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Well, yeah, I think a lot of people were, uh, leaving Michigan all about the time I came here in the early eighties and it seemed like it was almost a mass exodus. Oh, yeah. You know, the, the little joke about, will the last person leaving Michigan just turn out the light Oh, well, it's a nice place, you know, I mean it's, it's a nice, that's a nice place, though. Well, you know, I, I said I lived in, uh, the Pontiac. I didn't live in the city of Pontiac, I lived to the west of it. Uh, I forget the, the county, but you know where all the lakes are around there. Okay, sort of. I lived in an apartment complex on one of the lakes. It was real close to where I worked. It was only like four miles to work and it was wonderful being on the lake like that. You know, in the summer, you feel like you're, you know, on a vacation all the time because you're right on a lake and everybody's, you know, out enjoying the water and such,
and, uh, in the winter time the lakes froze over, you could still kind of go sledding and such out there but I thought it was just really neat to be out there on all those lakes. There's lots of really small ones out there. Yeah. You know, like maybe a mile, two long. Yeah. That's enough to, uh, do some boating That's right. and it was lots of fun. That's right. Which is, Um. well, I think it's, I think it's toward Ann Arbor, so it's probably out in that direction, but that's the only one I probably could name after all these years Uh-huh. so, But, uh, Yeah, yeah. But it was, yeah, just lots of little lakes
and, of course, it was, you know, a little more expensive to live on the lake, but I just thought that was grand. And I think a lot of people didn't really know that there were all those lakes out there unless you were from that area and kind of spotted them, but there was quite a few lakes all around there. It seemed like, it was almost like you were living on an island there was so much water around where I was. I said I wasn't close to downtown Pontiac, I was way out to the west maybe four or five miles from, from the city limits and it was really nice out there. Yeah. We had, uh, Pine Knob you know, to go skiing and stuff. Oh. Right. Right. So there were things around there. Really was pretty nice. Sure, sure, and isn't that where they have a summer music festival there, too? Right,
right in the summertime they have musicals there and in the winter time they make snow and have a ski slope. That's right, that's right. I know, we used to, we, we didn't do a lot of it, but we did. We did, Yeah, yeah. so those are always fun. And Alpine, was it Alpine was another ski slope that we went to, It was nice. Uh-huh. Uh-huh, uh-huh. I always tell people that in the winter we use, we used to, uh, my dad would kind of bank up the snow in the backyard and turn the hose on, you know, make a pond in the backyard for us. Oh, yeah, yeah. So but, uh, you know, we probably did some ice skating on it,
but then it chipped, chipped and, you know, it would melt or whatever and get pretty uneven so, Yeah, yeah. We used to have a Christmas time, uh, some of our relatives would come up from Alabama, and I think most times we would have snow around Christmas and the kids when they were young would just go nuts. Yeah. You know, because they were from Alabama where it never snowed Oh. and they just had a grand time watching the snow and getting out there and playing in it, you know, eternally. Oh. Oh, right, right. If only it would make nice snow here in Texas, we'd be okay at Christmas time. My first winter here, I, I came down in, uh, early eighty-two and there was just a freak snowfall early one morning in December couple days before Christmas.
It lasted only a few hours, like by noon it was gone. Yeah. Yeah. And I remember getting up and somebody telling me, hey, better wait to go to work because the roads are all, you know, snow And I was laughing, going yeah, right, that's a good practical joke, ha ha. They said, no really, there's snow and there was, but a very short time and the weather got warm so quick Yeah. it just melted it all away. Yeah, yeah, I know. Course, when we get an ice storm, that's not too much fun. No, that's not fun either, so, uh, I, I just as soon have all the slushy snow on the streets than have the ice on the streets so, But, uh, well we have,
our house is kind of on a little hill, so, uh, we get the sled out and, uh, the kids go down the the hill on the sleds when it's icy, I mean they just go down the ice. Yeah. And if it's cold, we say, okay, out you go. I think we must be the only people on the block that make use of that cold weather and get out there. Oh, yeah. I think it's fun, even the couple of ice storms I've gotten out there in my ski pants or something and still just been out and enjoying it a little bit. I mean, sometimes the ice is pretty bad, but if you get on the, the, uh, grassy kind of part, you get a little bit of traction, you know, not slip and fall. I mean, first, I really haven't seen any movies lately, so when the computer picked this one, I was a little bit surprised, but, I think I haven't been to the movie theater here in about, oh, six months, but, uh, you know, the last movies that I've seen were probably on video. Oh, well that's, we rent a lot of videos too. Yeah
Uh, we saw, I have two little babies and we saw one movie recently and that was THE TERMINATOR movie, uh, which I didn't like after all . Uh-huh. Yeah, now I I haven't seen THE TERMINATOR movie, but, and that's kind of blood and guts, isn't it. I don't particularly care for that sort of stuff. Well, I don't either. It, on all the, the advertisements Arnold Schwarzenegger says he doesn't kill anybody in the movie. He doesn't. He maims them Yeah, right. So, Yeah, he maims them pretty good, doesn't he? Uh-huh.
He, he, uh, I think he shoots off their knee caps for the most part. In the movie. Yeah. Uh-huh. So. I, I saw, uh, SLEEPING WITH THE ENEMY. Uh, Uh, I saw it, uh, Oh, I haven't seen that one yet. oh, couple weeks ago I rented it and, uh, watched it and I was, I was pretty disappointed in it because I, I was told by several people that it's pretty scary and intense Uh-huh. and I was pretty disappointed in it. Oh. Now it's a good movie, but, I guess that they built me up too much. For my expectations in it there. Yeah, well, With all the commercials and everything. Uh-huh. I haven't, that's one we want to see.
