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and those people probably Uh-huh, okay Did you go to Baylor by any chance? No, I I went to U T at Austin. Oh, okay, that's even better. And I, I just happen to work at a Waco station, because you know. I went to, or you in radio, or television or news. broadcast news, T V, Uh, my journalism degree is in, Are you still ...
have you ever been to the Olive Garden? No, I haven't, is that good? Yeah. Well, do you really like Italian food? it's not my favorite but, I like it's okay. Then don't, Then this will probably, I mean this isn't really excellent Italian food, Uh-huh. That sounds terrible to tell you to go somewhere where it's not tha...
Uh-huh. which I'm not Italian, no, it's , it's all the garlic bread and all the, salads you can eat with an entree. Oh. Oh, that sounds really good. So it wasn't too bad it really wasn't but I was more in the mood for french toast any way so, so I really like Italian food though, Yeah. but do you have any favorite? W...
Oh, sure. But we don't like to go there because that's the most expensive, so we like to go to a pizza place where you can buy a pizza for one price and feed the whole family, and like that. Yeah. You can usually get a variety of what you're looking for, like at Gatti's or something like that. Right. Right, but when ...
it's too, too much like a bar naturally, and Mexico, Yeah yeah, I know, I've seen it. But I love the food I love the food, The food is probably, the food is great. I'm not a I'm Mexican food gourmet by any means but it's probably the best tasting, I don't know would you classify that as Tex-Mex? Yeah, uh-huh. Um, the ...
and I don't remember the name of it, Uh-huh. but it's rolled up into, into something, and oh, it's really good. I've never had anything there that wasn't delicious. Yeah, they are really good. Even though you have to stand in line and all of that, that's the only thing I don't like about it too it's a little bit with t...
Yeah, I don't know how you feel about that but I think that some of it's over priced. Yeah I'm glad I'm talking about food normally these conversations are Sometimes it's hard isn't it to keep a, Yeah, it is I don't know, um, No, sometimes Mark and I, that's my husband Mark, um, go to the August Moon which is down the...
uh-huh. but Chinese isn't my favorite so, I don't like it at all usually so But he likes it kind of so he heats us up a good fight now, me I'm like I said seafood I'm, I like that. Yeah, I love seafood, So. and I, I like a lot of different ethnic foods. I like Japanese food. There's a place on Greenville called Sagar's...
Oh. and I remember when we went we were married with another couple that was just dating and, um, I had never had saki. Uh-huh. It made all raw fish tastes great but if you're looking for a very, uh, it's very pretty inside, Is it? and the girls wear kimonos and, You know, if you're ever looking for that. Oh, how nice...
Yeah. No, there's a lot of nice barbecue places here, now, I like barbecue okay, Texas barbecue. Yeah, I like, barbecue, It's good. have you ever been to I think it's called Spring Creek Barbecue? Yeah, now, they're real good. That's real good, Yeah. They are good. There had, oh my husband's going upstairs, and he sa...
Yeah. I can't talk I had chocolate bavarian tort, for desert, today, which I never eat at lunch Oh. and it was wonderful. Just to die for exactly. It was, Oh. in fact if I could pick my, um, restaurants on how their coffee is and how their french bread is and the butter and the desert I would be, yes, I would be in h...
Yeah, everybody, every child that I even know that eats vegetables, um, looked five years old still after a certain age realized that there is something called a McDonald's. Oh, I'm telling you. It's really sad isn't it cause it's hard to get them away from junk then. Well, it's kind of funny is sometimes we're like we...
That's the way the, Yeah, well, we're getting ready to I shouldn't say this on this conversation, but it's just on my mind, we're getting ready to go overseas to adopt. Oh, how nice. Yeah, we're excited, It will be neat. I think it will be worth it and somebody said to me in terms of, this is food so I can say this, bu...
Yeah, yeah. You, know, I guess are you is it a little bit of constricted, because a lot of restaurants don't take, in terms of talking about restaurants, I mean are a lot of restaurants, how are they when you have children let alone three or four children? You have to be careful if you go to a, a restaurant that, that...
