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And I was walking, and it got kind of dark. Uh-huh. And I was by myself, and there was this fellow in this truck that kept circling the block. Ooh. And, so I, I kind of got frightened, and I kind of use that as an excuse. All I have to do, is start earlier, but. Right. I haven't walked since, so. It's always easy to fi...
Um, well, I try to. Um, I started at the beginning of this year, I decided all right, I'm going to start exercising again, I'm going to be real good, and I went through the T I fitness center and registered for the, uh, aerobics classes there. Uh-huh. And they run for two months at a time. And you have to, you do have ...
and I got, uh, caught up with a class I was taking at T I, and then I was having to work some real late hours to get caught with my work after I got out of class. Uh-huh. And then I went to Colorado Springs the next week to do some training at the T I up there. And so that was two weeks I had missed, and, boy, I tell y...
you just have to stick with it. Oh, yeah. I think I've been two maybe three times the month of April, and this session is about to run out. Now I signed up for a different one now that's only two nights a week because I am getting kind of into a real busy schedule as far as teaching a lot of training classes and some o...
I'll just start fresh next week. But, I better better do it. And I think another thing is that my friend that was taking with me the first two months wasn't the second two months. She started taking tennis lessons, and so I haven't had that extra motivation, of, of us forcing each other, or not forcing each other but e...
Uh-huh. She just enjoys it so much. And I don't. Yeah. I'm the same way. I feel good after I do it, but I hate it when I'm doing it. Yeah. You know, I just, I don't enjoy it at all, and she just loves it. So. Even when she doesn't go to the health club, she runs, you know. Uh-huh. And, it's a daily thing for her. So, i...
and I have an older sister that loves running, too, and she runs all the time, but at, to me, it's every minute's agony, and I, in fact, I don't run. I hate to run. Uh-huh. Like when I walk I'll take along a radio or something and that helps, you know, pass the time. Right. Yeah, walking is kind of boring. I do have a ...
and you can kind of talk, and, and it, it makes it pass pretty quickly, and the aerobics isn't too boring. I kind of enjoy it when I'm doing it. Um, it's a lot more fun than some other things I could do, I guess. Yeah, yeah. But, uh, I do, I do have to make myself go, and of course while I'm doing it I feel pretty good...
it's amazing how much better I feel. Yeah. And then just in general, I sleep a lot better Yeah, that's right. and I just feel much better. I mean, I've been kind of dragging the last few weeks, and I know if I would just get around to exercising I'd feel better. Exactly it does, it gives you energy. But my dragginess i...
Yeah, it really is. Yeah, I find, too, that I have more energy when I exercise, and, you know, it's silly not to, but, I don't know, it's just a put off. I don't know why I don't do more, and I, and I know that it's good for my health. I know, you know, from everything that you read and you see on television now, exerc...
I don't really feel like going in the grocery store all sweaty or running errands. Yeah. So it kind of kills the evening for doing errands. So I think a Tuesday Thursday might be a little bit better. Yeah. Of course, I feel like once I've done it, if I'm sweaty I might as well do an extra thirty minutes because you've ...
So hopefully. Yeah, yeah, it's right there, and it's, they have a really nice facility at the T I. They've got two different aerobics rooms, they have the mirrors. Of course, sometimes you don't like to see the mirrors on the wall you don't like to see how you work. But, I guess, sometimes it kind of motivates you to r...
And just the fact that I can go straight from my desk over to the, the recreation center and do it helps a lot. Uh-huh. Yeah, I can see that would be, uh, easy. They make it as easy as they possibly can for you. Oh, yeah Well, um, do a lot of people take advantage of it? Quite a few do. They have probably, ooh, I'd say...
I've never done that one before. But. Oh, you have a pool there, too? Uh-huh. Oh, how nice. They've got an olympic pool, and, and basketball courts and sand volleyball. They've got the full weight room and, uh, the locker rooms with, uh, a jacuzzi and sauna and the shower facilities, and hair dryers, and all the, you k...