I, I want to see, uh, DANCES WITH WOLVES. Uh-huh. But, we haven't seen that one yet, either. Yeah. Now I haven't seen it either, but, uh, I've heard that it's real long. That it's a good movie, but it's long, like three hours. Yeah, that's what I heard, too. Yeah, we've got to get it at a time when we can put our kids to bed and stay up late to watch it We saw, uh, the, the, uh, movie with, uh, Sylvester Stallone, OSCAR. That's right. That's right. OSCAR. Supposed to be his, uh, his debut in comedy. Uh-huh. Which was an interesting movie, but not very funny. Yeah. I know my daughter saw that and she liked it so,
Did she? Yeah Well, it was, it was an amusing movie. Uh-huh. It I guess maybe it would have been better if we'd have been at the theater as opposed to, uh, just at the house watching it with, with no one else around. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So, And, of course, I get to watch all these movies like LOOK WHO'S TALKING and WHO'S, LOOK WHO'S TALKING, TOO and, because I have a ten year old so, We, we watch a lot of movies around that category, you know that she, that she can watch Oh. Uh-huh. My son just turned two and so THE LITTLE MERMAID is now our favorite movie. Yeah. We seen THE LITTLE MERMAID, too. LITTLE MERMAID and PETER PAN I think are, are his two favorites that we've got Uh-huh.
Uh-huh. And there's some, I think there's some good Disney movies fixing to come out on video, uh, SHIPWRECKED. Oh, I haven't, I didn't hear that was coming out. Uh-huh. Yeah, it's fixing to come out on video and, boy, I can't think of the other one that's fixing to come out. Well, they just had uh, THE RESCUERS movie But, Uh-huh. that was a Disney movie, wasn't it. I think I heard that was just one, was just out. He's, uh, he doesn't sit still for the whole movie, yet, but he likes to, uh, to listen to the music and stuff if there's a lot of that in the in the movie. Right. Uh-huh. Well, I'm glad to know that there's somebody else out there that doesn't get to go to the movie theater Well, I tell you, ever my, my kids are just small babies and, I tell you, we really want to go a lot
Yeah. and, uh, there's so much out on video now, that it's almost, you know, the movie comes out quicker than you can go see it. Sometimes. Uh-huh. And then they go to the dollar movies. So. Uh-huh That seems to happen. I noticed that DANCES WITH WOLVES was playing at the, uh, Granada Theater. Uh-huh. And, uh, someone said that was a lot of fun to go do. You can have dinner and everything while you watch the movie. I thought that might be kind of fun to do. Yeah, that does sound fun. And, of course, you need a baby-sitter for that Definitely. But, uh, no, I'd really like to get out to the movies more often. Course, it's so expensive, now, too that you can't hardly afford it. Right.
I, I know we get discount tickets where my husband works, Uh-huh. but, other than that it just seems like it's so expensive. And then the popcorn and everything else, you almost can't afford to do it. No matter what. That's right. Although we did actually get, we went on vacation couple months ago, and we got to go see WHAT ABOUT BOB? Uh-huh. That was kind of a funny movie with, uh, Richard Dreyfuss and Bill Murray. Uh-huh. That was fun. Golly, I don't think that I've ever heard of that movie. Oh, he's a, Richard Dreyfuss is a, uh, psychiatrist and Bob is his patient and Bob follows him on vacation. It's, uh, Oh, that's the, that's the one where they burn down the house or something
Uh-huh, uh-huh the house explodes? Uh-huh. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's the one. Okay, yeah. Another movie that I want to see if it ever comes out on video so I can see it without my daughter around is, uh, oh, I just forgot the title of it. Uh Oh, it's supposed to be a real scary one Uh, darn, well, here, here's another one that I've seen. I saw, uh, I can't remember the title of it, either Must have left an impression. How would you feel about sending an elderly family member to a nursing home? Well, I don't feel very good about it, but I think that at some times it can be the right thing to do.
We sent my grandfather to a nursing home at the point when he was really incapable of caring for himself anymore. Uh-huh. He actually died a few months after that, and so as, at least in retrospect, it was the right thing to do because he was either in a nursing home or a hospital or something else that he would have been spending most of his time in those days. Right. And what type of recommendations did you have when you decided where to place him? Um, well, the, see, uh, well, we, he wanted to get into a Mennonite nursing home which is very popular and hard to get into and had like a ten year waiting list Oh, my. right, we wound up just choosing a, another Mennonite nursing home that was easier to get into. Or but naturally, no, it was even Mennonite related, I'm sorry, it was actually not a particularly great nursing home. Mostly the thing was that it was available when we needed it, because he suddenly got sick and needed to be put in. Yeah, so the convenience,
Right. Uh, what do you think? My grandmother lived with us, um, until August, um, and we made the decision to put her in a nursing home. She has leukemia Uh-huh. and her, the rest of her family and her regular doctors and everybody she trusted and knew was in Dayton, and were several thousand miles away Yeah. so I made the decision to put her in a nursing home, and my sister being on the other end found one that she could have what was called an independent living facility. She had her own little room and didn't have to share it with anyone and could bring in her own chair and T V set Yeah so. yeah, that's important I would say. Yes. And that, the other major factor is that she needs blood transfusions every week to ten days, and would have to be hospitalized a day or two, so in this facility they can do it right there from her own room Okay. so she didn't have to be transported back and forth.
