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So. Well, and it, it, you know, but I I, I, I wish you could find a good Mother's Day Out because that would be good for your peace of mind also. Yeah, I need to. Even for just a couple days a, mornings a week or something to have something like that, Yeah. so I, I think I'm going to look for that. Remind me of that now that you mention it Yeah. Yeah. and that's not that big a deal, you know. Yeah. For a couple times And that's usually like, you know, I don't know when mine were going to Mother's Day Out, it was like from nine to three so that was a pretty good pretty good time, you know. Yeah.
My baby-sitter would take them and then pick them up. Yeah So, that worked out real good. That's sounds good. Well, I'm tickled to death. I hope you find something and it was good talking to you. Well, thanks. Did we cover everything we need to? Well, I guess. Okay. It said child care criteria Okay. and I think we both listed an experience Yeah. Okay. Well, great. Well, thanks a lot. You have a good day. And you too.
Bye-bye Bye Okay. I was thinking about camping and different people's ideas about it. Uh-huh. We've even seen people with these campers and they got the big old antennas up so they can watch their T V when they're going. Right or their satellite dish That's not, Yeah A satellite dish? On top of the recreational vehicles. Oh, golly! That's not the kind we do. Do you go camping? Yeah. We have a little bit and we've just gotten one of those little tents that we throw out on the ground and that's what we camp in. So we kind of rough it.
Well, so do we. In fact, when we first got married, we would try to take these trips to Minnesota to see his family Uh-huh. and we didn't have a tent or any camping supplies so we'd sleep on those picnic tables at roadside parks. Oh no. I mean, I know it's dangerous, I wouldn't do it now but we did And one time we went to Yellowstone and we were doing the same thing. We couldn't find a place to camp and so we were on top of a picnic table with our, our sleeping bags I guess. And this ranger comes up with this light, shines it on us and said that we're just bear bait out there. We had our food you know. and told us to get inside our car. Oh. Uh-huh. Gosh. Bear bait Bear bait. That would make me nervous Yeah.
Have you done any camping around here? Yeah. We've got some land at Holly Lake outside of Tyler. Uh-huh. And we go up there fairly often Sometimes we get a lot of people together to do it. Yeah. That sounds fun. And we've done things like when, when it's kind of cold. We take extension cords and we've all got heaters in our tents. And in the Summer Same thing, we get our extension cords running from all these tents but we've got the fans going. Right So we're not roughing it too much. Yeah. And we have taken T V out there for the kids Yeah. And they've got their electrical hookups.
So it's not so bad. Yeah. Do you go on long? Like a week at a time or just weekends? I think the longest we've stayed out there is like five days. Uh-huh. And they even, they had a library at one time out there. Oh. So that's really not roughing it so much but we have gone on trips where we bathed in streams. Yeah. Uh-huh. That's kind of different. Yeah I like the campgrounds that have a nice shower And a pool to go to. Uh-huh. That would be nice. Yeah. We've, uh, we camped at the DeGray State Park in Arkansas. In the Fall
Uh-huh. and there was nobody else, hardly, around and it was just really nice, that time of year. We had taken our electric, blanket too, just in case it was unbearable but we didn't need it Yeah . Well my husband has even camped at Lake Lavon with one of his friends Oh really? he just decided to take the kids out there. Yeah. I mean it's not very many miles from our house at all. But they had the time of their lives, you know. Oh, yeah Had the boat just pulled up right by the tents. Uh-huh. It wasn't bad. That sounds nice. Yeah. And we've taken, our tents though, loaded them up in car carrier and decided we were going to tent most of the way. And it ended up, when it came time for us to pull in for the night, we'd take a vote.
And most of the time we decided we wanted to stay in a hotel. Yeah. Instead of getting out all that stuff, you know. Yeah, it's a lot of work to set up just for one night. Yeah. Then you have to get up the next day and move it on. Right Huh-uh. But we're set now. We've got cook stoves and we've got our bug light and everybody's got their sleeping bags, we got air mattresses. We decided that was easier than cots and more comfortable. Yeah. Those are nice, we have one of those, too. Yeah. Those double ones?
Uh-huh. Pretty good. We're on our third one I think. Somehow, Yeah. How do you blow yours up? We've got an electric pump that hooks into the cigarette lighter. Oh. we were looking at those in a magazine. Last time we went, we took our vacuum cleaner with us I didn't know you could do that. And, yeah, you can, if you can reverse the, nozzle on your vacuum cleaner Yeah. and it blows air out instead of sucking it in and you can fill them up that way but something that's smaller would be a lot more convenient. No joke I hope you didn't have a big vacuum cleaner. No. Uh-huh.
We have a, my husband and I, we have a pickup truck so there's plenty of room to hold things. Yeah. Now we've used a hair dryer before. Uh-huh. But I put it on hot and also melted it. Oh no I found that you don't do that. Yeah. I didn't realize it would melt so easily. Oh. I don't know. We take, we take our dog camping. She likes to go out and stay in the woods. Yeah. She sleeps, she sleeps in the tent with us. It's fun I don't like it when there's mosquitos so bad. Oh, me either. And then one night we were camping
and it came, just a torrential downpour. We had the steaks on the grill. These people were with us. And it, , I mean everything was sopping wet inside the tent. It was just that bad, you know Oh no. And we decided we'd just go across the road to the office and see if we could rent anything. Uh-huh. So I got a condo with a jacuzzi and it was wonderful. Oh boy Yeah. That was lucky. Yeah, it was. We've been lucky. We've never really been rained on the few times we've gone. It's horrible. Oh I bet it, when we were younger, when I was a kid, we camped in Virginia
and we had one of those little pop up tents, which is really nice because it kind of gets you off the ground. But it seemed like it rained every weekend for about a the year we were really into camping. You mean that you put on a truck or what? No. It's a little trailer you pull behind your car and, uh, you know, you, the lid pops off, Oh yeah, yeah. the little tent comes up the top Uh-huh. and it had two double beds in it. with How many weeks have you been doing these calls? Oh, since the beginning. I guess it's been two or three weeks. I think this must be into my third week too. So do you work for T I? Uh, well, I work as a temporary in the Speech Lab. In a Speech Lab? Uh-huh. Where they're doing this program. The Voice Recognition Program.
And what exactly are they going to do? Oh, they turn them over to somebody and they're going to, I guess they're going to try to teach computers how to recognize voices and search for specific words and stuff. So any voice, no matter what the speech pattern or the dialect or anything. Right. Yeah. Um. I wonder if these are going to be speaking The computers, I don't know. I type up the tapes of what people talked about. Oh, that's kind of neat. Yeah, it's sort of interesting. Do you put all the uh-huhs in here on everything, too. Uh-huh. Everything like that. All the little stutters and everything. What do you write for stutter? That, uh, Like if they say I, I, we just type it in like that. Uh-huh.
Well, I guess that's it for camping, uh I guess so unless you want to talk about stakes. What size stakes to put in You need metal instead of plastic. Yeah. And you make sure that you keep up with them for the next time. Yeah. We got one of those kind that have got the, oh what is it? They're plastic and they've got the elastic on the inside of the poles and you just put them together. Oh, uh-huh. That's what we have, too. And it's a dome tent. Yeah, that's what ours is. That's good isn't it Yeah, yeah,
they pop up pretty fast. Yeah. Have you ever camped on sand? Um, no. That can be a mess. We camped at the beach one time and that was sort of miserable. You just everywhere you went there was sand. You couldn't, even when you're eating, it, it was in your bed I've done it in a shelter. Uh-huh. It was in Padre Island and in a truck off Corpus, not, but not in a tent. Oh. Uh-huh. Oh well, that's about all . Okay. Okay .