I just, I just, I've been in some places where they say they take children, and then I've just seen where the wait attendance the wait staff is rude, you know. Yeah. And that always just bothered me and then, um, on the other hand sometimes the children or the adults are themselves Yeah I don't know what other kind of ...
yeah it's in the strip, yeah, and it had white tablecloth, I think it was like paper where you could write on them, or something with crayons it was just terrible. Oh dear. I mean I was shocked, I mean the dish was dirty, um, It was one of these you have bad experience and, say I don't think I'll come back here. Yeah,...
I don't like strange people coming to my door, um, Well, I, I've got one of my favorites were and I can't really think of any other, um, places. No, except that this makes me fat. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah, you have to watch it if you go out to eat that's true. Yeah, that's true, but you can always blame it on having ...
Yeah, maybe. Okay. Okay. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Well, we're just starting a family through adoption so I don't really have a lot of, uh, concrete, uh, opinions. Just what I know out of my peer group, uh, has gone through. And none of it has been good Oh, really? Yeah. Uh, the ones that can afford to have live-in nannies, T...
Right. What, what age child are you thinking in terms of? In terms of what they're talking about. No. For, for yourselves Oh. Infant. Uh ... Oh, okay. Infant. So you're starting from the from the baseline. Yeah. After eleven years of marriage. Yeah, we are. We're actually, it's happening now. So, we're just going throu...
I have one son. And did you put him in daycare or is he older now or younger or? Well, he's, he's now eighteen. And in, in, you know, has completed a couple of years of university. Sure. So he's out of daycare I, right. And, and so that, but I was working full-time, uh when he was born. You, uh-huh. But I was very luc...
and I sort of left him with, with a neighbor. Uh-huh. And I left him in a carry cot when he was very little And I said, you know, he doesn't need anything except, you know, look at him if he cries. But, you know, don't pick him up and, and this sort of stuff. Yeah. Because I was gone only an hour at a stretch or an ho...
I've just never worked out of a domestic base, you know. I've always been in a corporate, uh, environment. Uh-huh. Uh, but I'm hoping that possibly I can do something where I can go flextime or part-time or if they don't have that, uh, my boss, I'm very lucky though, again too, my boss is very akin to family building....
Uh-huh. I mean this, we're talking about, uh, I went back to work and, or taught some, some classes like a week after he was born. Oh, my goodness. You were fortunate. And so ... Yeah. Yeah. And so that's when I was saying, you know, don't, don't pick him up and stuff. Yeah. But then later what I did was I brought a ...
It was constantly, no, I don't want him, to explore anything. He might, uh, he might hurt himself So do you think that, I mean, do you think that that was in a way though, good good objectivity that, that doesn't really, that's not a correct English but , you know in a sense, you see what I'm saying though. From a mo...
And that's, uh, just . Romania. Did you say Romania or Armenia? Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. As in, like, what Twenty Twenty and, uh, but we, we're real excited because we've just developed a contact. Through professional people Oh, good. and it's private and it's hospital. It's, we're just very excited Uh ... And what's the...
Right. Uh, maybe after two or three or, years old. I don't know. Um. Oh, I in my opinion, it's even than. I mean your kids need you Yeah. Well, they need a schedule I think. I don't think the United States, what country were you, uh, in Europe when you were uh, uh? No, I was in the Middle East. Uh, that's Well, that's...
Uh, with the . I, yeah. Go ahead. No, I was just going to say, I guess, uh, my sensitivities are, are much more with the, you know, to be at home. Because actually, I had my grandmother with me from the time she was from the time she was ninety-two until she died at ninety-seven. Uh-huh. See, I think that's wonderful. ...
I'm that way. Yeah. I want to work. Shove them in, in some school for twelve hours a day. Right. It's easier and I agree with that. That's why I you know, Yeah. what is amazing to me is now your son is already grown but you can probably empathize with this. It's amazing to me how forthcoming people are with their opini...
and a couple like us building through adoption, there, it's almost radical to some people. And what you just learn to do is tune everybody else out and, uh, I respect, there are some women that I know that are divorced or on their own or in single parenting and men that they, you know, they may have the need for child ...