You can get a fitness membership that allows you to use the facilities, and it's about eight dollars a month. Oh, that's not bad. No, not at all Huh-uh. Pretty cheap. Um. And then the aerobics cost extra even if you have the fitness membership, but, I think the aerobics classes are even pretty reasonably priced, from w...
Seems like it takes so long between conviction and carrying out the penalty that I don't see that it makes any difference to sentence anybody. Yeah, it seems like they could die of old age waiting to get the death penalty. Yeah. Yeah, I know what you mean. Um, I, in Maryland they, they do have capital punishment, Uh-hu...
Yeah, what's amazing is some of them have been on death row for a number of years. Uh-huh. And, uh, here in Maryland I know we have a real problem with overcrowding in prisons, uh, just, Yeah, everybody's got that. Yeah, but I mean, in, here it's, uh, to the point where they were letting prisoners go. Uh, commuting the...
Uh, may, it may not have been Maryland. It may have been Massachusetts, I don't remember. Um, I don't remember myself. Anyway, well the question is, you know, do you think, it does make a difference in whether or not a criminal commits a crime or do you think it can if it's done right? Um, I think if they, if they star...
or, or they don't serve very much of the time and so, uh, you know, their, their success rate is very high. Crime does pay, you can make a good living at it. Yeah, yeah, and there's, uh, there's a lot of people here in Baltimore that, uh, have and we just had, uh, a real big cocaine bust, and of course, you know, they'...
I mean if you murder a guy because he murdered your partner or something like that, I mean pretty soon you run out of people to murder. Yeah, the only consolation is so many of the murders are, you know, the, the violent people going against each other and so they, you know, society's not going to put them to death, we...
Yeah, you know, it makes sense, um, you know, you have the occasional person who may have been falsely accused, but I mean, uh, so few and far between, uh, you know, makes good T V movies and that's about it. Yeah, and, and also, um, the, the thing I don't like about a lot of these court trials and a lot of these appea...
Of course he didn't die. Uh-huh. And, uh, this was during a holdup of a, uh, uh, a restaurant and it came out during the trial that, um, they had tried to rob another place and, uh, when the guy came out with the bag they thought was money, it turned out to be a couple cookies, and, uh, you know, jumbo cookies and, and...
So what was the verdict, what was the results there. Oh, he was found guilty, yeah. Oh. He, uh, um, last I heard, he, uh, he beat a push for the death penalty. Now whether they finally got it or not, I don't know. Uh-huh. I kind of, uh, stopped listening after a while. Uh-huh. Um, you know, he would come home and, and,...
Uh-huh. And that's, you know, that's the way they wanted to do it. And he was surprised because he thought there was going to be a problem because he, uh, you know some people on the case were, were a little hesitant on convicting him on some of the charges but I mean when it all came down, they just, within an hour de...
Uh-huh But I mean there's, there's, there's a lot of other crimes out there, I mean besides murder, I think, uh, now if you're dealing drugs now, caught more than twice or something, uh, it, there's, uh, a death penalty associated with it. Uh-huh. Yeah. Well the thing I'd be most likely to attach the death penalty to...
Yeah, I agree, I, I've, I have, uh, a low tolerance for that kind of, uh, that kind of person. And, uh, as far as, uh, you know there are some, some other crimes that I think, uh, you know, uh, kidnapping, um, you know, when they, I mean kidnapping per se has a certain, uh, uh, fine and penalty associated with it, Uh-h...
and I'm not really sure that, that we've gotten our money's worth there, uh, regardless of the outcome of the Desert Storm, uh, Desert Shield, uh, situations. Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh, I guess my particular beef is that having participated in the military off and on over the, over the years of being called back and things of ...
and they used up two thousand of them in, in the war, so they're going to have to do another contract to restock that, to get ready in case something else is needed. Yeah, but, it, it, it, would that be, uh, well, let's see, two thousand out of eleven thousand, that's about a little over twenty per cent. Uh, I, I shoul...
that that that was just a matter of, Oh, what is the name of that? Uh, it's called Paveway. Yes, yes. And, uh, a big percentage of that was used up during that conflict also. So those are two areas in which T I stands to, to gain some, some short term business to restock that. Yeah, well, uh, I'm, what I'm, uh, I guess...