Well, it's good talking to you. Uh-huh. Bye. Bye. Get us going. Okay. Are, are you at T I Austin or, Well, I left T I in January but I signed up for this before I did. Oh, that's great. No, uh, uh, my daughter has talked to, my daughter up here with us, I have another one, and she's talked to students, uh, so I guess they have, uh, sent this to their customers and people in colleges and things. So they're, if you're a computer user, so my daughter has talked to two students, uh, that were non, T I Oh, I think that's a, that's a good idea.
So I guess, Oh, yeah. All right. we're on finances, have you, have you retired or, uh, Oh, no, no, no, no Oh. Actually I left T I, um, had basically set my sights to leave T I when they announced there would be no salary increases in ninety-one, because I, I definitely need to make a little more money, Oh, yeah. and, uh, I haven't really accomplished that yet, but I'm trying. Oh, yeah, it's, uh, that's, the finances, I guess we're on the subject of finances, it is tough.
Uh, I've been with T I, I'm just going to be fifteen years this year and, and that's a tough thing, uh, the salary thing. T I doesn't quite always do it right. Well, what about our, our, our financial budget. Well, you, you should have a lot of information on a budget, then, if you're, uh, I wish I did. I, I hope you're, you're a person who does things better than, I, I don't have a budget. That's one of my goals for this year is to try to get myself in a good, oh, long-range planning budget mode. Um, I'm a single mom and I've been just, uh, trying to get, Well, you, you, you deserve an honor for that, a gold star for that, I guess Thank you, it's nice to have someone understand that. Right, sure. how about yourself, do you have a budget you live by? Well, I guess I do,
I do have a long-term budget I got a daughter in college and one going to be in college so that, I've been thinking about that for quite a while. Now monthly, no. I'll tell you a funny story about budgeting, and I've been married twenty-six years and I did, you know, that the macho thing, the man always did the bills for, I don't know, fifteen years or more, Uh-huh. and I got so sick of it, trying to balance the budget, uh, one, and I always tried to show my wife, you know, here's how you, once a year I'd say, here's how you do the budget in case I get sick, or here's how you do the checks, you know. Right. One day I gave her the checkbook and I said, I'm not doing this anymore. You do it, you learn it, and I've been happy ever since. Well, that's great.
How about your, She does it all now for about ten years, and I don't even, she complains to me about it, she threatens me to give it back to me, and I said, I've been a happy man since I haven't, fooled with that checkbook, you know Oh. So I know it's a big pain to try to do that. It really is. It, it really is. You know, that was always a, a major problem in our marriage. What I have always identified is I am basically good with money. It, I don't really need a budget to tell me not to spend it. I, think that comes from never having enough. Right. You know, I'm always afraid of I'm going to need some and where will it be. Right, oh, yeah. So, um, no, I, I've, I've finally worked myself into a spot where I can budget.
When I, when I was first divorced, I had, um, I sat down and budgeted and I had outgo that was much higher than what I had coming in. Yes, I think, uh, that that is a tough, uh, we all, seems to seems to be that way. I tried to hang onto a house that was way too expensive for me, and, and so now that I've gotten, you know, I lost the house. Now that I've gotten past that, I can sit down and say, okay, Yeah. this is the reality. This is how much money I have each month. The scary thing is, as far as long term, I don't have anything. I don't know if you have an I R A or, uh, you know, and I've got two girls, also, and I haven't saved anything for their college and, Yeah, that's, you need to do that. I'll, I'll, I'll give you a hint. I don't know if you're a a radio talk, uh, person listener. Do you listen to radio talk shows?
Sometimes I have. Listen to Bruce Williams, uh, for financial advice. Uh-huh. He's on, oh, I don't know what he's going to be in Austin. He's on five seventy here. oh, he's nationally famous. He's a college graduate type guy. He's been in all, he's an entrepreneur and he gives very practical financial advice about cars, very, you know, not, not nothing college level, basic stuff. His name is Bruce Williams, he's on national radio. Uh, I don't know, what it would be down there. You might want to, whatever your radio talk shows are down there, he's on that channel. It's, uh, it's five seventy up here. Well, I'll check that out. Uh-huh.
And I'd listen to talk shows for everything, for gardening and everything, just when I'm doing chores, and, uh, he gives a wealth of information, very practical stuff You've learned a lot. and, and he will help you avoid a lot of little things, uh, financially. Well, that's, that's good to know how, Yeah, there, there's a lot of advice out there for how to get a budget. And I, I'm not expert, again, because, I don't really do it monthly. Uh-huh. Well, you must have done something. You're, you're helping your children in school and you're you know. Right. I did start a college fund. I'm not, uh, I have one again at U T down there now, her first year, Uh-huh. and she's almost gone through her whole college fund, you know Excuse me, Jim, could you hold on? I have someone at the door.
Sure, go ahead. I'll be right back. Sure. in Thank you. I think we might have just screwed up the computer but we'll find out. Oh, no, yeah, right , they give us ten minutes, uh. Oh. Uh, the only advice I give you on college would be, there's a lot of scholarship money out there. My daughter got a little bit, not much, only first year she got about two thousand dollars worth, and you ought to, well, as your daughters approach the college age, uh, start finding out about the scholarship monies because there is a lot of money out there and, uh, And, and how did your daughter get scholarship money on? Uh, band. She got, you know, five hundred dollars at a, at a clip through bands, through leadership. Uh, there's all kinds of civic organizations that will give you, you know, one shot money.
Uh, you get a president's award if you're, you're in, in high school doing this up by, here in Arlington. Uh, there's a lot of, and, of course, you, if you, you score high on the S A T, you can get, you know, two thousand a year, you know, or more. Uh-huh. Wow. You can get yearly money as long as you keep up your grades. She, she did very well in school and, uh, but she only got first year money. She got about two thousand dollars. It was only five hundred, dollars at a clip from this organization. Uh-huh. We called. There were, there were two or three people, there was some little civic organization in Dallas that gave money away and only two or three people applied. She applied and got five hundred dollars from that. Wow, So, look into that bit, oh, I'm definitely going to be actively looking into that.
The year that they graduate, you know, before, though, you know, while they're graduating , there's all kinds of little bitty money that little clubs will give away, churches and everything, and they don't even have a dozen applicants because, uh, uh, the kids are going off after the big money. Uh-huh. Uh, of course, you have to have some sort of record in high school, uh, of, of achievement and everything, but sometimes it's just, uh, like our band gave money away. We're a band booster club. We gave, we give, uh, two five hundred dollar scholarships just to kids, uh, who we think were worthy, you know so, There's money out there. Well, that's great to know. Yeah, that's good. Go ahead, you can talk. I, I don't want to, I want to chew up the whole line here. Oh, well, you're doing, you're doing just fine, and, and, uh, actually I, when I talk I usually like to ask a lot of questions. I was wondering what you do at T I. Oh, I'm an engineer. I'm, uh, in fact, I'm working the night because of the cutbacks and everything.