Uh, it's just, you know, it's so low but yet the overall cost for somebody doing it on a daily or even a weekly basis, it's prohibitive. And some people that are not making more than twenty thousand a year uh ... Yeah. Actually, there seems to be an alternative in my neighborhood. Is Really. there seem, there are sever...
and, you know, you might want to stay home one year and some other lady might want to stay home for a, a few years and ... I haven't thought about that. Yeah. And actually my neighbor has an eighteen month old and she's at home part-time paralegal. So I'm thinking, um Yeah, yeah. And we get along fantastically so I'm t...
Uh-huh. But then he actually started kindergarten at age three. Uh-huh. And so, and you know, it wasn't like prekindergarten, it was real kindergarten. Oh, really. He must be smart. Yeah. Yeah. So he, he was ready to, to go to school at that point. Uh-huh. But, yeah, they're, they do have such facilities. But for the m...
Uh, there, I'm in Dallas and there was just a very big, uh, series about Moslem women and there were enlightening things that broke some of my stereotypical thoughts. Uh-huh. I'm digressing here but, uh, I was just real curious when you said Middle East, if you didn't mind me asking. Yeah. No, no. And I didn't mean Is...
They fight, they work. Are you a Vietnam veteran, Dudley? Uh, no. No? Do you have family who were in the Vietnam War? Uh, no. My father was, uh, came in right after World War two. Okay. So he was too old, and you were too young, right? I am too young, yeah. All right. Do you know some folks who have been there? Uh, yes...
Uh, he was a lineman down there. Uh-huh. And while he was there, he caught some kind of a strange disease. Uh-huh. And, uh, all his hair fell out, and he had like a hundred and five fever for a while and, And, uh, Uh-huh. Uh, what about long lasting effects on him? Has he still suffering from those problems? I do not t...
Then, uh, another friend of mine went, and he was in combat. But he came back, and he said, "Okay, that is it. That is behind me. I am going on with my life." Much like what Roger Staubach did. Right. He was, uh, he was a Vietnam war veteran. Yeah. And, uh, But he was in the Navy, though, he was . Yeah. That is true. I...
Oh, yeah. Uh Well, the armed forces did so much to, you know, Agent Orange, they did so much to their own people all during that time. Yeah. That is true. You know, and they they take a, even now, uh, they take a free hand as far as medicine and, uh, you know, how they treat the war casualties, you know. Yeah. If you c...
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, uh, the culture is changing. Look how much more Oriental food we have, restaurants now, for example. Uh-huh. Uh, even ten years ago, there were not that many. A lot of shops are, are operated by southeast Asians. That's true . A lot of people have complained in the schools. There is a culture ch...
Yeah. That is, Uh, and it concerns me that there is probably a lot of mixed breed youngsters still there. Uh-huh. And I would be concerned or interested to find out how they are doing now. Well, they are probably not doing very well at all. I know that there, Because I know there is, there is still people even in the D...
That, that had not occurred to me. Yeah. That would be an interesting concept. And, uh, and, as is really a big waste because they didn't, they didn't win, they didn't regain any of the land that they had. It spilled over into, uh, now I can't even think of the country. But, Cambodia? Yeah. Uh-huh. and, and all they di...
and there is no way that they could ever catch them. Well, I think the terrain had a lot to do with the, the success of Desert Storm as opposed to that in Vietnam. Yeah, that is right. You know, there is incredible cover in Vietnam. Uh-huh. And you can't find much cover on, in a sand dune Yeah, yeah, all they can do is...
he, he dug a bunch of moats and filled them with oil Uh-huh. and he set a lot of booby traps all along the way as they went. And they had to, you know, they had to blow them up or, or disarm them. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And then they had to fill in little bridges all the way where he, where he had made those moats. What world...