Oh, no doubt. I, I, I don't know, uh, I I'm familiar with some, some upbeat school areas, so I don't totally agree with the, the great, uh, uh, with the, with the great expenditure of effort and time there, but I guess overall, because I guess I'm not associated with what ghetto schools, and, and, uh, and, uh, rural sc...
So, Sounds like the way the federal and state system works now. Really. Yeah. So, so what ended up happening was, was a, was a shift. We went to sixty-five per cent state funding to sixty-five per cent local funding in a matter of four years. And, uh, I mean, Oh, complete, complete. It's all shifted to local districts,...
What, but, uh, when I look at it to me, uh, it doesn't really make any difference. It was a marvelous opportunity that I couldn't have done, I don't think I would have gone on, unless I had that financial uh, easement made possible. Yeah. That's right. And I, I don't really care what it takes to qualify, whether you're...
I don't know what that would be. Yeah, they had to, they had to raise, uh, community college taxes here, a few years ago. But that, uh, I guess that goes along with the general idea that the federal government had to, uh, was expending so much money on defense, uh, that, that the program now is a, uh, program now is, u...
Yeah, yeah. I'm not sure that I'm not up fairly close to that. Well, I guarantee you, you'd be paying a lot more in taxes if, uh, the Democrats had more say. You really think so? Yeah, I really do. But I mean, what's, what's happened here is, is, is I feel that, that in the last ten years, uh, my taxes have gone up, th...
Okay, uh, I guess I just push something here. Push one again, right? No, you just, uh, we just say, say good-bye and that's it. Just hang up. Okay, Don, good talking with you. Nice talking with you, too. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Um, I think life, uh, now I grew up on a farm, I don't, what kind did you grow up in the farm. I g...
so I really had mixture of suburb, and urban living. Uh-huh. Yeah. I think though it was much slower and, uh, much more self-contained. I think you're right. It's interesting I'm, um, I work in a high school. Uh-huh. So, uh, I'm comparing my life when I was in high school thirty years ago to what I see these children ...
Uh-huh, uh-huh. It wasn't, it didn't occur to nobody to worry that anything would happen to me they were, And you, you didn't, you didn't have to lock your door. No, no. And, uh, a some of these are urban worries but, uh, it's, uh, it's a lot different all though I guess twenty years a go now, in this area, things were...
we were living in New Jersey. Uh, in, twenty years ago. Uh-huh. Whereabouts? In Allendale . Uh-huh. And, uh, I use to have to go over to Patterson when those riots were going on, at sometimes. Uh-huh. Um, I don't know though it's, it's kind of hard to really know because of though the news media had those riots, uh, k...
That's what, yeah, well. Yeah, but, you know, it's, it is interesting, uh, they're so many they're different kind of dangers that face young people now and social pressures, uh, the pressures of drug is so much, the prevalence is so much greater, Uh-huh. the, the kinds of diseases that you've got out the, uh, um, Uh-hu...
Yes, and, if you don't have some kind of, of basic believe or something down inside of you, then it's very difficult to, uh, have anything to turn to, when you got, when you've got something facing you like that. Uh-huh. That's true. I also being involved in the school system see so many of the problem children comin...
No. That's right. Oh. and you're, you get mixed signals so it's, it's not always the school's systems I think a lot of, No, there's so much more, then that it starts, very much deeper then that yeah. I think that too. I see some flickers of, of, uh, of good directions turning, No . but whether they're soon enough and f...
factory jobs are so much more, um, uh, sophisticated. Yeah, that's right. And the kinds of knowledge that, uh, you know, it, it's requiring an increasingly sophisticated labor force and, some people just don't have it. Right. And there's so much, so, so many people on the lower end of those who, who are going to be th...
but, It was a little easier though wasn't it? Uh, yeah, just the volume makes a big difference, Yes. I think as, uh, as, uh, mother you know, I use to think sometimes it's not so much, uh, it's not so much the kids, it's just the volume of it, to try to keep all wash done and all the things done and, you know, and eve...
