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• The speaker emphasizes the simplicity and flexibility of Ziki, making it easy to create custom commands and UIs. |
• No central repository for Ziki commands, relying on the developer's Git repository |
• Plans for a distribution mechanism like Ruby Gems or npm in the future |
• Several hundred built-in commands, with around 400 being useful |
• Easy command creation, with "hello world" example being a text file with "world" in it |
• Ziki shell (xsh) for interacting with Ziki, using commands like "heroku" to display app information |
• Configuring and editing Ziki commands, with options to browse logs and filter results |
• A 10,000 dollar reward to get a company's logo on Ziki.org and xsh.org for a year |
• The speaker is discussing a feature in their project, Ziki, that allows users to interact with the output of commands in a shell console. |
• The feature, called xsh, enables users to expand the output of a command and then create a wrapper around it to perform actions. |
• The speaker mentions how this feature can make complex tasks, such as killing processes, much easier and more efficient. |
• They also discuss the exposure their project has received, including being featured on major outlets like TechCrunch and Linux Journal. |
• The speaker attributes the success to their videos and the feature xsh, which was recently implemented. |
• They express gratitude for the positive coverage and recognition from experts in the field, including Carla Schroeder. |
• Discussing Kickstarter funding and lack of traction |
• Exploring alternative funding options, such as company sponsorships |
• Describing the future of Ziki as a language for creating user interfaces |
• Proposing a simple, indented textual syntax for representing UIs |
• Outlining the potential for Ziki to be used across various devices and platforms |
• Discussing the need for a standard, simple format for defining interfaces |
• The importance of structuring code before adding platform-specific functionality |
• Using a universal navigation structure and conditionally applying platform-specific features |
• Introducing Ziki, a tool that allows for rapid development of mobile apps using a wiki-inspired syntax |
• Ziki's features, including the ability to type commands, navigate a mobile interface, and embed code |
• Creating apps with zero code using Ziki's syntax and tools |
• The potential for Ziki to be used for various applications, such as conference schedules and read-only apps |
• Embedding dynamic code within Ziki apps |
• The potential for Ziki to be used in conjunction with existing shells and development tools. |
• Discussing the idea of pairing with others to collaborate on projects |
• The importance of speaking to users and getting feedback in real-time |
• The goal of building a team and creating a community around Ziki |
• The benefits of pairing, including learning and having fun |
• The potential for pairing to lead to new projects, jobs, and team members |
• The future of software development being open, embracive, and social |
• A sponsor shoutout to Top Towel, highlighting their acceptance process and how they work with engineers |
• Daniel Laubacher is now an elite engineer at Top Towel, with 100% control over projects and technologies, and can set his own rates. |
• Top Towel is recommended for freelancers or those looking to test freelancing. |
• The host will be speaking at Ruby Rogues and potentially other conferences in the future. |
• The host will also be releasing a one-line installer for XSH, allowing for easy installation and use. |
• XSH features include one-line installers for common tools like HTML, CSS, and Node, as well as documentation and examples. |
• XSH allows for command history, favorites, and undo/redo functionality. |
• XSH is designed to make the command line more discoverable and user-friendly for beginners and power users alike. |
• Plans for an open-source project, Ziki, with a focus on expanding user contributions and features |
• Ability to browse databases and run commands with real-time output and saving capabilities |
• Features such as DOM editing and updating, with immediate browser reflection |
• Kickstarter campaign with various reward options, including a T-shirt and a pairing session with the project creator |
• Transparency and user override options for included commands and features |
• Plans for post-Kickstarter development, including commercial project integrations |
• Discussing a potential Kickstarter campaign for the Ziki project |
• Collaborating on a video featuring the project's command-line tool |
• The goal of raising at least $10,000 and the potential for a larger campaign |