So, she's been there since August the thirteenth and seems to have adjusted pretty well. It's not her favorite place to be in. She'd much rather be here with me. But when it got to the point I was spending more time at the hospital with her, Yeah. and I've got little children here who needed me here she needed somebody to watch her twenty-four hours a day. Right, and that becomes difficult then. So. She was falling down and hemorrhaging and, you know, all kinds of physical problems, so it just became too much for me to handle, even though I would have liked to have had her stay, with her health being what it was she couldn't anymore. Uh-huh. Yep, we tried to convince my grandfather to live with us at several points during the last few years of his life, but he was essentially too proud and too independent so that even though his heart was getting incredibly weak and his knees were going bad he lived in his own house as long as he could Yeah. Uh-huh.
Yeah. but he was living alone, had an upstairs apartment, could barely make it up the steps to the top without a great deal of pain, Oh. and this, eventually things just went too far Yeah. and he allowed himself to be put into a nursing home. Yes, well, I think sometimes when people get to be a certain age, other people have to kind of help them make decisions. It sure wouldn't have been Granny's decision to leave us and go back to a nursing home, but she's accepted it real well now Right so. well that's, yeah, that's right that the children have some responsibility, too, to their parents and such, to help decide what's the right thing. Well, we enjoyed having her here, And. but we feel she's much safer where she is now. She still continues to fall, but when she does there, a nurse is right there to help her Uh-huh.
and I know she's eating the right things, and her doctor's right there where he can come in and check on her, so. It became dangerous for us to keep transporting her back and forth in the car because she was so wobbly and needed a walker or a wheel chair Yep. so, I think she'll adjust, Okay, while I was waiting for you to connect, I, I thought of a couple of menus, so I decided it had to be in it, informal or not. You know because that's a lot of fun, especially this time of year where it's so nice out. *sv Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yes. Um, if it was formal I'd probably go with something like a chicken breast or lasagna or something. I'm not I'm not into formal dinner parties, but I'd probably go with lasagna, a green salad, and garlic bread. I see. So what do you use for cookbooks? Um, I have a PILLSBURY cookbook I got when I was married, but, it's kind of the bible of cooking for me. Uh-huh,
uh-huh. Then I have some from like church that are more family recipes that are more useful You know, budget cookbooks, Uh-huh. but and, of course, you get a lot from when you're growing up. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Um, I cook a lot the same as, as my mom did, of course I've added several different recipes, Right. but, what you serve or what would you Well, I, I, I think we come from, from different backgrounds, uh, so the, Well, that's good I, I, I, so, it you know, have different perspectives that you are. I find the JOY OF COOKING to be a remarkably useful book to, to fall back on, Uh-huh. because it has almost everything in it. But on the other hand, it's not very inspiring, uh,
it's a good reference when you need to dig something up. Uh-huh. What we've found very useful is a book called THE THIRTY MINUTE COOKBOOK, I think that's the title, by Marion Burroughs Huh. uh, which has recipes which allegedly can all be prepared in thirty minutes, you know, the whole meal Yeah and so she's that would be wonderful in these times yeah, now, now, I, I find that the cutting up of the food, and all that really makes it take a little longer than thirty minutes. Yeah, Uh-huh. But they're, but they're, but they're interesting they're interesting menus, um, combinations that you wouldn't have, nobody thought of. Uh-huh. Um. What's one of your favorites? Um, gee, the one I had most recently was, was one that, was, she, she describes as Jim Beard's favorite, um, summer menu, or something, and it consisted of, of grilled kielbasa sausage uh, a potato salad with olive oil, and uh, some tomatoes that had been chopped up with onions and curry powder and probably some yogurt was in there.
Uh-huh. Wow, sounds too good. Uh, and that, and that was, you know, that's, that, that's certain you can do in thirty minutes. Yeah. But there are a whole lot of, you know, I mean, I, I would recommend you look at that book if you're a busy person. Yeah, that THIRTY MINUTE COOKBOOK. THIRTY MINUTE COOKBOOK. That sounds fun. I find a lot of the cookbooks that, I don't know, that you buy over the counter ask for really strange ingredients, or things I don't keep on hand all the time Uh-huh. and I have young children, and our budget's set, you know, at this time, but I want to use simple recipes that I have things on hand, Uh-huh. I don't have to run to the store to buy or look for something I haven't heard of Yes, yes.
That's why sometimes I shy away from, uh, more of a traditional cookbook Uh-huh. but, well, it was interesting talking to you. It's a fun subject. Food is one of my favorite things too. Yes. Anything else you wanted to add? Well, you had said dinner, you know, you know, what would I put together for a formal dinner. We, we had some friends over as recently as Saturday night Oh, wow. and, and, um, put, here, here the inspiration was a combination of Julia Child for the dessert, you know, a chocolate mousse recipe and a sort of cookbook which has a recipe for a thing called chicken marabella um, which is this wonderful thing you can do, um, Uh-huh, that's good. Uh-huh. basically you're baking, baking chicken in a, in an open pan, um, having marinated it first and, my wife did this part so I don't remember all the details Uh-huh. marinated in olive oil and some seasoning, um, and cooked with some olives and some, and some prunes, uh,
there's a little bit of brown sugar in there, and it bakes up and it's a delicious thing, and it's easy That sounds good. comparatively. Um. I'm sorry, That sounds really good. I just love It sounds like you guys are a little more gourmet than I am, I'm pretty simple right now, but. Well, maybe a little more leisure time to do it. Yes I don't know, that's probably, that's true, I have little ones and we, and they won't eat, you know, too many different foods right now. Yeah. I found my kids were very frustrating when they were little in terms of their tastes. Yes.