I always thought too that, you know, people worrying about going to work when their child, when their children are little and I, and I think that's sad if they have to because they miss so much, but I, I believed after having a few teenagers that the worst time you could go, to go work was when they were teenagers. Th...
as to what's but that's the same I'm home in the summers, I'm home with the holidays, Yeah, that's, I'm home at three o clock when the children are at home or where home, Yeah. one is now a senior in high school and the other's in college, Well, and, uh, But that helps a lot, It's, uh, it, uh, it does, I have a daughte...
and, uh, and so I, , you know, good kind of experience as well but, uh, Well I, I think that's really important I don't think people realize how important it is. That's, that is, that is so true, Yeah, uh, and it's not that always that the children always say something but every once in awhile they'll come up and make ...
Uh-huh. Okay. And your name was? Well I think probably that we've just about Well I enjoyed, talking with you. I'm going to, change the world but, uh, Well, I enjoyed talking with you. Yes, it's nice talking to you, too. Okay. Bye now. Bye-bye. There we are. very Yes . Tell me, what are some of the things that you di...
so we would go to the football field and set off model rockets I have two boys also Uh, my children are, um, are swimmers, and so as they were growing up much of, uh, our, um, normal life outside of school and everything uh, revolved around their swimming. Uh-huh. So, in order to have a reason for being there, especial...
one is in college, also swims in college, and the other will continue to swim in college, and they're fortunate, they even made nationals. Oh, wonderful! Oh that's great! And so we would drive up to see that when whenever it was reasonably close, but, we did a lot of things, um, and we tried to do things both together ...
so our whole family, we take family trips to different places to visit fish stores or go to fish shows, so My goodness, uh. Well, we didn't have any, uh, avid, uh, activities like that, they, they were interested in a lot of things, but nothing to quite that depth, I guess. But, we would, I don't think we've, we've mis...
Oh, really . and, so we did, you know, we did try, Yeah. and of course we learned too. Yeah. But, uh, and, uh, I don't know, I, uh, when they were very young I did not work. Yeah, well, I started working half-time when, uh, they were at the nursery school. Uh-huh. But I yet. And I, I started working part-time when they...
Yeah. Well, uh, I think, it, uh, they need you in different ways. That's true, yeah. You want to be around for the crisis and things like that, and, but it's not quite so much the hand-holding and peanut butter and jelly making That's right. Um, yeah, that's, that's for sure. That's for sure, what do you, do you have a...
and my mother and I have talked about it, to how important it was when I came home from school. Um. It wasn't really conversation, but there were always things that just tumbled out. Yes. And, uh, uh, granted the child doesn't always think that they're sharing it, but it, when they, when it's not there they miss it. I ...
Yeah. Uh-huh. and when they do, there's a reason for it, that they're sharing it, Uh-huh. and you want to be at least I've wanted to be available, when they, for some reason, they had, they were bouncing something off of me. Because it was something that was bothering them or they were concerned about, Right. and it wa...
well, I did too. We were close to my, uh, maternal grandparents, I mean, just a few miles, and, uh, close enough to visit my paternal grandparents, you know, quite often. Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah. They were fifty miles away but, See, and we're, uh, that, we, I, I grew up with, you know every weekend there was some visiting s...
Uh-huh. and they saw them a lot, but they don't have any cousins, uh, or they didn't, Yeah. their, uh, their cousins are about ten years younger. Uh-huh. So, uh, they never played together or anything. Yeah. And there are only two of them and they didn't live in the same town. that the trend of, of families and time, w...
Uh-huh. and cousins and aunts and uncles, and we do, but it's, although it's not the same, we are, and that's part of, I think, teaching too, is what a family is like, because then how do they pattern their own? Well everyone makes its own model, but, uh, it seems that there should be some continuity, Yeah, Um. and it'...