Uh, my job, there were three managers jobs that were just dissolved and so they put me on nights. I, I call this my recession job. Oh, goodness. And I'm working nights just kind of covering, uh, shutdown equipment and everything, and just being available, here. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I don't mind. Uh, it beats being laid off and everything. And, uh, you, you got to be a little flexible. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Uh, in my old age I'm trying to just hang in there until I get my kids through school and then I'd like to teach, maybe mathematics or something. I'm trying to study for that now. Oh, I hope you can do that. Right, uh, What, what I did is I was approached
and, and I've, I went to T I just right at the time that, uh, my marriage was ending. I had been a, a stay at home mom and, and I, I was very fortunate in starting, Uh-huh. and I really enjoyed it while I was at T I, but, you know, the cutbacks were really getting to be rather frightening and I had less than five years and, also, I wanted to make a little bit more money. So I decided I'd like to go out and try sales. Oh, yeah. And, uh, I'm, I'm out trying to sell telephone systems to businesses. Right. And the potential there is fantastic. Oh, sure. The reality of it is it's tough Well, it's tough right now for everybody. Exactly. Up here in the Dallas Metroplex it's awful. Hey, I've got another clue for you for college. Uh-huh.
Another clue for you for college money. Okay. Go to work for U T. Uh, we have a friend who works, who is a secretary for T C U, you know, up here? Yes. They give you scholarship, a hundred percent, if you're, if you work for T C U. They do? Yes. So check that one out, you know. I'm going to check that. I've got, I've got two friends that work at, at U T. I didn't know that all. Ask them about it. Call them. Definitely, I will. And, because it's full, full scholarship. Now, it's, uh, not room and board, Uh-huh. but it's tuition, full tuition paid if your parent works at T C U. Well, that sounds fantastic.
And her, her mother went over there just for that ... Well Brent, I've been, um, I kind of gave up my career about three years ago to stay home with my children because I thought, uh, if it, it's only going to be another year until the youngest is in school. Right. And I thought it was a good sacrifice to make, because, um, it was important to me to, to spend some time with kids. Uh-huh. I know that when I was in school and getting my degree at the same time my husband was, it was really hard on our family because I would, he would come home and I would leave, Right. and then when I would come home and he would leave, and, um, so I think one day one of our kids said, you know, someone came home and they said, well, when is dad leaving or something. It was like that they thought that's the way life was, that you didn't have two parents at home at the same time. Uh-huh. And so I think, um, it's become real important to me that we try to spend time together as a family. So there's one or two nights a week, we have a, on Monday nights we set aside time where it's called, uh, family home evening and we stay home that evening, all of us, and we do things together.
Uh-huh. You must be a . Yes. So am I. Oh, you are? Yes, what a coincidence. Yes and, Yeah, I know what family home evening's all about. So you do that and, right, and then we try to do a family activity on Saturday, usually in the morning. Uh-huh. Right, and then the family home evening, too. Right, and then, you know, sometimes we try to do our lesson on Sunday night and then our activity or something on Monday but, We're, it's real important to us to spend time together. Right.
Well, that's good. Um, how many children do you have? I have two. Two? Uh-huh. I have a girl and a boy, and the boy's five, he's in kindergarten, and the girl is four. She'll be in kindergarten next year. Uh-huh. I have two daughters. Uh-huh. My oldest is, uh, four and my youngest is about to turn three. Two girls. And they are a handful They are a handful. Yes. We've, my, uh, well, when we first got married, my wife worked for a year.
Then we decided to have kids. Uh-huh. And, uh, she, she got pregnant and then we decided she would stay home with the kids. We would make that sacrifice. It is a financial sacrifice to make because we go from two incomes down to one. Uh-huh. And, uh, we made that decision and, uh, so after she had the first baby, she stayed home. And, and we had a second baby and she's still at home Yes. And so, uh, you know, at work a lot of people are, you know, I think well this is not a normal situation anymore in our, in our world we live in. Most of them, uh, continue to work if they have, have kids. Uh-huh. I only have one other person I know in my, in my group here that works where the wife stays home, and that's because of religious values as well. They're Baptists and they, and they think that's important.
Uh-huh. But everybody else works and they drop their kids off at day-care and, and leave them and, I don't know, I just don't want, I just don't want strangers raising my children. Well, no, and it's, it's just not, um, it's not as stable for the kids, Right. and they, everybody decided to come over and talk to me right now. But, uh, it's, yeah. That's how it is at our house when you're on the phone. Oh, it's open, anything goes when mom's on the phone Well, it's also important, I think, um, for my husband. I, I try to go out of my way to, to plan things that he can do with the kids because, since I am home with them and so I get a lot of time with them, he needs to have, um, some time with them. Uh-huh. So he, when he comes home, he, um, you know, it's his job at night. He puts the kids to bed, Right. and he reads to them, Right. and he spends about an hour doing that,
and that's, that's pretty good quality time, with them, Right. and, um, but it's hard for him on Saturdays. He, he wants, Right, he wants to run out and get things done, With all the yard work and things like that. and so, um, I try to say, well, why don't you go fly kites or why don't you do something. Uh-huh. And if I have something in mind, then he, he remembers that, that's what he wants to do. Uh-huh. Right, we feel that, you know, just spending time together. You don't necessarily have to be doing anything, you know, that costs money or, or, you know, that requires you to go a great distance or anything like that. It's just the kids like to, being together as a family. Uh-huh. Like last Saturday we went, had some errands to run and so we took the kids and, and went by the Farmers Market down in, in, down there in Garland. Uh-huh. And they had a blast running around the Farmers Market looking at all the, you know, the food and tasting all the free samples they were giving out. And they had a little pen there with animals in they could pet, you know,
Uh-huh. and they liked that. And then on the way home we drove by the local high school and there happened to be an F A, F A A, Future F A, Future Farmers of America, F F A going on there, Yes. and they had all kinds of pigs and horses and goats and sheep and everything, you know, all out in this, in the, in this schoolyard there. So we just said, hey, let's stop and and the kids got to go around and, you know, see pigs and animals and things like that, Uh-huh. and, and for them that's wonderful, you know. They, they thought it was the greatest fun, you know, and it didn't cost any money. And, uh, you don't have quite as much money when, when the wife doesn't work. Well, that's right. But I do think, um, you know, like the current trends are that, um, the family unit is devaluated. It's not nearly as important. Right. We find that, you know, back just even fifty years ago when people had financial problems, the first place they went to was their family. Uh-huh. And families took care of themselves
and, um, but now, you know, people don't, they don't support each other that way. Right. Right. Oh, definitely motherhood is devalued in this society. If you're, stay at home and you're a mother, it's like what a waste. People think, you know, you should be fulfilling yourself Uh-huh. and, and a mother isn't an important important thing as, as having a career That's right and, and, and that should be first and, and children second. But they don't have kind of an, what we call an internal perspective of things. Right, right, But that, And it's not an easy sacrifice for a person to make, because, you know, I, you know, I have interests that, too, No. Right. and it is hard to make, uh, those interests not be as a major part of my life. Uh, at this point. Uh-huh.
