huh. they, they do. It takes a, yeah, it does take some space. Some beet, uh, potatoes Yeah. and I've got some tomatoes still growing, in, in containers, Uh-huh. I see. I got to wait for a place to, to, to free up. Uh-huh. Uh, our, our kids love pickles and we all love pickles so we're going to try to grow our own pickles this year. Uh-huh. That will be neat,
yeah. We've got some good, um, um, Hybrid Burpee uh uh, pickler cucumbers Uh-huh. and we're going to try to see if we can pickle our own That will be neat, yeah. Absolutely, they're expensive. I know it. I said, why are they so expensive they're just a bunch of little cucumbers, you know? I don't know unless it, labor intensive or something. I really, don't know. I guess. But we're going to try that, and see how that works. That will be interesting. An experiment. Yeah. I'd like to try, you know, just try something new, every year that, I haven't tried before Sure. Yeah.
and, That's interesting. Well. Well, I'll let you go it's, All right. Okay, are you on an exercise program now or, Yeah, I exercise pretty regularly. Uh-huh. I lift weights quite a bit. Uh-huh. Um, I run occasionally. Let's see what else do I do. Play golf some, and I work out on a, on a hanging bag. I'm brown belt in karate, so I keep up with that a little bit. Uh-huh. Oh, yeah.
How about you. Um, the only exercise program I'm doing right now is walking. Uh-huh. I've got a nine month old, and I'm four months pregnant with my second, and so, at the time, walking seems to be the best. It's something I can do with her, plus, um, doesn't tax me too physically. Uh-huh. I have enjoyed aerobics in the past, and I enjoy that because I like the group association, you know, like exercising with other people. Yeah. And, um, and that's my favorite way to exercise. Well, that's neat. Yeah, I do walk some too. My wife's about five months along Oh. so she's been walking quite a bit, so that is a good exercise for that. Yeah,
it's nice to do it together, too, I guess. Uh-huh. My husband and I use to walk together, but our schedules don't coincide as well as they used to, and so, we very seldom get together to walk but, when you, when you work out, do you pretty much do it on your own schedule, or do you go to groups or, I, I do it on my own schedule. Uh-huh. We used to try and belong to clubs or the Y, stuff like that, but it was so difficult to go on a regular basis, to drive the distance you have to go. Uh-huh. Save the fees, we've, uh, just save the fees and buy some of our own equipment. So, And then you can do it whenever you want I guess. Yeah, I've got a weight bench, and we got my wife an exercise bike,
and I use that sometimes too. Uh-huh. It's a little more convenient, but, you're, I guess you're not as dedicated if you don't drive over to do it. I guess it depends on the person, depends on how motivated you are. Uh-huh. Because my husband used to work out three days a week with, uh, at the Texas Instruments gym. Uh-huh. And then I would just go on Saturdays. But, since the first of the year neither one of us have been going. Yeah. So, I guess, like I say, we've been paying these fees and not going, so it's kind of a waste of money if you don't take advantage of it. Yeah, I think you really have to be disciplined. Yeah. I, uh, I try to work out at least a couple of times a week, and I think you really have to, at least twice a week, just to maintain the shape that you're in. Yeah. With the walking, I think they said you need to walk at least twelve miles a week for it to be aerobically beneficial.
Uh-huh. And we, I have two friends, that we walk. They have babies that are about the same ages as, as mine, and we've been walking every morning at, going when it was cold we would go to the mall because you can't take the babies out very easily. Yeah. So we, when we go, we have about, do about fifteen miles a week, but the last little while, for one reason or another, we haven't been real consistent. So it's a little harder when you're depending on other people to do it with you because you have to meet their schedules as well, Uh-huh. but but I enjoy doing it more when I've got other people with me. Sure. You know, I usually do it because I want to, because I know it's good for me, not because, I don't feel obligated to do it. I enjoy it. If I feel too obligated to do it, I start to rebel, and I won't be as consistent with it. Yeah, I understand. Did you exercise between your first child and your second?
I exercised pretty well up until I found, uh, until I was pregnant, and I started having pains. So I've calmed down everything except, I was working out doing aerobic exercises as well as the, um, walking, Yeah. And I had to stop the aerobics because it was just kind of painful. But the T I rec center has an aerobics program for, for, um, prenatal and postnatal aerobic type thing. Um. And I was going to wait until, um, about my sixth month and then start that. I did that with the second baby, and, um, I went to my exercise class one day, and then she was delivered the next day. Gosh. So, it would seem to be real beneficial. Uh-huh, yeah. Maybe it, maybe it speeded up the process and all that. Well I think it made parts of it a lot easier. And, and is this your first that you're having? Uh-huh. Oh, okay,
well, then I don't know how much you've been through it, but I think parts of it made a lot easier. And, I've talked to a lot of ladies that exercise with one pregnancy and didn't with the other, and they said that they had that the one they had exercised with was three or four times easier. Really. And we've, I had, having both of them natural, the first one was natural and going natural the second, and, and it's, it's rough but it's not as bad as I thought it would be, and I think the exercise helped. Well, that's good. So, do you work with T I? No, I don't. My, my wife has been working with them. Oh, okay, well then she could go if she were interested. Uh-huh. I think, that's what the class that meets on Saturday mornings. So she could find out if she wanted to go.
It's kind of fun because with the first pregnancy all the other ladies except one were on their first pregnancy, and they would talk about exercise and just general things relating to the birthing process. And so for us it was educational as well as exercise beneficial. So, At least its something you enjoy. I know a lot of people that talk about exercise and say, Well, I don't want to exercise, it's too much work. But there's a lot of different things you can do that are enjoyable that you don't have to strain yourself or sweat or be real sore afterwards. That's right. Yeah. And sometimes if you get a little soreness you feel like, Well I've done a good job because I got, worked myself to that point. But I guess that you don't want to overdo. But well have we reached our limit? I'm not sure how long we've been talking but, Yeah, I think we've talked about six minutes or so. Okay, well it's been good talking to you. Been good talking to you as well. Okay,
I hope your baby goes well comes out well. Thanks. Yours too. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Okay, well what do you think? Well, I'm kind of leaning towards, I don't know, I'm thinking about what, from one to ten what my no would be. It would probably be somewhere closer to, uh, less control because I don't see, I'm not a member of the N R A although my, father is. Uh-huh. But, I guess I believe, I think the N R A has gone overboard the wrong way. You know, Yeah. they're sitting there on number ten, they're saying absolutely no gun control, we don't even want to think about it and, and I think that's a dumb, situation. Yeah. Because there has got to be some kind of background check to see, that the people who are buying a gun are buying it for a useful purpose, you know, if, if you're going to hunt with it, or if you're going to do sport shooting you can wait a week. Uh-huh. Right.
That's true. It's not a big deal for them to go. If they're can check your drivers license every time you get a ticket, you know, I mean, they should be able to go back and find out if you've had any kind of psychiatric record, armed, you know, felony record. Right. That's true. any of that kind of stuff. And, it seems to me right now that there's not, there's not that much of a check. I, I'm not really sure what Texas law, I think there's a check for felonies, on your record. Right. But, If the gun shop owner does it, Uh-huh. you know, but, Yeah, but he has to go out and do it. That's true, I think, Yeah, if, and if it's a private sale, of course, then there's nothing. Right. And, see that's my only problem with, uh,

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