• Spreading the word about the project and encouraging other companies to back it |
• The possibility of a smaller campaign for XSH and the project's future |
• The importance of creating an open and flexible language for UI development |
• Encouraging the community to step in and help, including reaching out to companies for support |
• The speaker is promoting a video project, likely for Mozilla and other companies, and encourages employees to support open-source initiatives. |
• The speaker discusses their admiration for Ward Cunningham, who is credited with creating the original wiki. |
• Ward Cunningham's work on wikis and his design pattern chops are highlighted as an inspiration to the speaker. |
• The speaker mentions their personal experience with wikis, having been introduced to one by Ward Cunningham, and its impact on their understanding of software development. |
• The speaker also mentions their enthusiasm for extreme programming and pair programming, which were influenced by Ward Cunningham's work. |
• The speaker thanks Ward Cunningham for his contributions to the software development community and invites listeners to check out his projects. |
[0.00 --> 13.84] welcome back everyone this is the changelog where our member supported blog podcast |
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[26.40 --> 34.62] 126 jared and i talked to craig muth about ziki a cool new project that brings the power of shell |
[34.62 --> 41.08] commands to everyone it's a pretty wild and deep conversation we have with craig so definitely |
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[95.46 --> 105.52] we're joined today by craig muth he is uh i don't know craig you're doing some crazy stuff um some are |
[105.52 --> 111.76] saying change the way shell works um you're here to talk about this very cool project you |
[111.76 --> 118.76] have started i guess 10 years ago zicky which is super powerful for the shell and uh and some |
[118.76 --> 124.86] pretty cool stuff so we also have jared santo on the call as well doing some doing some uh some |
[124.86 --> 131.98] heavy lifting here right jared yo what's up how's it going guys yes yeah i'm here heavy lifting um i |
[131.98 --> 136.24] don't know what that is but uh that's how it goes but craig welcome to the show finally i you're a |
[136.24 --> 141.16] listener of the show right yes big fan how many how many changelog shows have you listened to |
[141.16 --> 146.90] oh man probably about some somewhere around 10 just like sort of like spread out uh all over the place |
[146.90 --> 155.66] you got a favorite money chance um let's see i uh i'm a big fan of rethink db so that was a good one |
[155.66 --> 161.84] that was a good show um i didn't know we're gonna have a quiz section i'm a big fan of avdi's and a |
[161.84 --> 167.10] huge fan of pair programming so that was that was a pretty good one for me as well yes yeah i think |
[167.10 --> 173.44] a lot of people have uh have enjoyed that show as well it's a good show cool yeah totally so i guess |
[173.44 --> 177.40] let's kick off with i guess why we're on this call you reached out to us a couple days ago because |
[177.40 --> 182.20] you got a kickstarter ending we'll fast forward to like the now present and kind of rewind and play |
[182.20 --> 187.48] back cool but like right now you're dealing with a pretty much what i can tell is a 10 year old |
[187.48 --> 193.24] project that's uh just now kind of getting some real limelight you've been using for a very long |
[193.24 --> 197.58] time but now you also have a kickstarter going on to kind of help fund it to the next level and this |
[197.58 --> 204.00] isn't the first time we've had a uh an open source project on the show that's primarily start well not |
[204.00 --> 208.26] primarily but started from a kickstarter and and so that's where you're at right now why don't you |
[208.26 --> 213.94] give the listeners kind of a an intro to who you are and kind of what zicky is and what you're doing and |
[213.94 --> 221.36] maybe even why my kickstarter okay yeah sure um i'm uh i'm a coder first and foremost i've always |
[221.36 --> 226.70] kind of loved coding i uh grew up in ohio kind of started out like most of us just kind of hacking |
[226.70 --> 231.96] around and and doing things doing a bunch of coding that i really kind of got excited about |
[231.96 --> 238.36] um went to school got beaten down a little bit and uh taught i to do some structure my first |
[238.36 --> 243.72] consulting job i i really bought into the like high structure o-o stuff for everything and uh |
[243.72 --> 250.14] kind of had phases back and forth but i've always had a kind of a rebellious streak against uh against |
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