Yeah. Well, there again, sometimes it was easy, they'd, you know, canned ravioli was, one of their favorites, and so it was easy to open a can of ravioli. Yeah. Spaghetti's a pretty staple every other week or so Yes. and it goes a long ways too. All righty. Well, nice talking to you Cheryl. Okay. Talk to you later maybe. Bye. Do you have children? Uh, yes. Uh, we have two sons. Uh, one's a freshman in college and one's a sophomore in high school. Oh. And you? I have one that's a freshman in high school, a daughter. And a son who's a sixth grader in a middle school.
Okay. And I spend most of my time carpooling Oh The story of my life Yes Yes. Yeah. My kids are involved in sports. My daughter has played basketball for six years, and my son plays football. I, my rule is that they can't play a sport the same time of the year because there's just not enough of me to drive them around everywhere. Uh, well, uh, yeah. We 've spend a spend a did spend a lot of time, uh, it really helped when the, uh, older one was old enough to get his license and could, uh drive around by himself although that brought in a whole other set of problems. Yes. I know, I know. The insurance. But, uh, I, uh, yeah,
for one thing. Uh, but yeah, we, uh, we do but our two had, had, uh, totally different interests of, but there was not much, uh, overlap as such. The, the older one is not, was not at all into, uh, sports for the most part. Uh, he participated band and, and, uh, scouts were his two big things. Yes. My son, is in both band and scouts too. And, uh and the, yeah, younger one is, uh, uh, the sports one and the, whatever season it is he's, he's playing, although football is really his favorite Oh, gee. Yeah. So, uh, yeah, we spend a lot of time, uh, uh, carpooling and, uh, you know, and then trying to be, uh, up as much as possible with anything that they, that they do. Right. But then, uh, we also didn't do , spend, uh, time with them trying to, trying to, uh, you know, just family time. Uh-huh.
Uh, we had a, at a fairly young age we started teaching them to play games and card games and so forth. And, and, uh, uh, but we didn't, uh, do it as much or as often as, uh, I would have liked to. I would like to do that as a, as a family and, and some T V watching. Yeah. What about you? We found this Oriental tile game called Mah-jongg . Yeah, I've, I've heard of that. Have you? I've never actually, never actually played it. But, Well, it's really fun. Um, one of my neighbors moved here from Memphis and a lot of them played it, and she started a group going in the neighborhood and my kids wanted to learn how to play it and it's more fun with four people. Yeah, yeah.
And it's a game that none of their friends know how to play, and they both enjoy it. So if they want to play, they have to play with mom and dad. Yeah. So, uh, we play that a lot of them, and, uh, we like to go miniature golfing and to movies. Yeah. We have family that lives outside of the state so we go visit both sets of grandparents and, and take car trips. Yeah, so do we. So, that, and my husband and son go camping with scouts mostly. Okay. Yeah. My daughter and, and I hate camping so we go shopping. So that just kind of works out real well. Yeah. And, um, I'm a writer by profession and my daughter enjoys writing too,
so a lot of times, she and I will travel to writers conferences together. Oh, now that's neat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, we've never had anything like that. So that gives us special time together too. Yeah. And she's on the yearbook staff and things like that so I can help her with that and she gives me ideas for my writing too so. Uh-huh. Yep. Uh-huh. Oh, well, good. Well, I, you know, in terms of, in terms of any sorts of trends I, you know, obviously things are different from, for me than, and my children than when I was growing up. Yeah. I, I, I grew up on a farm, uh, in Iowa,
and, uh, you know the whole family was around the, the whole time. And then what my father did was, was, uh, you know, obvious to me and I, I helped out with it. But, uh, although I have brought my boys into to see where I work, it's not that easy, and it's, it's certainly not at all common, and they, they just don't really have that same idea, Right. so they, uh, it's a, it's a whole different, uh, kind of thing there then, uh, My husband has taken us to work with him, and we still don't know what he does. Yeah. So, we just say he travels a lot. So, that kind of covers it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that makes it hard though for in terms of, you know, family time with, with him. Yes. Yeah. Yeah,
I've been lucky in that respect that I don't, uh, don't travel too much . He's been on temporary duties where he's been gone nine months. Oh. Yes. Yeah. So those are the real killers. If he's just gone, Yes. he's gone three weeks right now and that's, that's mild compare to the big ones, Yeah. so we just, you know. I just do the carpooling and, and handle whatever needs to be done. And something major, always needs to be done. Yeah. Yeah. So you just have to, to handle it until he gets home Yeah. Yeah, right. And hopefully he won't have too many surprises when he gets home.
Well, let's see. So what, So what gets you? As far as I'm , Well, the thing I think that annoys me the most is, I have, I have young children, a baby in the house and, and inevitably as soon as they're asleep, someone calls on the phone trying to sell me something. Uh-huh. And I think that, that is probably the most aggravating Uh-huh. Uh, you know, it invades my time. I'm the one that pays for the phone. Uh, if I want to buy something, I'll take the initiative and, and go find it, you know. And that just really does aggravate me. Uh, what do you think? Well, I mean I, that's exactly the kind of thing I would have said. Although in my case it's my wife and I both work, we come home and just as we're preparing dinner or eating dinner the phone rings and it's one solicitation call after another and, you know.