It's not to say that some day you won't go back to work. My mother's a school teacher and when, when we started, uh, having kids, she had to work for a little while, but then she just started substituting. Uh-huh. So she would just substitute once or twice a week, you know, just for that little extra money when we were in school. Then we would just come home and just be, you know, go to a neighbor's house for an hour, then she'd be home. But she wouldn't do that every day. Right. But now that my, my, uh, youngest sister's at B Y U now, and so they have no one at home, she's back teaching school full time now, again. So if, you know, it's not, it's just a temporary thing. It is temporary. It, in the middle of it, it seems like a long time, Uh-huh. but you're right, it is temporary. Well, I see that we both share the same belief here that it's important that we spend time with our kids
Yeah. and, and, in spite of, Yeah, yeah, you, it's, it's hard sometimes at work because, you know, people say, oh, we're taking a cruise, we're going here, we're going there, you know because they have a lot more money. Uh-huh. And a lot of them decide just not to have children. Yes. It's, it's amazing, they either have one or none. That's true. And, and the one person I know that has one, they, they feel guilty. She has this continual guilt trip that she's not doing the right thing, and so on, uh, on weekends she would, you know, spend all of her time with her kids and spend lots of, lots and lots of money. Basically, I think they, they really spoil the child, to try to overcompensate for their guilt feelings. Uh-huh. And, and, and they don't want to have anymore children because they just don't think, you know, that, she doesn't think she could be a mother at home. That's not her bag. So she just doesn't think that she could, you know,
the guilt feelings, she can't deal with with it anymore Yeah. so, Well, it is, the hardest thing I've ever done, as much as you'd go out You know, and, Uh-huh. Yeah, my wife, uh, likes staying home. Uh-huh. Uh, she works at home some, though. Uh-huh. The place she works with, worked with before, um, worked out an arrangement with her where she can work at home, part time, Well, that's good. and so, uh, that, it's kind of a seasonal thing. Three times a year she's really busy doing certain things based on that kind of business, Uh-huh. but the rest of the time she's free. She likes to sew and do crafts and things like that So she enjoys staying at home,
but, uh, the money part of it is not as rewarding, obviously, but there's different rewards, you know, different kinds of rewards. No. Yeah, I think so. I think it's an investment in your future, even if it's purely not, not religious. You can at least say that it's important to our country, that our family unit stays strong. Right, right, right. And you really have to make, uh, quite a bit of money. The wife doesn't make it worth it, with the cost of day-care. Yes. I know there's, you know, when you adjust your income for what you put out for day-care, you know, you're only making like five. Here we go. Okay, um, now we're supposed to talk about social activities. Right? Well, the changes that's occurred,
like it, how was it, maybe ten, twenty, thirty years ago as opposed to what it is today Uh-huh. how we're living socially in comparison to maybe from that time period from ten, twenty, or whatever you remember it to be. I think, um, well, I guess it would be like your generation compared to my generation. I think your generation is, um, what do I say, uh, uh, they're, they're, they're polite, they have more respect for, other people, just in, in general I think, and just, just towards people and property and, um, I, I guess they would, would be more conservative, some of them I guess. Yeah, we are, uh, somewhat conservative, but as far as the, uh, socially, our crime rate has increased, and although it's more publicized as opposed to what it used to be it seems like violent crime is on the increase from what I've seen, Uh-huh. and, um, our prison population has significantly increased I would say. Um, our economy, too, is really, it's just not what it used to be in the sixties or even fifties from history from what I've read, and uh, even the, Uh-huh. well, it started spiraling down, I suppose, in the seventies, and, uh, our recovery, uh, economically has not been like it used to be.
To me, also, our nuclear family is not the same because more people are living together that aren't married Uh-huh. Uh-huh. uh, I don't, I don't know if, uh, can't make any judgments of that nature, but, uh, I don't really want to either because I have no problems about it either way Uh-huh. and, um, kids are, I, I suppose have been raised by single parents more than they ever used to Yes, I agree with, women are more on the rise too so far as getting their careers established, Uh-huh. and, uh, they don't no longer feel dependent upon men, Well, Well, do you think that that maybe, I mean, uh, I've heard different, you know, like, um, like I know my mom and like other ladies, they complain because they think that, um, the women now are too busy with their own personal life and career that they really don't have time for their kids. That's probably true, I mean, they, they are, a lot of them that have to put their kids into day care or having more with baby sitters, Uh-huh. and, especially if they don't have boy friends or husbands, and, uh, I guess that's why you always hear these stories about kids being neglected.
Yeah. Uh, in fact, uh, there was one lady in this area, she was caught going to work and leaving her daughter in her car all day. Oh my gosh, just a baby. Not a baby, she was old enough to, uh, I would say she was five to eight years old somewhere along that range, Oh my gosh. but that's just an extreme example. Uh-huh. I would imagine, you know, the situations are out there. Yeah. Um, Well, um, um, well, I think the education, like our education has, um, increased dramatically, but then I think also that we're forgetting like basic things, like we should know I agree there. like I, I think, well, um, in the morals and values of like my generation for the most, for most people are totally different from the morals and valleys, um, values of like per se your generation. But I think as we get older, it gets to your, you know what I mean. I think the kids now are, are, I would say, louder now until after they reach like twenty-five, and then I think they really have a strong decline and start to settle down and realize things. Yeah,
um, I could agree with that, because used to conservatism was inherent at a much younger age, Uh-huh, yeah, because I think we're given more now, whereas you had to work for everything, and kids nowadays are just given so much that they really don't have to work, and, you know, and they, they don't have any intent to go working until they have to. Uh-huh, that's an agreeable topic there Um, what else considering beside family, economics, um, our transportation system has changed for us. I mean, we can, we can now travel around the world in no time. It's just a hop, skip and a jump to get into a plane to go from the east to the west coast Uh-huh. and, uh, well, I, I think what's happened, too, is just our technology is just advancing so rapidly that, and there's so much information available out there that folks out there just have a hard time keeping up, aside from just going through their daily routine of living to get from day to day Uh-huh. and to keep abreast of the knowledge out there, we got to constantly read, go to school, uh, T V watching has sure hasn't gone too much out the door because T V is still, well, the cable system and the satellite dishes has made it to where a lot of people can just leave regular T V programming and watch a lot of other, a variety of programs out there, as well as use of the V C R Uh-huh. so that, I don't know if it really hampers or it helps our education system.
I don't know, because I know I don't watch, while I'm up here at school, I don't watch hardly any T V. Like Thursday night I like to sit down and watch a few shows, but I, Do you watch L A LAW? No, I don't watch that I used to, but I don't any more. I like that. But, all, I mean there are, even though there's a few up here, we call them couch potatoes, they love to sit in front of the T V, I but for the most part, I will, I will, well, I live in an all girls dorm, but for the most part we're all between the ages of eighteen and like twenty-one Uh-huh. and there isn't really a lot of T V watching. Well, that's good, at least you're hitting the books, right.
They're either hitting the books or something else, I don't know what, but, I know, oh, well, I guess, they have their crowds, like during the soap operas, you know, like in between classes or something Uh-huh. but I can't say that there's really that many people that like sit in front of the T V all day. Well, that's a change then, oh, of course, going to school, too, it's different from the home environment, Uh-huh, but, then, um, like I know this girl. She's doing her student teaching or she's just working like within the school, and, um, yesterday she was at the kindergarten, and there's this little boy, he like didn't want to do anything, and he said I'm not doing this, I don't like it, and he sat at his desk with two pencils in his hand, and pretend like he's playing Nintendo you know, Um. so, uh, I don't know how, I mean, I never really watched that, a lot of T V when I was younger,
but my parents really didn't allow us to watch that much T V, so I don't know. I agree with your parents, because, uh, T V kind of ruined me, because that's that's all that we had Uh-huh. well, not really, but, I mean, it's, uh, for the top medium of entertainment. Yeah, well, we watch a lot of, I guess we watched a lot of T V in the Winter time, but in the Summer, like right now, my mom, well, like she doesn't let us watch T V until like eight o'clock at night, you know, Even at your age? Well, like my younger brothers and sisters at home. Like when it starts getting nice outside in the Summer and everything she'll, she makes us go outside, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. even now when I go home for the Summer, she makes us go outside, and we're allowed to come in and watch T V until it's dark, because she doesn't like the T V herself I see. and if it was up to her, we wouldn't have one. So, you know, she feels that kids are too dependent on it also.