And we have advent calendars still, from the time that they came, you know, to, Uh-huh. Ours finally disintegrated. Oh. We had a felt one that was it was a Christmas tree that had, uh, a little trinket for each day, that was pinned on the date, Oh, yes. That's, uh-huh. and then you took it off and put it on the tree, s...
and you wrap the present up, and I mean, the presents have gone from the days when they were very young to a little box of Band-Aids and an eraser and things, How cute. to today, where, um, sometimes I put a little gift if I see something that's, uh, occasionally a Christmas tree decoration which they will save for the...
yes, And that's, a lot of it is due to the fact that the mothers are on drugs. The yes, and the broken families. We, um, as I said, living in an area of Washington, D C. We definitely see this, uh, Uh-huh. and, uh, it's that grandmother figure, not only raising her own children, but raising, um, children from the stree...
Yeah. well, Myrna, how do you get your news, news? Uh, most of it is from the radio, uh, and also from the news programs that we watch in the afternoon. Uh-huh. Yeah. We usually watch the local news and the, the, uh, national news both. Uh-huh, yeah, I'm pretty much the same. I, uh, I find that, uh, I'm a graduate stud...
Uh-huh. That's right, yeah. So, it's so much easier to sit there and besides, I can be doing other things and still listen to the news. Yeah, that's right, I, I agree. That's, a lot of times I eat while I'm uh, watching the news. Yeah. Yeah, the same thing. Is there any, uh, what did you think about the coverage like o...
Some of the stations I guess carried it for twenty-four hours for a couple of days there and then, you know, the special reports and the extended news coverage I thought was really good. Uh-huh Yeah. And you could always find some channel that had something on but you didn't necessarily have to watch the same thing all...
Huh, well that's great. So, we can always run upstairs and, you know, get a quickie update on what's going on, if we really want to. Uh-huh. Yeah, or if you have a break in the middle of the day, you take a coffee break you can always stay informed. Yeah, yeah Yeah, that's really good. That's, um, I've found that when ...
Yeah, we don't get it either, we live out in the country, Uh-huh. and we just don't have it available out there where we are. But when we did have it, uh, we, that's what we usually watched, was C N N Uh-huh. and sometimes we'd watch the weather stations. Yeah, that's, uh, same, yeah, that's, when I had it, I, I watche...
I don't, so. So television is my main new source. Oh, I get that too, because I, I'm in a van pool, Uh-huh. and I'm in the van, you know, uh, two hours a day an. Oh really, to commute to work? Yes, yes. Oh. And in the, in the morning I try to sleep because it's, it's dark thirty. But in, but in the afternoon, uh, I try...
I, that's necessary. Yeah. Yeah. Are, are you in Baltimore itself? I am, I am right outside Baltimore. I am less than a mile from the Baltimore line. Um. And I go to a a campus of the University of Maryland that is just, less than a mile from my house. So I, I'm actually in Baltimore, yeah, you could say I'm in Baltimo...
one works for the State Department and, uh, uh, the other one is, uh, uh, her husband is in the Navy and he's stationed at Bethesda an. Uh-huh, oh that's, that's, that's a really nice area, Bethesda area. Uh-huh. Uh-huh, it's, um, it's funny, there's a big difference between Baltimore and Washington, even though they'r...
Yeah, that's, I, I like it, I like it a little bit better, too. It's interesting though, um, to meet different populations. I, I'm just now being, uh, from Pittsburgh originally, I'm just now meeting different populations like Chinese students and things and I find that really interesting, you know, to imagine, here is...
Uh-huh, yeah they, in fact they just, it was just a big thing recently they've had some terrible problems with Hispanics, um, they had to impose a curfew that, uh, in two of the areas in, uh, in the Washington suburbs. The mayor, they've gotten rid of that really bad mayor and then, uh, brought in, Uh-huh, I heard abou...
an, and it looks like hopefully she'll do a nice job, uh, for Washington, you know, which is, you sort of feel sorry for a lot of the people there. You know, from what I pick up on the news, uh, it's a difficult process, you know, to get rid of a, a bad mayor. Yeah, well I know both of my kids didn't want to live anywh...