Yeah. And, and you overcome those problems, and you are prepared next time. I think that is one of the reasons that they have, they have pretty much avoided getting involved in South America. Because look what happened when they were looking for Noriega, Uh-huh. and they lost him for four hours when they were right on ...
I had dinner Monday night with a Vietnam veteran who is just now beginning to recover from the drug and alcohol struggle that he had. Uh-huh. That is a long time to suffer. Yeah. And they, they really need, everybody that has, that has stood there, it's, when in Vietnam I think it was much closer contact. You stand the...
you bet. but they can, they can reason and, and try to adjust to, to why they were there. Uh-huh. Yeah. Well, you see that is what the veterans are so angry about now. They say, "Well, we're, going to listen to this and we are going to look at this, find out what our mistakes were, and we are not going to make them aga...
And that, and that was, that was in the, in the era when Kennedy was president that they were afraid of everything, you know. And, and, and they initially got into it because of Eisenhower. And he just, he did not want to be in it any more than, than what we started out in August with Desert Storm. Oh, yeah. And then i...
More so supported them when they got home. Right. And, uh, I am afraid that they were treated as castaways for the most part. Exactly. And I, I saw the movie, BORN ON THE FOURTH OF JULY, and I think it did a good job depicting the temperament of the times. Uh-huh. Yeah. More than, what was, APOCALYPSE NOW Uh-huh. Well,...
Bye-bye. So, P C personal computers. Do you have a personal computer? No I don't, not at home. Uh-huh. I work with them quite a bit though. Uh-huh, I, I work with them at Kelly Services, doing, uh, data entry. Oh, okay. Uh-huh. What do you, what do you think about them? Well, I think they're useful, I think they're in ...
and it really, without them knowing how to use it properly, it slows them down, more than it helps them accomplish something. Right. They spend more time messing with the P C than they would actually accomplishing the tasks that they're trying to do if they didn't have a P C at all. Uh-huh. And you really have to be ab...
Uh-huh. A lot of times they, they, they do it manually on the computer, which just really is a waste of time, and then, if they ever have to change anything in that, in that, in the document, they have to go back and redo it all manually, whereas if they had learned the package properly to start with and had set it up ...
no you can left and right justify the whole thing. It comes out just perfectly spaced like a block. Um. It'll, it'll automatically, it's like typesetting. It'll automatically do that for you. And it divides the words by itself? Usually it doesn't divide words. Oh, okay. They usually have it space the words in a line ra...
And most computers do that. They, Most most software packages will do that for you. Uh-huh. I've, I've known people that have used a package for, for five years, you know, and I would say, well, have you, you know, you know more about this package than I do, how do you left justify? And they would say, I don't know. Uh...
Sometimes they don't, uh, they don't think that they can get any information out of the manual. Some manuals aren't really designed very well. Uh-huh. But some of them, are, and more and more of them are coming out written in a way that it, that just a basic, general user can understand them. So, I think, um, people th...
Yeah, that's that's all I've seen in offices, is I B M. That is the, you know, the industry standard. Uh-huh. There's a lot of really good I B M compatibles, too. They don't have to necessarily be the I B M brand, but they have to adhere to that industry standard. Right. Well do you think it's been five minutes yet or,...
No. Is somebody in your family a T I No, and that's how he got it. Oh, okay, so who do you work for? I just graduated from college. So you don't have any benefits at all to talk about. No. You're just going to have to imagine what you would like as benefits Or, what I'm looking for. Oh, okay, okay Well in, in interview...
Um. Well I'll tell you a little bit about what T I has as benefits. We do have, uh, like most companies, we have medical insurance. Although they're tending to try to really cut costs more and more. Um, what they started with a few years ago is that they only would allow you to go to, um, set hospitals in the area. The...
and if you didn't have the extra dental plus, um, you only get like a third of your cost, which can be kind of expensive with a crown. Yeah it can . So, I, I pay, yeah, I pay for the extra dental plus, so much more per month because it always seems like if you're going to have a crown or something major done it pays a ...