Uh-huh. Oh. Is there anything else? Um. Um. What about in our work ethics? Work ethics, oh, I, It's it's maybe getting better. Um, a little, of course, we're having to weather through the savings and loans all the other scandalous items that, well, the greed that overwhelmed us in the eighties Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and, uh, I think, I think it's going to have to have it's patchwork put on us because we have so much to pay for now. Um. It's going to be really passed on to your generation and maybe a few others including what's left of ours Yeah. Well, I really can't think of anything else. Well, it was nice talking to you. It was nice talking to you too. And, uh, what are majoring in? Hi, this is Judy,
I'm from Maryland and I'm in California visiting right now. Hi, Judy. This is Norma, and I live in Virginia Oh, okay. We got a great topic I know. I'm sitting here going oh, dear Should we give it a try? I guess we might as well Okay Okay. Okay. Well, um, so Let you start So, so what changes have you seen? What changes, uh, I guess the biggest, I don't know your age Judy,
but, uh, in my lifetime the biggest is in more women working, definitely. Well, actually, that's what I was thinking too. Yeah. And, um, you know, just to jump ahead a little bit but then we can back up. Is it, perhaps, woman in politics is for the future. For the well, yeah. Because I don't see that really yet in positions of power, really. Right. I don't see them in positions of power in corporation either Uh-huh. not many. That's true. That's true. Um, do you work in private corporation or government? I did work in government. Uh-huh. And before that I worked in a bank for eight years. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
And now I'm retired. Oh, you, That's the best status. That's right. Yes, um, I don't, I see, um, and, Which do you work in, excuse me? A government. A government. And I work in academia before. Uh-huh. And, um, actually there's one, um, woman in our, I don't know what you'd call it, uh, institute who is a manager and, I mean, in a since, perhaps, um, a lot of, she gets protected a lot because it's almost like a token. Oh. And, and it's sort of unfortunate because, I think that they don't accept her technically and, but she's a good paper pusher. Uh-huh. And it's in a technical position really. And you know she should be more technical for what she does.
Uh-huh. And I think that's sort of unfortunate, because it doesn't, it doesn't really help the cause in the long run Right. But, um, you know, I don't know. And, and teaching I still see that that's where most of the woman are. In teaching. In teaching. And, you know, and it's always been that way. But not at the college level. Right. Not, well, We live in a college town and I worked at the university for a while. Uh-huh. And there are, there are woman there but they're not the high paid professors that, the men are Uh-huh. Not department, chairmen. Yeah. Not the deans and things like that.
Well, they did have one woman dean but, and I guess she, she probably did very well but that's the minority. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Um, and do you think it's because women aren't qualified or, or just don't, or don't want the job or just aren't hired for the jobs. None of the above I think they are extremely well qualified. Uh-huh. Uh, I don't know how, They're just not selected somehow. I think they're not selected, Uh-huh. And, of course, at this university, uh, this, it's a big engineering school and I don't think there are many women in the engineering college. Uh-huh. And that's where the high pay is. Oh, okay. But I'm wondering how many women actually major in engineering.
but, you know, I say that but yet I know too. Quite an, well, I think there are more than there used to be. Yeah, I'm sure there are, yeah. But they may not go into teaching, Uh-huh. Yeah, I mean, the two that I know obviously are not in teaching but, um, it's, I suppose in a since I was surprised when they told me they majored in engineering. Uh-huh. I don't know why. I, but I don't know that many men that have majored in engineering, either. Uh-huh. I mean it's just, because I'm in the humanities it's just, Oh, uh-huh You know, it's not, it's not something that I tend to hear about. Yeah. Uh-huh.
But, um, yeah, it's a, Well, I met one one day that, uh, had just joined the faculty in agricultural engineering and that really surprised me. Oh, that's interesting, Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I, I suppose that, that it's difficult to really say why because, uh, you know, there, there probably are a limited number of women who are interested in the subject and well qualified. Uh-huh. And maybe there aren't, you know, Maybe they don't apply for the job. I don't know. I don't, I don't know how many go on and get a P H D in engineering. Right. Right. Which could be, you know, partially cultural anyway. That could be. That's true. So that it might be circularly being the same problem of, of expecting not to get hired for the good jobs anyway,
Uh-huh. so why spend your time getting qualified. That's right. It's a, it's a rough It's a rough, a rough situation. Um, and I guess what I, what, amazes me is the number of men who are willing to stay home with the kids or and, in our case we actually have one father who works part-time, a six, hour day so that he can take the kids, kids or kid, I'm not sure, to school in the morning and be home when the children or child, comes home in the afternoon. Oh. That's interesting, Is it, uh, was she the major wage earner, This is, uh, I mean, did she earn more money that he did or you know. Well, see, I don't know anything about the family but, but, yeah, I would imagine she might. Um, because he's, you know, he's a really nice guy but he did say that because he was in the humanities and he's now working in more of a technical situation that he had trouble finding a job. Oh, uh-huh. So that maybe he, you know, maybe she was more qualified. But, but still it's interesting that, you know, he, he's been doing this evidently for a, a good number of years.
Uh-huh. And, uh, but it's unusual. Uh, I know one, uh, gal that's, she's a C P A, and her husband is a house husband. Uh-huh. Yeah I, And then they had a child and he, he was still the house husband. He wasn't, going to, Oh, he was, even before they had children. Uh-huh. Even before that, right. Oh, now that, that really is She was a little perturbed about it. Oh, she was. At one time. Uh-huh.
I don't know how, she's moved away. I don't know how it is now but I know, uh, we're, we all went out one evening and after work and, uh, she was, there was an underlying note she was perturbed about it. Uh-huh. Yeah, I mean I think that would be, it would, it would strike one as strange if there's no reason for somebody to stay home that, Uh-huh. I don't think there was a valid reason Yeah That's true. Because her statement was, I told him let's face it you're a house husband that's what your going, that's what you'll always be. But, but yet, you know we have to think about that because if, if she had offered to stay home we wouldn't have thought anything She wouldn't have be, that's right. Uh-huh, that's right. So, so we're, carrying our own prejudice
it would, it wouldn't have been a doubter . Uh-huh. That's true. Yeah. Oh, gee. I guess we can't win Huh-uh. Oh. Because if, yeah, if, if somebody does if and breaks tradition you're surprised. But if That's right Oh, dear. So, so, I think maybe more men would like to be if they weren't put down so badly If they could get away with it Oh, dear. You know, well, uh, I mean it, it's an interesting topic yet I must say it's not one that I've given a great deal of, of thought to Huh-uh. but, uh, in the past.