Do they car pool in? Are they driven by themselves. Uh, well now, I, I think he carpools, Uh-huh. Because he's got fairly regular hours since he came back, but, uh, now my daughter they have probably been carpooling together, in fact, because she had been called back up, active duty. Uh-huh, yeah. And then she was supp...
but she had, she had called and left a message on our recorder but I had that from all my kids except for one. Yeah, oh, that's good. So. Well I guess we should stop now. Well I thank you for calling, I have enjoyed it. Uh-huh, oh good. I really do like this program because I get to talk to people from all over the Uni...
bye, bye. Okay. Well, I do not know. How big a city is Rome? I mean, you have heard about Dallas, and the crime here is pretty bad Well, Rome is pretty small But, uh, Yeah. I was going to say. we hear a lot about, uh, New York City. Uh-huh. There is a lot of crime down there. And I am, I am afraid to go down there beca...
Only to the airport. That is, uh, probably enough to see Um, are you in college right now? No. I am, I work at, for the Air Force. Oh, okay. So, there is a base up here. And, Are base, that's interesting concept. Are bases safe, you know? Bases are pretty safe because they check your I D on your way in. And, Yeah. The,...
Sure. Oh, great. That is wonderful. So, Yeah. Well, Dallas, uh, we lived in Minneapolis. Uh, we moved here about ten months ago. And Dallas is pretty, uh, well, we live in north north Dallas which is like a suburb, near a suburb called Plano. So we are out of the city, but it is, uh, it is bad everywhere in terms of, u...
But they are still bars That makes it bad for getting out during a fire. Yeah. It really does. And if you are a little bit claustrophobic but, uh. I do not know, I mean the jails are crowded. I, I, I am not a criminal justice specialist, so I do not know what, you know, what can be done. I am, you know, I do not, I do ...
Oh. And it was really disgusting. And my mom was like, "They should just be all shot right now." And I mean, you Were they teenagers or? Uh, Like that girl in New York that got beat up by, you know, when she was jogging in Central Park, a couple of years ago? Yeah. Yeah. Um, They were not, I think they were early twent...
How deprived could they be if they had a camcorder? Those are a thousand bucks. Yeah. Unless they stole it. And I mean, that is one big thing down here. I mean, they have like, uh, and they are not all young. I mean, they are eighteen to twenty-four, some of the young men and women. But, I mean, you can, you can see th...
And the child had, and he, they said that he was twelve years old, and he had, uh, he had not, uh, displayed any tendencies deviant or disturbed or whatever, you know. Yeah. And you are thinking to yourself, um. I wonder where, I know. I do not know. I wonder where he gets it? You know, you must, I think T V is bad. Be...
so the kids are off to their own devices a lot. Right. And discipline. I do not know how your folks were, but I mean I sure knew as heck when I was growing up that, uh, my parents were the superior and I was the subordinate. And, you know. It was sort of like there were boundaries. Oh, definitely. And I do not think, I...
That, you know, they kind of have an attitude that I I hate to to say it, but it's, that's just what it is. It is an attitude like the world owes them something. Yep. But, they, Right, I, I see that too in the Air Force. Do you? Oh, yeah. A lot of, uh, especially since a lot of us are engineers where I work. Are you in...
And that, you know, Right. and I am like, you are the one who signed up. If you did not want to do it. And, Right, right. And the Air Force is one of the bitter, better military, supposedly military experiences. Yep, it is. I mean, I like it a lot Pardon me? I like it so far. I mean, that is, are you going to be a care...
Probably not. But, uh, they pay for my college. So, That is the way to do it. I mean, and that's, you know, at least the Air Force is, I do not know, I just, uh, I am nervous in Dallas. I mean, I, you know, I mean, I go to like an aerobics class or something. And, I, you know, uh, seventy women in a Jazzercise class in...
or where they are at, you know. Yeah. And you never know who is watching, either. I mean, did you, I do not know, I was in the grocery store this morning. We, uh, went to New Orleans for four days and came back late last night, driving. And it is about seven hours. Huh-uh. Um, and that is a very, we had never been ther...
