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[3934.54 --> 3940.24] t-shirt to prove it, but, uh, literally got the t-shirt to prove it. Um, and that wasn't just a |
[3940.24 --> 3944.78] joke or something to say, but I think he's an awesome guy, man. Like, I think he is just really |
[3944.78 --> 3949.88] talented and it's those kinds of people that, man, you just wish they shared a bit more. |
[3949.88 --> 3955.44] Yeah. Seriously. Doug, why are you not blogging anymore? I don't mean like, you know, |
[3955.48 --> 3961.20] why don't you blog every day, but like, you know, they've got such insights to like, um, you know, |
[3961.24 --> 3966.62] Doug is a really, really blessed designer. He's had a really great track history of great design, |
[3966.70 --> 3972.36] everything from the version two, I think, which is kind of forever ago of wired and a number of other |
[3972.36 --> 3978.16] like redesigns that he was a part of. And now he's leading design at Twitter and he's, you know, |
[3978.16 --> 3982.72] a part of the team that's responsible for all the new great ways Twitter's rolling out their design |
[3982.72 --> 3987.54] sign. I, I don't mean share like that. I mean, share some of their wisdom, you know? |
[3989.10 --> 3996.60] Yeah. I mean, I think it, it's definitely a season thing, um, for a lot of those guys. I, |
[3996.60 --> 4002.86] I mean, it's, it's, it's hard to be in the public spot spotlight in that regard. I, I've heard that |
[4002.86 --> 4016.50] about Sean that, um, he never really expected to become one of the web gods and, uh, that, |
[4016.58 --> 4022.26] that he's, he's really a, you know, kind of a quiet guy in that regard, humble person. Um, |
[4022.58 --> 4028.74] yeah. And, uh, very talented, but, um, you know, just wasn't expecting to be in the spotlight and |
[4028.74 --> 4034.74] I don't know. I, I, yeah, but the fans, we guys, we want to know. |
[4036.18 --> 4041.26] We'll have to get Sean on the show. Cause I mean, I know that he's, um, I'm not sure how active he, |
[4041.26 --> 4047.50] he is an open source, but, um, we'll have to get into at least release something, uh, open source. |
[4047.58 --> 4051.22] We can get him on the show. It's kind of like part of the course. You have to, you know, |
[4051.34 --> 4055.88] Oh, you have to release something. I mean, you know, it's the change log, you know, |
[4055.88 --> 4066.20] open source moves fast. Keep up. Yeah. So we need a new show where we can, we can just interview, |
[4066.20 --> 4073.14] interview our, our heroes here. Well, you know, to, to speak on that, I mean, I think one of the |
[4073.14 --> 4081.00] things we want to do here, um, is I would like to do, I would like to have more shows, but the, |
[4081.00 --> 4087.48] the problem that comes into play is, is the same reason with open source. You just have only a |
[4087.48 --> 4092.40] limited amount of time. And so I've just tried to like bite off only as much as I can chew. Cause |
[4092.40 --> 4098.56] if I, I want to do everything I do to excellence, you know, I don't want to like half bought anything. |
[4098.86 --> 4104.86] Yeah. I kind of get that. I do wonder about like a special feature though, or something. I don't know. |
[4104.86 --> 4110.96] Yeah. Something to think about. We'll do it though. I mean, cause it's actually, um, an idea I've |
[4110.96 --> 4116.86] wanted to do, which was just, um, take the show that we have here. Cause it's pretty popular. |
[4117.24 --> 4121.74] It's on five by five. You know, everyone who listens to it, loves it. A lot of people write in, |
[4122.28 --> 4126.60] um, and say it's their favorite show. And I appreciate everyone who does that. I mean, |
[4126.62 --> 4131.38] it's certainly the star spirits and keeps the team, you know, motivated and whatnot. But, |
[4131.38 --> 4136.66] um, I'd like to expand a little bit more on the show and do something a little different. I think |
[4136.66 --> 4140.76] the show is great. We have people on, we talk about open source and it's kind of got this rhythm, |
[4140.76 --> 4146.40] but I kind of want to break it up and do, um, not so much more shows, but like different segments, |
[4146.72 --> 4152.44] you know, not always do the same exact show every time. Yeah. I mean, I think there's something along |
[4152.44 --> 4158.36] the lines of like the, you know, you have the news every night, but then there's like, um, the morning |
[4158.36 --> 4163.32] show and, you know, other things like that. Exactly. You know, there's, there's gotta be |
[4163.32 --> 4167.76] room to kind of branch out a little bit. We're gonna, long story short, we're gonna, |
[4168.20 --> 4175.44] we're gonna, um, play with that idea a bit more, but, uh, no promises. We'll see. |
[4176.72 --> 4181.62] It's on our, uh, it's on our to-do list of thinking through that's for sure. But yeah, |
[4181.70 --> 4185.74] you know, John, it's been great having you back on the show. I think that, um, you know, |
[4185.74 --> 4191.16] in all ways that you contribute to open source. I know that I've certainly learned a lot from you've |
[4191.16 --> 4196.30] been a great friend over the years and, um, you know, working with you on the SAS way and all |
[4196.30 --> 4201.80] that it's going to do in the community is just looking forward to where, where we're taking that. |
[4201.86 --> 4205.78] And I think, you know, we'll say it here just because I know we're going to do it soon, but |