No, I didn't. It's, um, one of those things that, you know, seems to happen. How do you feel your career has gone? I don't, I don't feel for the most part that I've been discriminated against. You don't. That's good. No. I was a department chairman. I, but I don't like administration. Oh. So then I'm, uh, uh, probably a poor example, although, you know, I was an administrator and could still be I suppose. Uh-huh. I was discriminated against very definitely in banking. Uh-huh. It was terrible. Oh, really. You were, you were more ambitious than they would let you be? Right. And the money didn't go with the positions.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I would, The promotion, promotions came but there there comparable pay for the responsibility. Uh, And I was told you don't need as much pay as I have because your children are older than my children, or your husband has a good job and Oh, jeez. Yeah, actually in a since I suppose, when I was hired into the government, um, at, I was taken advantage of and, and that's true that, you know, sometimes other people get, get higher increments, for, you know, even, I uh-huh. I think we, uh, are programmed to just take it as it comes. Right. Right. That's probably true. I hadn't, I hadn't thought about it because I do like what I do
and, uh, I just sort of ignore the administrative, part of it since I didn't like it when, when I had to do it. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So I, I figure, you know, nobody must, uh, nobody must like it. It must be a rotten job for everybody But I know some people thrive on it Oh, gee. Well, since I don't have a whole lot more to say on the topic. I don't, Yeah, I think, um, this is a tough subject because, uh, when you come from two different parts of the country, uh, the political views are really different. I, uh, I, I guess I've had to discuss a number of what might be considered controversial issues, Uh-huh. I guess like, like they're nothing, I guess, nothing is as awful as abortion but like gun control and, uh, day care an things like that, and there are some very different views, uh, of the people connected with the program which I thought was really interesting, you know. Well, now you, you say two different parts of the country what, are, are, are you referring to yourself or, Yeah,
well being in, in Baltimore see, Maryland is, um, is sort of, um, is as, as a hub of liberalism you know, compared to the country, uh, you know, very, uh, in, in many ways, uh, very liberal very somewhat to New England though Pennsylvania and New York, uh, I, aren't actually as liberal, Maryland is a very liberal, uh, state so, so, where here we have, um, we have gun control laws we probably have some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation and most people in Maryland vote for that, you know. Uh-huh. So, it really is a different, um, Uh, well, of course, you talk gun controls down here in Texas and you're asking to be lynched. Yeah, that's, that's right talk to, I had to talk about gun control with somebody and I talked with a woman who actually, you know, had just purchased a gun that day, and was going target shooting, you know, Uh-huh. and it was very different it was a whole, different view.
It's really, um, this has opened my eyes to thinking, you know, at one time I just sat here and thought, well, how can anybody believe that because I'd really never met people that did, and now, I talk to people that do. So that's, it's really interesting. Well, it's very true, now I'm a, uh, New Yorker by birth. Uh-huh. Although I claim Florida as my home now, uh, I have two sons living down there but I also have two sons living elsewhere, one in Tennessee, one in Mississippi. Uh-huh. But I lived in in Florida for ten years and I kind of like it down there, but they had a gun control law which went a little bit too far. Yeah. I think uh, well in your words, they were a little bit too liberal. Yeah, isn't it funny.
I mean they they I believe if I'm correct I believe they permitted their carrying concealed weapons. Uh-huh. But they uh quickly did away with it. Uh. Yeah. I think in the next session they they uh modified it but it's still legal to own or possess weapons in uh uh Florida. Yeah well you can possess 'em here too but They have to be they're registered and Uh, like uh the the Brady Bill that's currently being discussed nationally and whatever is very well supported here, in gun control avenues, The the one week uh seven day the delay You have the seven day waiting period. Uh huh. Yeah Well I don't mind that too much that's uh that's I'm I'm with the N R A myself. Yeah. And uh, uh Really the only objection we have Is uh you you give a little
and next thing you know somebody's trying to take more. Yeah that's true that's very true That's and that's the way I guess most of the um the political organizations work you know the same I know the abortion issue with right to life and right to choose Yeah. and and both of them are both want the extent of extremes so that they don't give anything for a balance you know there's there's always that difficulty Well then tell me do you consider yourself a liberal? Um I would say I'm probably liberal yeah Well let me ask you this then. yeah Sure How is your what is your feeling about uh uh expressing yourself by burning the American flag? Well I'll tell you. I I think you know if they if they didn't give as much coverage to these idiots that burn the flag, it would never happen do you know what I mean?
Huh. It's only because they make a big stink over it. But I I guess actually I believe that if somebody wants to burn the flag I guess that's their opportunity They're they're they're right in the sense of freedom of speech But I would never Well now wait a minute there Yeah. you just said it. It's their right by freedom of speech? What does speech have to do with burning a flag? Yeah. Well it's that they I think the idea of freedom of speech goes back to and I uh uh the the the whole aspect of being able to display your uh your ideas you know the what the country stands on America stands on is that they can do that Uh, though I would never even consider it in a million years to do it myself I I I think uh you know but I I still what the flag stands for I guess to me is that if somebody wants to voice their opinion or display their opinion openly and if that is a a way that they can show their opinion then they should be allowed
uh Now uh Well I I still go back to ... Unless the burn unless the actual fire hinders somebody's health and well-being you know but I I think that's I guess that's I that's my opinion Yeah I guess you feel differently. Then would you condone the burning of the capitol building? Uh, no but I think that's that's uh it's that's taxpayer's money. If somebody buys their own flag and and burns it that's fine but that that's you know that's destruction and of uh public property and whatever. Uh, then you don't draw a line between public property and uh uh uh what a public uh symbol. No I don't know I guess the symbolism oh I think what America stands for is the right to be able to disagree with the government. Uh yeah Uh I think that's what's made democracy but here again I go back to the second amendment You can disagree by freedom of speech which, has nothing to do with action.
Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. Well that's that's true Now I am I am adamantly against that. Yeah But I think I I Yeah I I I guess the idea you know they always keep saying like the framers. Um. there uh one of the Republican the appointees for the the judicial bench and they always talk about they feel that this person believes in the framing of the constitution what the original framers the ideals the original framers set down. Uh-huh. And Um I believe that the idea of burning the flag is is in huh. my understanding of how it was framed is that you this the thing about this country is that you can disagree with its government and you can display that. Yeah. Uh-huh. Uh, I Yeah, I
and and so that as a freedom of expression and speech and whatever I I think that that's viable. Um as long as it's your flag and and you've made your your point. I think. Yeah Because, realistically, like for you for you you don't think it's right No. And I would never do it. I I love this country too much, and that symbol means a lot to me. Uh-huh. Um. But I guess it's just one of those things where if they if that's what's something it's a need for them you know. Well here again we uh even though you uh physically you agree with me you you wouldn't do it yourself. Yeah. Yes. No. Nevertheless you maintain that it's it is the right of of any citizen to burn the symbol of their country. Right. Yeah. Uh huh. Uh, um so long as it's their possession.
Ok, you're you're that's fine up to there except that uh, what that flag symbolizes is uh uh is this country, Uh huh. and I used to know as a Boy Scout but all I remember was the red in the flag represented the blood that was shed to to create this country, and to maintain it. Yeah. And, to me that's uh uh black eye to every man that ever uh carried a weapon or killed for his country. I agree there too. I agree with you there too. I I the um I I it's I find it you know personally disgusting But I don't think that I don't think that uh we have a right to stop somebody from that you know Uh-huh. the same I don't know I guess I get I get uh all mixed up inside. when, Yeah It's It's very easy to do. it when it's uh it's an emotional issue, and you sit and you try and think about it logically and and and you know you try to say to yourself now emotionally this is a disgusting thing, uh but logically um even you know for instance, the pro life pro choice movement, uh you know
I don't know anybody that actually supports abortion, but they would vote pro choice. Uh Uh-huh. because you know That's just a disgusting thing you know somebody an abortion means it's somebody's in trouble and that it's an awful thing, you know Well I think it should be permitted under certain but Yeah. but it that's uh that's what I mean, see, but but realistically when you think of it it just sounds like such an awful thing, and it evokes an emotional response. I think that's the hardest thing, I don't know if I could ever be a judge, because some things emotionally just aren't you know Uh-huh. Huh. Well tell me has it ever been decided when when is a uh fetus a human?