Your time is, is valuable, Yeah, it's, it's like you say, very annoying and, and, uh, why, why do we let this happen. Oh, I, that's, that's interesting. I the, the market seems to just be growing, too. I, I guess enough people are not speaking out. I'm not speaking out, that's for sure. I just get aggravated about it. And, Would, would you, I mean if you could legislate something, what would you legislate? I really don't know. I'm, I'm not into uh, heavy government legislating of a lot of different areas, but I I don't know. I just, I do particularly find it annoying. Uh, I'm really not sure. to be,
Yeah. It, it seems, it seems to me that we should have the ability to designate with the phone company that we don't want to receive calls like that. *sv Well, that, yeah, that might, And the people making these calls would be obliged to compare the, their lists that they're going to call against this list of people who don't want to be called. Identify themselves, yeah. Right. Well, that would be a good an interesting way, Uh, yeah. And, that, that way, those who want it can have it and those who don't want it, don't have to have it. Right. Sort of like an unlisted number where you haven't gone to the trouble of enlisting yourself. Right, you're, Except even unlisted numbers aren't safe now because they have these things just sort of dial through all the numbers. Uh, automatically Oh, is that right? Oh, that's interesting. and, And they just get everybody.
Right. Oh, boy. Well, I, I do wish that it would stop on my end because it, it seems to happen at the worst possible moments. Yeah. And I, I guess the next one is, is door-to-door solicitors. Uh-huh. I don't mind the children when they're selling things for school. I have kids and, you know, that's just kind of part of it Yeah but when it's adults selling a variety of things and especially when men arrive at about ten o'clock in the morning uh, that really, it makes you not feel particularly safe Uh-huh. Yes. and, it's annoying as well. And these, and these people may in fact be just looking to find an unoccupied house to rob. Right, you just, you really don't know, so I, I find myself being a a bit abrupt and a little bit ruder than than I might normally be Uh-huh. but, I do feel like it's a, an invasion of my space.
Yeah. And, uh, I've never quite understood the purpose of that. Yeah, I, uh, Well, I think these people were hired by, from, from different sources. Just Uh, with, you know, and so, therefore, there's no one answer. But, but, yeah sometimes it's a market basically it's a market survey Just a survey. but they never say who, who they're really working for or what you know, what what, what questions are, you know, Yeah. There have been a couple of times when the, the, uh, whatever the subject was, I guess caught my interest and I went along with it and then there have been several times when I just said, well, I just really don't have the time, you know to deal with it at that moment. Yeah Yeah. But, uh, I don't get too many of those. Yeah
I've had just a few. Yeah Uh, generally someone's trying to sell me something or, Right, well, and sometimes that's, this is just the lead in to a sales pitch too. Right, right. Other times it's, you know, wasting your time to collect the data they want for their marketing purpose. Right. For which, if they would just pay me enough money I would be willing to consider. Yeah. That's right. But, but a dollar isn't it, you know, it's, Oh. Uh, and I also sort of worry that, you know, that sometimes people giveaway personal information. Uh, when, when the call comes and, and they, uh, you know, sort of seductive, to, you know, somebody is asking me my opinion on all of these things, and so I start answering
and then you, you know, you go down a path Right. uh, and you don't know where it's going to end. In fact, you don't even know what you've eventually, you know, the totality of what you've revealed *sv This isn't, you know, most likely not to, going to be used against you, Yeah. Well, we, That's true. but it could and, And that seems to be something that should, should really be outlawed. Because it's subject to abuse Yeah, you just never know, I guess. That, yeah, I, I, and it, Asking for information is, is, I can't really see that, I think they ought to, if, if nothing else, they ought to spend money for a postage stamp and, you know, when it arrives at your house, oh, I, Okay, what kind of house do you live in?
Well, uh, we live in a, a brick home in far north Dallas and it's, uh, four bedrooms and three and a half baths and swimming pool in the back and, It's about thirty-five hundred square feet. Uh-huh. Well, it sounds like ours are pretty similar. I live in one, I don't have a swimming pool. And mine's about twenty-seven hundred square foot. Yeah. But the four bedrooms and all the rest of it sounds just about about alike. I think it's pretty much typical for this area. It is. Have you been living there very long? I've been in the house I'm in here right now about twelve and a half years. So you've been there longer. We built this one about, uh, it's been let's see it's been six years six and a half years ago, Uh-huh.
and we subcontracted it out ourselves. We bought the lot and, uh, had an architect draw the plans based on our specifications Oh, really? Uh-huh. and then we subbed it out, so, we've been here a little over six years now. And uh, have really enjoyed it because we built what we wanted to have to live in. Uh-huh. Well, I bet you, Uh-huh. My husband got his big garage. He we have a three car garage, that he has a big work area in Uh-huh. and he likes to rebuild cars and redo engines and, so he has all the work space he needs. Well, that sounds interesting. I bet he's enjoyed having it that way He, because kind of hard to find one prebuilt that 's kind of fits those specifications. It is,
and that's why we decided to build. We looked at things that were already, uh, built Uh-huh. and the garages were always, if the house was large, it seemed like the garages were small even if they were three car garages which is what we have. Well, then, most of them don't have a three car garage. Uh-huh. They're kind of rare. So we put a three car garage in. Uh-huh. But, even if they had three car garages, they didn't have a work space. All of it was taken up with just car space. Uh-huh. And so he has a big landing area that's between where the cars are in the garage and where the house starts that he can work on. Uh-huh. Well that, my, we've just got a two car garage, but my husband's got a big space in between the, where the cars are and the house, where he has a big work shop, you know, workbench and everything. Well, sounds like our husbands have similar interests. Now, mine does not work on cars, he just piddles on this and that.
