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[3296.20 --> 3304.22] Okay. Um, I guess that was a long answer, but, uh, totally cool. Okay. So if, uh, if you had a |
[3304.22 --> 3308.84] weekend, totally free, uh, no one to hang out with nothing planned, nowhere to go, you kind |
[3308.84 --> 3313.58] of just got this weekend all to yourself. Um, what open source projects are on your radar |
[3313.58 --> 3314.54] that you're going to hack with? |
[3317.80 --> 3323.96] Um, it could be something new. It could be something you've been wanting to play with for |
[3323.96 --> 3325.22] a while, but just haven't had the time. |
[3325.22 --> 3333.80] Um, I, I mean, I've been doing a lot of work with backbone lately. Um, I have a friend who's |
[3333.80 --> 3341.48] a big fan of angular. Um, and I would love to probably do an app in angular just to get |
[3341.48 --> 3349.26] a feel for how that works. Angular seems to have a lot of promise of, it's sort of an unstructured, |
[3349.26 --> 3354.72] structured, it has structure, but it's, it's unstructured in a way that like, I feel like |
[3354.72 --> 3362.42] maybe Ember, Ember JS is a little too structured, um, in terms of what it, and too opinionated |
[3362.42 --> 3366.64] in terms of what it, what it does. And then backbone is like the reverse of that. It's like |
[3366.64 --> 3375.44] no structure. And how do you do stuff, uh, in backbone at all? Oh, I got to write my own, |
[3375.44 --> 3380.36] you know, it's like, it's like writing rails sometimes. Like you have to write your own |
[3380.36 --> 3385.72] big chunks of the framework in order to get to work. Um, and angular seems to, I don't know, |
[3385.74 --> 3390.32] a little bit more of a, of the right balance. I like their templating stuff. So I would probably, |
[3390.52 --> 3396.32] if I was doing a new app, I'd probably work with angular. Um, that would be one thing. |
[3397.66 --> 3405.42] Um, uh, I would be interested probably in doing, using, uh, SUSI in SAS. |
[3405.44 --> 3412.26] Um, on a project, get a feel for it. I have heard some great things from Eric about SUSI too. |
[3413.28 --> 3417.10] Um, he's been working on. |
[3417.54 --> 3424.42] SUSI's got to be one of the oldest, um, I guess we used to call them grid frameworks and now |
[3424.42 --> 3431.04] they've become just bootstraps or frameworks or I don't know, we know what you, CSS frameworks. |
[3431.70 --> 3435.52] Like it started out as a grid and it was like the, it was the one that was, |
[3435.86 --> 3440.76] I think I have the story right where it was based on somebody else's ideas, but it was written |
[3440.76 --> 3443.02] specifically with SAS in mind. |
[3444.48 --> 3449.92] Yeah. Well, I think that SUSI has been the enduring grid framework and SAS line. |
[3449.92 --> 3456.02] Yeah. Um, it's been there through all the iterations of web development, like it pre-responsive, |
[3456.02 --> 3457.18] post-responsive. |
[3458.24 --> 3459.24] Right. Yeah. |
[3459.56 --> 3467.50] And I, I think that like the, and I'm a big fan of a very modular approach to writing your, |
[3467.58 --> 3474.42] your CSS. So like for the SAS way, we're using foundations grid framework actually. Um, |
[3474.42 --> 3480.80] so spend a little bit of time and rip that out so that, you know, we could use it. Cause I like, |
[3480.80 --> 3486.82] one of the things about foundation is, is that it has this concept of, for the responsive side of |
[3486.82 --> 3491.44] things, like three different view, you have like your desktop, you have your tablet and then you have |
[3491.44 --> 3499.48] your phone view essentially. And, um, you can put these classes on things to, to size it. And as a |
[3499.48 --> 3507.46] basic default grid framework, it's amazing. But what, where like SUSI, like to me has some advantages |
[3507.46 --> 3514.84] is in allowing you to just kind of go hog wild and crazy. And the way that you implement your, |
[3514.84 --> 3521.88] your framework, like it has no requirements about like class names that you have to use or, um, |
[3522.40 --> 3529.38] it's all mix in base then it's, it's, um, it's all mix in based. Uh, you know, I think he |
[3529.38 --> 3535.12] has some like generators to make it easier for you. Um, but you can use it without using those |
[3535.12 --> 3542.44] grid classes, which some people like, um, about it. I feel like you could use SUSI to kind of create |
[3542.44 --> 3548.50] a custom framework for your website. So I'm very interested in it from, from that way. But again, |
[3548.56 --> 3554.38] I mean, I haven't seriously used it. We're using it on, um, one of our user voice sites right now. |
[3554.38 --> 3562.30] Um, so I've, I've sort of seen an implementation of it. Um, but yeah, I would, I, I, I definitely |
[3562.30 --> 3567.80] think there's more to investigate there. Um, seems like a great framework. |
[3568.80 --> 3574.28] So backbone you're a fan of, if you had a weekend free, you'd be hacking on Angular cause you want |
[3574.28 --> 3578.66] to, you want to play with that and you've heard lots of good stuff about it. And if, uh, your front |
[3578.66 --> 3584.72] end would, would use SUSI. Yeah, I think so. And so let's talk about maybe that just maybe |
[3584.72 --> 3590.18] elongate that for like maybe one more minute, which is, um, you know, how well does the SAS |
[3590.18 --> 3595.62] fit into it? Cause you have stylus in the JavaScript world, right? You got, um, that's kind of par for |
[3595.62 --> 3599.26] the course of you're going to do something there. What happens whenever you want to use something |
[3599.26 --> 3610.16] like SUSI, um, which is it compass agnostic or is it not? Um, it's a compass, a compass extension. |