No, no I think the um sometimes I guess what did I read recently the um the uh Christian uh point is is always the point of well it's at conception but then um a friend of mine's a doctor and argues with others that conception is a biblical term. And there's no concept of conception in medicine or biology. Huh. so then that so that throws out that idea makes it a religious discussion then. So it's I don't know. It's very it's it's uh you know It's a it's a topsy-turvy world and it's really something how um political ideas and viewpoints within one country can vary so much and also within um within a, Or they on their within the own uh society, it can vary. Yeah and how Yeah how it'll sway from one one extreme to another. Uh-huh.
Uh I think that uh you know I I just read something I think in TIME magazine uh about um protest Okay. Um, I think that in this day and age everyone needs to have some sort of exposure to community service because it, it seems like and I'm, I'm thinking of the of community of people that are in jail now, I think that maybe if, if, if some of those people had gotten exposed to the community, gotten exposed to working with other people that some of the things that they did they would not have done because they, they understand people more, they understand helping people more, they understand the plight of people. That's true. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I agree with you in the sense that, uh, I think that it's important for people to, uh, also share, give something of themselves Right. and, uh, I think that there's too much in the, in, in a way of self-gratification today, Uh-huh, uh-huh. and there's not enough sharing. Uh-huh. I would think that for, like people that are just filthy, filthy rich,
Uh-huh. I think that they would benefit also in doing community service so that they can see and I'm, I'm speaking about people that are like born rich, Yeah. and that's all they know, Yeah. and I'm thinking that community service would help them, uh, just get a feel of what else is out there, how other people are living, you know, if they were to work in, in a, a, I don't know, a soup kitchen or something, they would understand how other people live Yeah. and, uh, you know, on the same note if poor, if poorer people, uh, are working to, to serve the community, I don't know, they probably have a better perspective of, of life itself. Uh-huh. Yeah and I think the Peace Corps is great too, because, uh, it, you go to different countries Uh-huh. and you see, uh, in fact I saw an interview on T V the other night with, uh, Patrick Swayze, Uh-huh. and he's making a movie in, I think it's, uh, Calcutta or either India, somewhere where it's, it's a very poor, poor country, Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
and he said that people in the west, he said since being there and I guess he's been there about six months, Uh-huh. he said that his whole idea of what's important has changed, Um. and he said that people have no idea, he said, of, of what human sacrifice is, you know, since being there he's, he's learned to, what it is to be poor and have nothing and yet those people have, uh, such, uh, a happy, uh, Uh-huh. demeanor, yeah, uh-huh. Yeah, in, in other words they don't dwell on, on what they don't have. Right. they dwell on what they do have and they're happy with each other type of thing. That's great. He said that out here, he said that when he comes back he knows that it, it's completely changed his life. Uh-huh
and I, I think that that, you know, this, on the same note being he was exposed to that and maybe he wasn't before, Right. and now he sees, Exactly. and I think that anybody that works in the, in some kind of service or for the community or something, they can see, you know. Uh-huh. You don't see what, you don't, you can't know what you don't see, you know, Exactly right. so and you have to experience some things. You know a lot of people know that people, that other people are poor but you, they don't know what poor is, unless they actually see it and, you know, help or something. Yeah. Right. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Well I, I know that it, that must be true especially if you do something along the lines of, uh, you know, helping them learn how to survive, how to plant, how to find water Uh-huh.
and I've seen so many, uh, extraordinary things on T V, that people have done working in the Peace Corps and how, you know, uh, the people of the community they worked in is so much better, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. it's like one person can make a difference, Right. and I, I really believe that they can in something like that. There's something I, I've really be skeptical of, you know, you watch television you'll see the service announcement for children in other countries and, if you want to send like, you know, fifty cents a day, or something like that Uh-huh. Yes. and you can help a child. Uh-huh. It's, I don't know, I guess it's just me but I don't know whether to trust that or not, I mean there are so many scams, and things going on, you know, I know and how do
I would love to help somebody, you know, Yeah. but I just, I can't bring myself to trust this, this company who is trying to do this or whatever it is, you know, Right. Uh-huh. just because people or so, I don't know, just today people are just so money hungry, that I think they would do anything, I know. It's true, it really is. and so you don't know what they, It's the sad life I think today. Uh-huh. It's, uh, it's, it's not like it used to be even in, in the years of my growing up. Uh-huh. I mean I'm fifty-three years old, Uh-huh. and I have seen a town change from a town to a city and its, uh, people, you know, grow from a small town to a large town, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and you would think that more people would be better, you know share more, do more, you know, be more community oriented and all,
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. but if they just get more, uh, unto themselves kind of, More self-centered, uh-huh. right and, and it's not the sharing of, uh, a neighbor to a neighbor Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and we would go out and not even lock our doors and not even worry about it. Uh-huh. But you can't do that today. But today, I mean, you know, it's like you wouldn't even think of doing that. Uh-huh. If you don't have bars on the window you're not even safe you know? Yeah. Even when, when I first moved to Dallas from New York, it seemed like Dallas was so open, you know, everybody left their, doors open, Uh-huh. you just run, in the store, Yeah.
you leave your car running, you know, Yeah. and this was only, uh, well I guess it has been awhile, it's been almost ten years since I moved here. Yeah. And it's amazing now how much it's changed. I mean I don't go out I don't go, outside at night, you know. In Dallas I, I was going to say cause I, I heard I, in fact I was talking to someone from Dallas, uh, just last week and they was saying that, uh, in fact it was this one girl particularly that worked for T I, Uh-huh. and she had gone overseas to Tokyo, Uh-huh. and she asked them there if there was some, anywhere that she shouldn't go because she was alone, you know being a girl from another country, and everything Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and she said they thought for a few seconds
and they said, uh, no, there's nowhere that you can go that you would have to be afraid. Uh-huh. They said to her that even if she left her purse on the subway okay, that she would have that purse returned to her, this is how confident they were, okay, with nothing missing Uh-huh. Wow. Wow. okay, this is a foreign country Uh-huh. and you would think, you know, uh, being, uh, an American or whatever, you know, a foreigner there that, that would be all the more reason that they'd take advantage of you. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Oh God, that would be the exact opposite of here. Okay. I mean if you leave something anywhere you might as well forget it. And she told me she said she could tell them for fifteen minutes places not to go in, in and around Dallas, Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
and that's where she was from. Uh-huh. That is sad. She said even choosing her apartment she had to be so careful because of being a woman alone, Yeah, yeah. That's, a big, that's a big thing with me. You know she had, there are certain. I live in a one bedroom, I'm single, Uh-huh. and I've, I could live in an apartment, I live in Waco, okay, Oh yeah. and you either live in really low priced housing or you live on the other side of town in the high price apartments. Yeah. And I live, I don't make a lot of money but I live in the high price apartments simply because I feel safe here
Yeah. and I pay, I'm paying probably the hundred or hundred fifty dollars more than I would be paying somewhere else but I wouldn't be able to sleep at night Yeah. and that to me is worth the extra money for me to be, you know, Yeah. I feel very safe where I am, you know, instead of, And that, that's why I think if people were more exposed to, uh, Uh-huh. especially, uh, young kids getting out of high school. Uh-huh. I mean at one time they would go into the service, to have the same exposure and, you know, uh, to further their worldliness, so to speak. And go to see, uh, foreign countries that they would not necessarily be able to afford to see, Uh-huh. Right. Uh-huh. it was like they said, join the Navy to see the world type of thing, you know, Right, right.
but nowadays, they don't do that anymore. Huh-uh. It's not a, a thing a, a lot of young men don't even, uh, have the desire to go into the service. Or to, uh, you know, do something for someone else. Yeah, they don't even consider it. Uh-huh. And I don't know I attributed I think, a lot of that to women working. You know, to mothers not being at home. To, Yes! Yes! I was talking to someone yesterday about that. the bonding process, yeah. And we were saying that the basic, uh, the, the basic family is, is disrupted these days, It very definitely is. And so, I think, you know, before the father would work and the mother, you know, would stay home and having that mother there, that base, I think, was a big part of, of family, a big part of, of what, you know, your, your, uh, youngsters thought about, what they did, you know.