Oh, I see. But he likes to have a spot to keep all of his, his piddling things. Uh-huh. Well, that's nice that it's not in your house. It really is. Uh-huh. Because, you know, they have a lot of things of their own, and I, you know, I wouldn't mind having, and I at one time was going to fix up when one of my daughters left, a bedroom to where I had a room to just put all of my craft stuff and sewing machine and all that kind of stuff, Uh-huh. but I, someone, I don't know, it ended up I got some furniture back that one of them had moved out or something. Right. So I didn't end up with my vacant room like I had thought I would. Well, we still have a, a son and daughter in college that come home. Uh-huh. And the other room we use as a guest bedroom because my husband's family come. His parents come and also the kids have friends who come and stay
Uh-huh. and so it seems like it's always used as a bedroom. Uh-huh. Well, I still, all three of my daughters are married, but, I don't know, I just still have need for the four bedrooms just having company from time to time. And some of them coming back home and things, you know. Right. Oh, I understand And we've got grandchildren now, so when they come, they have to have a place. Well, we, That's true and you don't want them to not be able to come because there's no room. That's right, you sure don't. At times I keep thinking, though, that might be kind of nice. Well, I I haven't reached that point yet. I've heard people say that. But, uh, my middle son is engaged,
my oldest son has been going with the same girl for a while. Uh-huh. He's out of college and has a good job, Uh-huh. so he could afford to get married but, is not engaged yet, Uh-huh. and my daughter's been going with the same boy for a while, but she's still in college and we're just as happy for her to finish her education first. Uh-huh. That's what she plans to do. Well, I don't blame you for that. So, I hope so. Well, I have the three girls and then we ended up with four grandsons. Oh, ho-ho. And little boys are around the house a whole lot more than girls. A whole new world. Uh-huh. And, uh, I enjoy them coming, but for short doses
I can understand. It feels, after they've been here ten minutes, they have already explored the entire house, they know everything. Uh-huh. But, they're fun. So you're all back to the safety catches and the whole nine yards or either watching them every minute. Well, I just watch them. Yeah. I I never did put things up when my kids were little and I haven't with them. I try to teach them not to get into things. Well, that's the same thing that I did. I hope I'll be able to do the same with grandchildren. I think that once you do that, your children kind of develop the same attitudes. At least my daughters have. They try to teach theirs not to get into things instead of having to put everything up. So it's worked pretty well. There's, I don't really think anything's been broken.
Every now and then we have to kind of go and say, now don't bother this you know. Um, uh-huh But, all in all, they mind pretty well. But, I guess most of the what kind of roof does your house have? Here I'm getting off the subject. Well, we have, All right. I've never done it before, so I guess that's all I have to do, right I guess so. I've been called several times, and I push in, pushed in my number, they kept saying you have the invalid code Oh, really. and then I found out that my new phone wasn't working right. Oh Oh, so this is the first time I've even done it. Yeah. I wonder how long it's going to be on for.
I think five minutes is the max. Oh, no, I mean, this whole thing, like for two months or something, do you know? Oh, I don't know. Yeah, okay, well back to crime, I guess we're supposed to talk about that. They say what aspect are you worried about, well, I think at this point, I for one am worried about every aspect Right, especially, uh, you, since you're in the same metroplex, you know, there's so much going on here. I think the drive by shootings are getting to be so common, that's really a, something you got to protect yourself from. Well, that, and in the schools, too starting to put metal detectors in, Uh-huh, golly I know. and,
Have they done that in Garland? No, I, not that I'm aware of. Now, um, I just heard, you know, last week at that one school, they started putting them in because there was that one shooting Right. so, um, Well, we had a vice principal shot at here last year on the, you know, on the school grounds after school. Is that right? And the one boy killed himself a few years ago, in the, in a grade school, so you know, these kids don't have any trouble getting a hold of guns in any in any neighborhood, doesn't seem like. Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah. So. Yeah, it's kind of scary to think, you send your child to school and you wonder if he's going to get shot. I mean, we didn't have to worry about that before. I know What next?
I know, it's, it's, it's getting, it's been out of hand, I think, for a while, and it just continues to get worse. Right, and, you know, we can't really depend on the police to solve all this, they just can't do it. Yeah. I think it goes all the way back to the break up of the family to a certain extent Right. and, uh, and how we going to bring that back together. Yeah, that's, I I agree, I think that's where it stems from, is that and, um, you know, you've got a lot of, a lot more women that are working nowadays that aren't home with the children Uh-huh. Right and, and that may impact it as well.