So, that grows pretty good and I think that will be more of something I can see of a pension than the regular pension plan. Uh-huh. Of course you can buy stock in the company, but, you know, that's not always a real, for sure kind of thing. Not always safe Yeah, especially with this one, you know, it kind of goes up an...
Which, a lot of places make you work like ten years or so, before you get that much. Yeah. Uh-huh. And we get some, we get, uh, decent holidays. Um, at Thanksgiving we always get the two days off which is nice, to make a nice long weekend. And at Christmas we always get two days at Christmas. They float it around depe...
But, um, I think they took the dental away now. He worked for United Telephone System, it's, you know, it's just another, you know telephone network. Um. Uh-huh. And they took the dental away, but now I think they're going to start getting into eye. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think, uh, um, I don't use the services but y...
Like if he puts in a dollar they'll put in a dollar, you know. Yeah. And then he's only allowed, I think, I don't know if it's maybe five percent, or something like that that he's allowed to put in and they'll match it. Uh-huh. So and, um, he works for the, did you ever hear of the National Bureau of Standards? Yeah. O...
and he has all, all the holidays off. Right, and you get some extra ones. Federal workers always seem to get, you know, you get Columbus Day, and Veterans Day, and those ones that you couldn't really care about so much but you get the day off anyhow. Right, right Yeah, uh-huh, he has it really nice. It's nice where he...
but still that works out really nice. You know, it, Yeah, we're doing an H M O right now, um, and when we go to get prescriptions it's five dollars, but, you know, sometime, sometimes when you go, you know, the prescription, That's not bad either. like my husband always takes which is kind of like, you know, Contact s...
and, as a matter of fact, I can tell you something about that. Uh-huh. You apparently have somebody there, in one. No, actually, my grandmother owned and operated a nursing home for years and her mother, Oh, you are kidding? No, she did. Oh. And then my mother also owned and operated a nursing home, for years. And then...
Actually, the motivation for Grandmother entering the business, was that her mother was very old, and couldn't seem to find companions. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh, uh-huh. She was lonely. Right. And she needed company, for her mother Right. and so she opened a nursing home and initially started with eight ladies. I will be...
and there is no chance of, uh, good companionship or doing anything. Well, that is not really true, either, uh, I think that is a stigma and an I, and an impression that has come from some few bad experiences. Uh-huh. You see, those who had bad experiences talk about them. Uh, right, right. And those who do not may wri...
Right, right. However, my daughter-in-law also is a nurse in a nursing home. Uh-huh. And, uh, she works for one here in Dallas, which is more a retirement village than it is a nursing home. And these, these, Uh, uh-huh. I love watching these elderly people come, they will come and tell her. "Well I am going for my, ten...
And they have, you know, pink linen napkins for their dinners. And, a well equipped library. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Yeah, that sounds great. Oh, I am certainly very much for a nursing home and I think when the, the parent gets old enough, to the extent where they just do not want to be bothered with keeping house, and with ta...
but they were there close and they did have, uh, you know, the button that you could push the central office if you got into problems and, there were lights that you could flip on and so forth. Uh-huh. And they have security. Uh-huh. No, I am very much in favor, I have heard horror stories, Oh, well you have that with ...
And they were super with her. Absolutely. They were, uh, Well now, my grandmother, of course all of my folks lived to be very old Uh-huh. and my grandmother developed Hodgkin's Disease, when she was in her late eighties, uh, late seventies, I mean. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. She went to the doctor, she had surgery, she go...
Well, a lot of people do that. They , left them temporally maybe they had a, broken hip or something or, Uh-huh. That is right. Uh-huh, uh-huh. I think it is a wonderful interim place, Uh-huh. it is a place that you do not have to struggle with hospital, problems Uh-huh, uh-huh. and yet it is not, you know, you have, A...
And, uh, I, I did not put my husband in a nursing home when he became ill, but, I would not object to going to one. Uh-huh, uh-huh. I might, I might like to be, uh, coherent enough to make my own choice. Uh-huh. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Uh, I would not particularly think I would want my kids to say, "well, I think this is what ...