That's right. Yeah. And the thing is, like I think a man can afford to support a woman, but the woman affords the luxuries. Uh-huh. In, in other words like anyone can live, on a certain income no matter what it is, Uh-huh. Right. you have to, so to speak. Okay? Right. It, it's what's important to you. Uh-huh. Now a family, I, I think that like girls today, have children, Uh-huh. and six weeks later they're back to work. Right. They don't even have a bonding with that child, they, don't ever see the,
Uh-huh. it's, it's the most beautiful thing that happens between a mother and a child. The first, like say, six, years of life. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So much, happens in that period of time, When I call, Uh-huh. and I mean once the child's in school if you had a job from say nine to three, big deal, Uh-huh. I mean they, they're in school, you're at work. Right. That's great. But it's kids that come home and don't have a mother there or the kids are at home in the morning and ... Right. Where you on the phone a long time? Yeah, I've been sitting here alternately reading and watching television Yeah. You were, he was waiting for what again?
To, he called in to get somebody on the line, it took him about half an hour to find somebody. That's what this was yeah, well, let me go a head and push one okay? Okay. Okay. Well, basically I like comedy shows Uh, MURPHY BROWN, uh, DESIGNING WOMEN . Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah what do you like? Well we don't have a T V, I mean we have two T V but neither one of them work, Oh, okay. so for the last year, I mean we just got married
and we decided well, for the first year we, we won't get a T V so I mean I'm totally out of it as far, as T V goes. That's okay we'll been married eleven years and, um, we went through that after about five years of marriage, my old T V that I had from college when we got married finally went out and we went, we made it almost about eighteen months without a television. Really? Yeah, but then all of a sudden when you get one you realize, um, gee I needed that, you know, Yeah. and then you get to remote control the stereo phonic, whatever all of those things, V C R, and everything else. oh, yeah, and then you never use the V C R, and now we have two of them and now it's like we're just glad we never went out and bought a compact disk player cause we wouldn't use it Really. Yeah, I mean it's cause your never home, you know,
you're working, you're at school. Yeah. Well, I don't know T V shows, what can I tell you, um, basically junk that's on television Yeah. That's my opinion yeah, um, I like things like I just mentioned, have you ever seen MURPHY BROWN, or anything like that? I don't think so You don't think so, oh, that's the one with Candice Bergen in it, um, Well, see another thing was I worked on second shift for like a year and a half, so. I would never see any shows any way Yeah, that would do it. and then before that I was in college for four years and I never watched T V then because I didn't have time.
Right, nobody does yeah, then, uh-huh. I know. I mean I did watch T V it was soaps and M T V cause the girls I lived with never changed the channels . And the, uh, well I don't, you're probably at least ten years younger then I am but I could tell you in school that, uh, the only thing that ever saw in the dorm was, uh, the one soap opera, ALL MY CHILDREN. Yeah. And until then I never paid attention to soap operas. Me too. And to this day twenty years later I'm like, I'm in my thirties, I'm not that old, but I'm going, jeez, I can't believe that thing's still on television I know, I mean I I almost got hooked on it cause everybody would took about it at dinner and everything else it, you know, it was like. Yeah,
they, you know, about the only other kinds of things I like, um, I like to watch a lot of news, um, don't you miss that with not having a television so far? Um. How long has it been since you've had one? Well, about, almost a year. Oh my God Yeah. Yeah, you've got about another six months and then you'll get one Well, I mean I never really watched it much growing up By then, but I thought, you know, my husband would really like miss it because he, he was an only child and he he's seen a lot of T V. Uh-huh. And I figured oh, no it will never last but. I mean I don't miss it that much.
Yeah. Yeah, my husband is an only child too and he did miss it that's kind of why we got back after eighteen months, That's funny. and I'm trying to think about the only other show I watch. I've seen CHEERS probably five times and I've seen COSBY SHOW probably ten times. Yeah, I like COSBY, L A LAW is probably, I've seen CHEERS more then that I hate to admit but, uh, It's pretty cool I like that whenever I watch it. CHEERS? Yeah, I thought it was good,
I've actually been to that bar in Boston it's a nice, you know, it's a pretty funny show. Oh, you have? Yeah. Yeah, I've heard it's pretty cool. It's just a, you know, over priced downtown, Boston yuppie, you know, tourist attraction. Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to think what else is on television, I know it's like. I watched a lot of T V when the war was on. Yeah, who didn't? Isn't that sad? And then, uh, I like watching a lot of like college basketball and, and pro football, Uh-huh. I mean that sounds kind of stupid but, I do like it. Oh not, no, I like the pro, actually I like pro basket ball as opposed to,
I watch pro football but I like the N B A play-offs, back when like the Pistons were in them Yeah. and now, where are you calling from? Uh, Sherman, Texas. Sherman, Texas, oh, Where are you from? I'm in Dallas I was just saying where am I calling you from, you know, well then I don't know if you like the, the Mavericks or not, they haven't been that good this year. Um, we're supposed to talk about television let's see you don't have a T V. So, are you really from Texas though? Yeah, I'm talking to you from Dallas, uh-huh. Well, sounds like you're from up north.
My voice you mean? Yeah. Oh, no, that's just because I've moved around and, uh, I'm originally from Pennsylvania, Oh. so. I was going to say. Cause I wondered if you really, you know, if had any teams you like watching from up north or something. Uh, actually I'm a big Chicago Bears' fan. Yeah. Real big and, uh, um, I always watch them no matter who's on, of course you like them too, right. Yeah. Do you? Well, I'm from Indiana. Oh, okay. Yeah, so I like the Bears.
Yeah, there you go, and then and, um, I'm trying to think what else I like to watch on television sports wise. I like, I like tennis I watch, uh, huh. so I mean I'm not, I haven't played in years but, um, I just like to watch, you know, two players really get, go at it, Yeah. Yeah. It gets boring after a while but I don't, go ahead. I used to watch OPRAH a lot in the afternoons, before I went to work and stuff OPRAH and I see her every once in awhile like if I go workout at T I, Uh-huh. you know, they have those T V right, in front of the treadmills, Yeah, on the, on the tracks yeah,
is I don't know she's not as good as she use to be but, Maybe cause she got chubby again or something, her disposition's gone downhill. Was she, was her show big when you where in school since you haven't been out that long? Was what? Was her show big when you where in college, since you, haven't been that long? Oh, yeah. It's pretty cool, Was it? I mean back then and the show, did you see the show where she lost all of that fat? Yeah I saw reruns of it, She she wheeled it out on a cart . I saw tapes of her yeah. That was so cool,
and then man she's really porked out again I guess but, Gee, I know isn't that terrible. Yeah. I know I guess with that money who cares I don't know. I'd eat too. Let's see what else is on television. Oh, if you don't have a V C R we just got one after nine years don't even spend your money on it. Really. Yeah, cause, you know, if you like movies like we do you do it once in awhile and then, you know, you see it when it first comes out if you really want to see it and then it usually comes on television within two years. You know. Yeah, we got, we've got the dollar Cinema in Sherman so we usually see like first-rate movies, right away. Yeah,

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