Oh, I would hate to be there during Mardi Gras. Let me tell, I would never, yeah. You just do not. Do not even bother. It is not worth it. Uh, the, when we came back, I do not know if you have seen. I was in the super market this morning and on the cover of TIME magazine, there is a girl, she is in Boston? She is on th...
she looked anguished. I mean, it was really just sad. I mean, did not pick it up and read it, but I should have. But I just looked at the picture and thought, what a world. I know I mean, I do not, yeah, You can't trust anybody. I do not have any, uh, cure, It is, it is really scary. No, you really can't. I mean, I, th...
And I think sometimes it is just, he and I are very different in terms of that. I, I mean, I basically have started not to trust anybody in general street smarts. Right. We, And, uh, he opened the door. I came downstairs and I was real upset and I probably got more nasty than I should have. But I just said, Howard, Uh-...
I used to work for a mortgage company that was owned by, uh, are you from Boston? Yeah. Home Owners Savings and Loan in Boston. Uh-huh. And I know I never felt, I mean, I have been to downtown New York City and I have been to downtown Boston. And I never felt any safer on Milk Street in Boston, staying at the Meridian,...
I think the handgun, I am not real big on guns myself. Uh-huh. So, I think our justice system needs to be stricter. I mean, because everyone, they do it I mean, Are the New York, uh, are the New York, I do not know how the New York state prison system is but, Are they booked up? Yeah. That is a way to put it, they are ...
Uh-huh. it is a lot of repeat crime. And you are like, why are they repeating? They should have been in there longer. Or, I know. And then you think, I mean, I I mean, I can remember, I have not been out of school that long, but it has been at least ten years. And you think to yourself, was it that bad back then? Or is...
And they were like, well, no one was going to miss him anyway, you know, and it like, Oh, god. ugh, that is horrible. How can you even think like that? it is, yeah, isn't it something? I mean, I, I have a, I am originally from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and I have a niece and nephew. And I just, uh, I mean my ten year o...
Yeah. Yeah. You know, stealing the hundred dollar jackets. Uh, I mean, it is I guess, it goes from the most petty like that to like what you were saying that they, in Boston. That is crime where they videoed. That is probably one of the most bizarre I have heard of. Yeah. Where they videotape themselves. Yeah. It seems...
Um, that isn't the same in the Washington area because we don't have any major, um, industry except for, uh, government and services. And the, the transportation situation is such that, uh, all the car pollution is, is absolutely awful. Um, also the worth of the hub of three airports in this general area there is, uh, ...
So so I'm quite concerned. I don't think it's involved any longer with, with, uh, hair sprays or those Yeah. Yeah. No, I think it's now, is what, uh, from what I understand it's air conditioning units and, and, we certainly turned into an air conditioned society. Uh-huh. Yeah, I know in Florida there's no place you go ...
yeah, yeah. and I guess refrigerators, are the same way. We just had the, They release that. That's right. So, solutions to this, would be Yeah. I, I, Well, you know, improved. Well, I guess the the, to me the first thing is I wish society would get as upset about this as you do get, getting people upset about animal ...
No, I think that it can be done simply because, uh, uh, we've, we've, every car now in America that's been produced for the past fifteen years has what they call a catalytic converter. Converter, yeah, uh-huh. And no lead gas was, came to the pumps. And, and that's been done. There's the lead pollution has, that proble...
Oh, yeah, well, That, you know, That, that, the, the smell is awful and but, you know, I was reading the other day not to go on with this but that, diesel fumes actually have less pollutants in them than gasoline fumes. Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh-huh, uh-huh. So, I guess you're better off sitting behind a bus than a car although...
I Uh, my daughters marched in the, uh, uh, against the Seabrook and I kind of, uh, my feelings were that we needed this bridge to, to, uh, to jump from whatever it was going to be, from fossil fuel to whatever it was going to be. Yeah. Yeah, you don't throw the baby out with the bath water, and condemning nuclear use. ...
within our family we have said, my husband, I have two sons, uh, well, one is already in college in New England, Yeah. and the other will be going in September, and we just feel that when we leave, uh, this area, we're going north, not south. Yes. Uh, I like the mentality north, and I also like the fresher air up there...

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