Uh-huh, sure. Uh-huh. When you get to the point where you are in trouble, and you have got to have that help, you are in no position to make those choices. Uh-huh. No and you do not have the time to look, that is what, I am saying, That is right. Uh-huh. most people will not even look at that until it becomes a necessi...
and he did fine, at home, Uh-huh. they lived on a farm, Uh-huh. but she made arrangements, so that when she was gone, she did not want her, her children, her other children burdened with his care. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. That is right. So he, they, she has made arrangements that when she, she was gone, that he would go into th...
Uh-huh, oh yes. Yes. Routine and, uh, constancy. Uh-huh. Uh-huh, uh-huh Uh, the only real problem with that in a nursing home is that the staff turns over. I do not think they pay, the nursing home staff sufficiently, to, to get the dedication that they have in some other profession, uh-huh. To keep them there, uh-huh....
Uh-huh. Right, right. But there seems to be a resistance. You are preserving your heritage and your future there. Yeah, yeah. So, uh, And, as a matter of fact, I do not see why they do not have children's programs in nursing homes. Well, around here, we have some, you know, the churches, take your, the children Uh-huh....
they said about magazines. We, I've probably personally take I think just two Okay. but that's because my mother-in-law takes every one they print and gives them to me, a month later so. So I get all of them. Uh, the one that I really especially enjoy, and you may be familiar with it from Wisconsin, is called COUNTRY. ...
What do you take? Well, I actually take COUNTRY LIVING, it's a country magazine on HOUSE BEAUTIFUL, because I like, um that kind of stuff. Uh-huh. Yeah, decorating. Decorating and, uh, getting ideas for a garden. Uh-huh. In fact, uh, right before you called, I was planning my tulips and, uh, putting them on blue print ...
and I think we took it especially just during the war to kind of catch up on everything and have it be digested. Sure. But we've kind of discontinued that right now Yeah. and we've, we're going to start taking that, uh, U S NEWS, uh, newspaper. U S A TODAY, I think it. Yeah, yeah, I've had TIME before. Yeah. I think wi...
Yeah, exactly it sounds exactly like what we did And then and, we just saved everything we could for our daughter Uh-huh. but, uh that's pretty similar, Uh-huh. but I find that with these COUNTRY magazines, I keep going back to them, getting ideas, looking back and saying, Jeez, there was a flower garden in there that ...
Uh, it just peaked, uh, last week, and it was just gorgeous out here, but. I bet it is gorgeous. Yeah, it's beautiful. The other thing about magazines, the only thing I don't like, is they really get heavily into advertising I agree, and, you know, it's, it's, it's fine, I'd rather almost have Uh-huh. I know that part,...
VOGUE is, heavily into that. and it was just nothing, uh-huh. And I thought, Why buy this? Yeah, exactly, it's almost You know, what's the point? I mean, you could go into a store and get bombarded the same way, That's right. And my number one pet peeve in a magazine, is when they put the perfume in it because, uh, re...
and I'm going back to GOURMET COOKING, because, um, I've had the magazine before, back in nineteen, uh, eighty-six, Oh. and I thought, Well, I'll give it a try again, because you get tired of one magazine, and you need to try a change. I understand. Well, do you , do you tear out of your magazines, your recipes or do y...
Yeah. Back when I decorated the house with a lot of the little country, uh, primitive things, the little, the little pigs and the jeez, and the ducks, and that, we had, that was the big rage here, couple of years ago. Uh-huh. And I bought a lot of the country magazines Sure, sure. and then it seems like when I put some...
yeah. It was hard, but I ended up, uh, reducing them down to like fifteen magazines out of, uh hundreds. Oh, that's good. And I just said, Okay, there's one picture in there that, it really doesn't, you know Uh-huh. it's got to have more than that right. it's got to have some good ideas Right. it's got to have everythi...