I think so, and, and then there's a drop in, uh, the training of morals, really, you know. Right, right. These, some of these young kids you read about, just doesn't bother them to kill someone at all Yeah I think I think years past maybe our criminals had a little more morals, you know wouldn't kill somebody in cold blood. they don't think twice about it. Yeah. Either that or I don't know if it happened and it wasn't as highly publicized as it is now, or what the, what the, I think it was just rare, I really do. Uh-huh. My mother, well, she's like seventy-four now. She, when she was a young girl, she had a beautiful, beautiful cousin that lived in California, and she was dating this millionaire's son and he wanted to marry her, and she wouldn't marry him and so he drove out in the country one day and shot them both, and, uh,
You're kidding. No, I'm the one, Himself and her? Yeah, that must have been at least fifty years ago or more, but the point of the story is that, that was so unbelievable a thing in those days that it was in all the papers, all over the country for weeks Oh, wow, I bet. but now, you know, you wouldn't probably read about it here in Texas Oh, I know, it's just, you know, another killing. Well, they were, I was watching some show the other day, and they were talking about, uh, mass murderers Uh-huh. and they brought up what happened in Killeen here recently, and they were saying, you know, that these guys want attention, and that when it happens they're glorified because all the newspaper, it's on all the newspapers and T V and everything, Um. Uh-huh.
Uh-huh. Right, lots of their picture and life story and everything. Right, and then you get to their life story, Oh, they came from a broken family Uh-huh. oh this person had mental problems Right. oh duh, duh, duh you know, Right. I know, how we and straighten up all these twisted people before they do something terrible, Yeah. So, uh, that story I just told you about my mother's beautiful cousin, well, the same thing happened here in Arlington, when was it, I think it was, oh, it was almost a year ago in December to a girl that my daughter had graduated from high school with. Is that right? Yeah, I think it was on a Hard Copy, she was a real attractive blond girl, in, in her freshman year of college Uh-huh. and some boy she tried to get rid of, he was like in his twenties,
Uh, I remember seeing that, Remember that? I saw that on Hard Copy Right, right, that's, uh, Yes. My daughter graduated with her from Arlington High School. Is that right? Yeah, can you believe it, that's just, uh, I'm trying to remember, he, um, had her in the car in front of a Taco or something Taco Bueno, right, uh-huh. and he just shot them himself and her. Uh-huh. Right.
I remember seeing that. Yeah, uh, uh, isn't that weird? Yeah, there's just too many crazy people out there these days. I know, and, uh, the police are not going to do anything until they, they've committed some sort of a crime. You know, he was just begging her on the phone, that's not doing anything. Yeah. And there are times I think, gee, I should give my kids not be a very good conversationalist on fishing. I don't do a lot of it. Well, I do love to fish. Well good, maybe I can learn something. Well, I don't know how much you can learn. I'm not so sure I'm good at it, but I do enjoy doing it. Do you?
Yeah. Well, it is fun, what little I do. Of course, I don't, you know, I think when they refer to different kinds of fishing I told my husband last night when I had called and they had, told me that this was a topic, I said, well, I can tell them how to fish with a minnow or how to fish with a worm He said, I don't think that's the different kinds of fishing they're talking about Well, I hope it is, there's not a whole lot of different kinds. That's about the only kind I know how to do. I don't do a lot of deep sea fishing, I, because I get seasick, but we have a lot of lakes here in this area Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and I do a lot of fishing for, uh, bass. We have a lot of, uh, uh, couple of lakes in our area that are just filled with good sized bass. Uh-huh. And then when I get tired of them outwitting me, I fish for catfish Uh-huh. and we use worms and shiners, which is pretty much like minnows a little bit bigger than minnows,
Uh-huh. and then I also use spinner baits and plastic worms. Uh-huh. It all depends on what I'm fishing for, and the time of day. Well, it sounds like you do quite a bit of it. I do. Uh, there's a lake like maybe two or three miles from here, and it's very convenient on afternoons when I want to just get away and sit and think. Uh-huh. Fishing's a good way to do that, and I have a lot of friends who like to go fishing. Do you have a boat? No, I don't. I have a friend who has a little inflatable raft, and we use that sometimes. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I wish I had a boat, but I don't.
I think the lakes are probably different in Michigan than they are in Texas. The ones around here are so big, that you can fish off the dock Uh-huh. but unless you have a boat you can't really get into the, where they call the good fishing holes, you know. Right. That's the same way here, isn't it? Is it? You have to get back in the sticks in the, Uh-huh. My in-laws live on a lake, uh, a little bit east of Dallas, kind of in the Piney Woods, and the lake is beautiful, and I like to go out and stand at the end of the dock and fish, but actually catching fish to eat per se, you don't really do much of that right there. I catch a lot of little old, uh, I think they call them perch Right. and then the, the, uh, turtles try to eat up all my bait Oh. So it's, it's so close to the dock that I think all I do is feed them a little bit We don't have, We don't have a big problem with turtles, but it's kind of fun.
but we do have a awful lot of snakes in our lakes. Um I would be afraid of that. And I, Well, I can't think of a time that I've been fishing that I haven't run into one or two of them. Do they ever get on your hook? No, we, uh, occasionally I'll catch an eel on a, on a hook, but never the snakes. Uh-huh. They just kind of, Are they poisonous snakes? Uh, we have a lot of cotton mouth, so yes they are, definitely Uh-huh. and they live in little shallow, little coves that I like to fish in, so I seem them swimming by every once in a while. Yeah, I think I'd be a little bit afraid of those. Yeah, they can, they're, they're certainly ugly.