[4205.78 --> 4211.68] we've talked about, um, SAS weekly or some sort of weekly newsletter we're going to do. So we're |
[4211.68 --> 4216.88] starting to execute on that as well. And that'll be open as well. Um, the same as, |
[4217.02 --> 4221.40] as everything else is. I'm really excited about the future, man, for us. |
[4222.44 --> 4225.24] Yeah, me too. Very, very excited about it. |
[4225.44 --> 4232.04] And, uh, yeah, the, the SAS way.com go there. Um, github.com slash the SAS way. |
[4232.46 --> 4237.04] We've got a couple repos there. We've got our identity repo there. If you need to use a logo, |
[4237.04 --> 4241.66] uh, by the way, we didn't even get to mention that, but Berman painter, thank you so much for |
[4241.66 --> 4249.50] your hard work on SAS's logo. And then subsequently our, our inheritance of, uh, of your skills to |
[4249.50 --> 4254.70] rock out the SAS way. And then I guess you, John, for your tweaked version of it, right? Your tweaked |
[4254.70 --> 4259.82] version is a little bit different than Berman's, but using his art. So it's good stuff. |
[4259.82 --> 4265.90] Yeah. Berman got it going for us. And, um, then I, I sort of put together the final, |
[4265.90 --> 4273.36] uh, part of it, but it's his brushstrokes that are amazing. But yeah, the SAS way.com, |
[4273.48 --> 4279.08] uh, github.com slash the SAS way. If you want to fork the repo and share your thoughts, |
[4279.16 --> 4283.28] open an issue. If you just want to chime in with us and say hello, I mean, issues don't have to just |
[4283.28 --> 4290.04] be problems. That could be ideas. Say hello. Um, and, and we'd, we'd love to hear your thoughts on |
[4290.04 --> 4297.00] your, uh, what, what gets you excited about SAS and writing CSS the SAS way and just get you excited |
[4297.00 --> 4302.26] about design. So share your thoughts, but I also want to give a shout out to our, uh, our sponsors |
[4302.26 --> 4307.54] of the show, digital ocean and top top for supporting the show. We definitely love you guys. |
[4307.54 --> 4314.14] Digital ocean.com and top towel.com T O P T A L.com. Not, uh, somebody wrote in and said, |
[4314.20 --> 4319.64] I'm not sure what you say when you say top towel, Adam, is it, is it top like towel, like a bath towel? |
[4319.86 --> 4328.68] And I'm like, I can't help it. They got a hard to pronounce business name. Um, it's top towel T O P T A L.com. |
[4329.58 --> 4333.18] But, uh, yeah, John, thank you so much for, for joining us today on the show. And thanks |
[4333.18 --> 4338.22] so much for all that you do, uh, until we hear from you again, let's say goodbye for now. |
[4338.64 --> 4340.04] Okay. Thanks so much. |
[4363.18 --> 4381.44] Thanks. |
• Introduction to the Changelog podcast and episode 126 |
• Announcement of a Kickstarter campaign for a project called Ziki |
• Interview with Craig Muth, creator of Ziki |
• Description of Ziki as a project that brings the power of shell commands to everyone |
• Discussion of Craig's background and experience as a coder |
• Explanation of Ziki's origins and evolution over 10 years |
• Overview of Ziki's features and benefits, including flexibility and simplicity |
• The speaker used to work for banks and insurance companies in Ohio, but moved to Silicon Valley to work on their own startup, memorize.com |
• The speaker then shifted focus to an open-source project called Ziki, which is a command-line tool that allows users to navigate directories and run shell commands in a more interactive and visual way |
• Ziki has a free-form interface that allows users to edit and interact with output as if it were a GUI tree |
• The speaker has been working on Ziki for several years and has finally reached a point where it's ready for release, with a Kickstarter campaign to help fund its development |
• Ziki has a small but dedicated user base, with some users having used it for several years and appreciating its unique features, but the speaker acknowledges that the install process can be difficult and may be a barrier for some users |
• Ziki's interaction with text files and its output |
• Comparison with PRI, a REPL with integration points |
• Ideas for integrating Ziki with PRI and creating a unified interface |
• Integration with various text editors, including Aquamax and Emacs |
• Tentative support for Vim and Sublime Text |
• Development of xsh, a CLI-based interface for Ziki |
• Keyboard navigability and interactive features of xsh |
• Technical implementation details of xsh, including running within Emacs |
• Operating system support, including Linux, Mac, and potential Windows support |
• Kickstarter campaign and plans for development and community involvement |
• The speaker started using Emacs but disliked its default keyboard shortcuts |
• They created a custom file navigation system in Emacs using Lisp |
• They discovered the library El4R, which allows programming in Emacs using Ruby |
• They ported their custom navigation system to El4R and Ruby |
• The speaker's productivity increased significantly after making the switch to Ruby |
• They developed a tool called Ziki, which is a wiki-inspired system for creating commands |
• Ziki allows users to create custom commands using various programming languages, including Ruby, Python, and JavaScript |
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