Uh-huh. so I pretty much have a, a wide range of, uh, what I like, and just, there isn't any particular music that I enjoy more than just listening to all kinds Uh-huh. Yeah. so that's about it. I can even take the now, it's, it's pretty neat music that they came out with, so. I'm pretty much the same way, but there's ...
the old, old country, Yeah. But other than that, I like pretty much everything. Yeah, yeah, that's the way I am, too, so, other than, uh, as far as instruments, I can go from piano to the saxophone. Lately, you know, with the new music that has come out, some of the really good, uh, music they have the saxophone playin...
Oh, it's all wet, Tiana. talking to I just wiped, uh, did the floor, and she slipped. On, no. Anyway, but, uh, um, yeah, I can take all kinds of music pretty much except for when you get, like I said, into the real hard rock, Uh-huh. Yeah, the heavy metal, Yeah, I have no interest in that, I, I don't have interest of l...
so. Uh-huh, exactly. Um. Okay, well it was good talking to you then. Well, same here. Okay. You all have a good day. You, too. Bye-bye. Bye now. Okay, Scott, let's, uh, talk about advice that we can offer a parent where the child is going to go to a university Uh-huh. Do you have any? and, Do you have any kids or, I ha...
I have three boys. Uh-huh. And they're all quite young Uh-huh. and so we want to plan for their education or we're saving right now and we're getting bonds, and, and, uh, and hopefully finances set aside so that they can choose a college that they want to. How about yourself? Do you have any kids? No, I'm in, I'm in gr...
Well I use, uh, uh, uh, I have used, uh, several techniques depending on what, for undergraduate, I, I, you know, my criteria were much different than than like for graduate school. Uh-huh. Uh, when I, when I wanted to go to an undergraduate institution, I was looking for something that was, you know, rather small and ...
I went to Utah State University which is in Logan, Utah Okay. Uh-huh. and the nice thing about it too is, I knew that I wanted to get into business and that their business, College of Business, was accredited and well known at least there in the State of Utah and around the surrounding states and so forth. Uh-huh. Uh-h...
So. Uh-huh. Do you, do you worry, do you worry any about, uh, uh, being able, I mean, obviously you've taken precautions, you know, or measures to, uh, try and pay for your children's education, but do you think that that's going to be enough? I don't think so. No. I don't know. The, the way that tuition is increasing,...
Uh-huh. and, uh, scholarships were very beneficial in my case to help pay for my education, because my parents couldn't. Uh-huh. And what the scholarship could not supply I was able to, to work for and and save and, and, and get. Yeah. Uh-huh. Also, my, my brother, um, he's a, he's a medical doctor right now. He had to...
Well, I know it's hard for young people to think about giving up their years, you know, their carefree years Uh-huh. but people that I have known that have done that, like from other countries, especially, from Germany and Finland, um, they are just, they have such a better, more mature, outlook on life Yeah. Yeah. and...
I was working on a masters degree so I wanted to stay close to where I was working on a masters degree, but also because I just thought that it would be interesting to live some place else so totally different than my own up bringing Uh-huh. and I, it changed, it probably changed my political views it changed my unders...
Because one of my neighbors, uh, did that in Pittsburgh, from Pittsburgh. Uh-huh. And I thought, you know, that really, now that I'm thirty years old, I think that one or two years out of my life would have, probably like you said, to be able to travel some place else whether it be the United States or outside the coun...
and I, I, one of the things I taught was a computer class Uh-huh. and these kids, um, you know, every girl I taught, except for one, was pregnant. Oh, no. Many of the boys in the room had children and they were, they were high school juniors. Uh-huh. And I just, there, you know, they came from poverty, they were going ...
and I don't the people that I've known like from Germany and Finland that have done that are, they do military service which, you know, I don't exactly recommend Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. but still they have benefited from it. Right. Uh-huh. And, um, you know, although I wouldn't want it to make people to go off to the milit...
A lot of people they flunk out or they get, they just get so excited to be away from home, they just spend all there time partying Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and they do a lot of things to themselves that, that we really don't want our young people to be doing Yeah, that's true. and, Uh-huh, that's right. Um. I, yeah, I think, I ...