[3610.42 --> 3616.04] Yeah. Uh, it's built on top of compass. And, and the main reason to do that is that, um, |
[3616.58 --> 3624.68] you can, you can basically package it up as a gem, your extension as a gem, and then compass |
[3624.68 --> 3631.20] can load it from that gem. Um, whereas if, if you use something else, then you're, you |
[3631.20 --> 3637.04] end up in a scenario where you dump your styles, the styles from that thing into a certain directory, |
[3637.04 --> 3644.58] and then you have to figure out the loading yourself. Um, so the compass extensions, it, |
[3644.58 --> 3649.06] it is a true compass extension in that regard. Yeah. |
[3649.06 --> 3655.44] So you kind of got some, some hurdles to, to hop over to hack with angular and use compass |
[3655.44 --> 3661.52] Ruby based gems potentially, or at least be both sides of the fence, right? |
[3662.28 --> 3667.50] Yeah. It seems like a lot of SAS stuff is being distributed over, um, Bauer, like with JavaScript. |
[3667.98 --> 3677.16] Um, so depending on what the backend is, I might end up using, uh, I don't know, that would |
[3677.16 --> 3680.42] be interesting. Well, when you cross that bridge and you get that weekend, you let us know. |
[3681.54 --> 3685.04] That's what I want to know. All right. Last question for you then. Um, |
[3687.02 --> 3691.06] this is a fun one too. So, I mean, feel free to think on this one for, for about a half a second, |
[3691.06 --> 3697.94] but, uh, who would you say is let's, let's open it up for you since you're a designer and developer |
[3697.94 --> 3705.18] who is, you know, like your web hero, you know, who, who is someone that has kind of like either been |
[3705.18 --> 3709.74] guidance to you? Maybe it's somebody who taught you early on, somebody took you into their wing, |
[3710.14 --> 3716.02] could be whatever, could be, you know, a past school teacher that might've inspired you, but |
[3716.02 --> 3721.60] who's someone you would, you would consider a hero, um, to you in terms of web development? |
[3721.60 --> 3737.00] Um, I mean, it's probably, I mean, there's definitely a bunch of people in my life in that way. Um, |
[3738.04 --> 3746.20] different coworkers, bosses, that kind of thing. In terms of a inspirational kind of person, |
[3746.20 --> 3754.70] I would probably have to go with, uh, Sean Inman. Um, and what he's done in sort of, |
[3755.62 --> 3761.08] Sean does design and development, uh, and he's built his own products and that's kind of the |
[3761.08 --> 3769.88] intersection of like all of the things I love. Um, so I, I admire him a whole lot. Uh, I, I would |
[3769.88 --> 3775.24] love to do exactly what he's doing right now, getting into like game development. And I don't know, |
[3775.24 --> 3780.56] it seems like, uh, I'd love going over to his blog and looking at what he's working on. So he, |
[3780.56 --> 3789.20] I mean, he's definitely one. Um, yeah, I mean so many, so many web heroes, Douglas Bowman, uh, |
[3789.34 --> 3799.02] used to be a big fan of his. Uh, I can remember when I was working on Radiant, um, I, uh, the way |
[3799.02 --> 3803.46] that he had built his site, like I tried to make Radiant so that it could do a site like his really |
[3803.46 --> 3810.14] easily. He, he used to curate links on design and books and all of those types of things. So I |
[3810.14 --> 3816.96] wanted Radiant to be able to make it easy to curate those, um, you know, lists of things and, |
[3816.96 --> 3827.22] and it did. Um, so yeah, I don't know. It's, it's really interesting that when I first got into web |
[3827.22 --> 3837.10] development, there were all of these guys that I looked up to, um, and it seems like some of them |
[3837.10 --> 3842.62] have, are not as active anymore in communicating. Nobody blogs anymore, I guess is what it is. |
[3842.72 --> 3847.36] Everybody micro blogs. I mean, that's, it's the Twitter thing, you know, everybody's there. |
[3847.36 --> 3855.54] Yeah. Twitter. You know, it's, it's kind of changed. I mean, um, well, Doug, you know, |
[3855.64 --> 3860.02] you said Douglas Bowman, so he used to blog a lot and he doesn't blog much anymore. And I think Sean |
[3860.02 --> 3865.18] Emmons did as well. And I think that was the rage was, that was the way we kind of originally began, |
[3865.18 --> 3871.98] um, to social network, you know, and then since then actual social networks with following and |
[3871.98 --> 3878.46] actual lists, not blog roles in your sidebar sort of took over that, uh, you know, replaced that older |
[3878.46 --> 3885.14] model and people, they, they, you're right. They do blog a lot less. I think before we kind of had to, |
[3885.18 --> 3890.64] to get our opinions out there, whereas now there's different ways we can share our opinions like on |
[3890.64 --> 3896.42] podcasts and stuff like that. But, uh, Sean Emmons, I think he's been mentioned at least once before, |
[3896.42 --> 3901.96] for sure, as a, as a hero on the show. And I gotta agree, I'm huge on him and fan. Um, |
[3901.96 --> 3910.18] I think I can't even imagine how awesome that guy is to be able to design code, think through |
[3910.18 --> 3918.18] products. And he's a game designer. I mean, like he can, he did that. Um, I forget what this, |
[3918.32 --> 3923.24] what the project was called. I think it was called like retro something, um, on Kickstarter. He and I |
[3923.24 --> 3928.96] think two or three other fellows were doing like really quick iterative game design where like they'd do |
[3928.96 --> 3934.54] a game a week or something like that or a game a month. And it was, I, I backed that and got the |
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