Uh-huh. We, uh, saw a large snake right off the dock there at my in-laws' place last year. It was probably four inches in diameter or something like that you know. Great big snake, and it, of course, it scared the women to death, you know, but the men come out and said oh, well, that's only a, a king snake, it won't really hurt you, you know. But it looked so bad Yeah. and it was so big, that it might not would have hurt us, but we sure felt like it was hurting us, just being there, you know Definitely. But they're scary looking. Do you have bass? Yes, uh, I think that, uh, probably around here people fish for bass and crappie and catfish more than anything else. Right. Well, that's pretty much the same way here. Uh-huh. I, Now, they have a lot of bass tournaments.
Well, we have those. I don't Uh-huh. I inevitably, if I enter one of those, I never catch a thing. Oh, no. I just go out there and sit and watch other people do it. Uh-huh. Well that's kind of, we've never entered a tournament or anything. We're not that big into fishing, but I see a lot of people, you know, early in the morning there'll be all the boats going out, and they'll say, Well, there's a big bass tournament this weekend, and all those people are here for the tournament, you know. Oh, yes. So I think there's a lot of people that have, you know, really, I guess that you'd call it really sport fishing, they're really into it to try to win. Yeah, oh, definitely. My.
Certainly here they are. But it is, it's very, a very relaxing sport to be able to just be out on the water and looking around. The peace and calmness is really relaxing. Yeah, it's a good thing to take a nice book and sit back and read and fish. Uh-huh. That's what I do a lot. I've never tried taking a book with me. I'll have to try that one of these days. Hi, this is Donna Donahue. Hi, Donna. Hi. Ready to get started? Uh, yeah, I think so. Okay. Sort of an interesting topic since I just got back from lunch here Okay. Well, what did you have for lunch?
Oh, it was, uh, it was, I'm an officer in the Air Force, Yeah. Oh. Oh. Well, that's interesting. Okay. So our topic is, is food today, is that, Yeah. Okay. If you're having a dinner party, what, what would you serve? Okay, uh, do you want me to go first? Sure. Okay. If I was having a dinner party I would probably, um, have some, um, some, uh, um, some fruit to start with with some apples sliced up and maybe some cheddar cheese and crackers and grapes and, um, probably serve maybe some wine and beer and maybe have some, uh, uh, salsa and chips around and peanuts. And then I would have, um, let's see. I usually have like a little theme when I have a dinner party Um, I would have maybe, um, say if it was like Greek night or something *sd um, maybe, um, on the barbecue we'd put, uh, cubes of lamb or I guess lamb used for Greek. And, um, like a shish kabob, and, um, mushrooms and tomatoes and onions Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
and then we'd have, um, like a big Greek tossed salad kind of like a Caesar salad. Uh-huh. And, um, let's see what else. Um, maybe some rolls and, um, I guess some, uh, some rice or something like that. How does that sound? Jeez, well, well, when is the party here? Yeah. Um, yeah, that would take some planning but, I don't know being a, being the bachelor here that I am, I, I don't think I'd, I'd be I mean it, it's not a question of capability here to do something like that. It's just there's, there's no motivation. That's right. You know, I want to, I want to throw some charcoal on the grill and, and throw a steak on there and some baked potatoes and stuff like that but, um, Well, that sounds good too. I have, um, I have three kids
Uh-huh. so, um, when we have friends over I have my oldest kind of baby-sit for the little two younger ones upstairs and, um, usually we just have very plain kind of, you know, interesting, not very interesting meals. Pizza and that all Uh-huh. so once in a while when we do something like that it's kind of fun, but it's not a, not a regular thing. Now are we supposed to talk for about five minutes, Yeah. Yeah. it? Yeah, that's what they, they are shooting for here. Okay. Um, let's see now okay, so you would have a barbecue Well, I live on a, I live on a lake here, Uh-huh. and, uh, so it, and then during the summertime it's real nice to be able to entertain outdoors, Oh, sure.
like that's a little more a casual thing. But in mine the wintertime it's not bad too because then I've got a, a fireplace and a nice, nice house and all that so we, really good place to do entertaining like that. Uh-huh. Oh, that sounds wonderful. I just haven't, uh, really tried a whole lot but, uh I don't know, Uh-huh. let's see. I have had, well, one time I did have a dinner party. I served a, uh, uh, I had a gang of people over and kind of made a fried chicken thing and biscuits, and kind of southern, uh, southern food even though I'm up here in New York, Uh-huh. so Oh, you are in New York right now? Yeah. Oh. I'm, I'm in Texas. I didn't know this was all, from all over the whole country. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, Oh, I see. it is. It's, And I'm originally from Long Island. Oh, no kidding? Yes, and now where are you in New York? Upstate. Oh, upstate. Rome. In, uh, Griffins Air Force Base. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Is that where you, you are originally from around there? Oh, okay. and, uh, been all over the place. Oh, wow. That's interesting. Okay,
let's see. Um, well, I like to have, um, sometimes when I have a dinner party I'll have, um, everybody bring something, Yeah. and that's real interesting because then you get different, um, different kinds of foods and new recipes and, um, uh, sometimes somebody will be bring something that you really like, Right. and get the recipe from them or whatever. And we are just getting interested in, in Mexican food because here in Texas they have lots of, really good Mexican restaurants Uh-huh. and, um, we're, we're just getting into the fajitas and all that stuff that you could, Sure. do you know what a fajita is? Yeah. Yeah, Yeah. I've been down to Texas a few times, and, uh, had, uh, the pleasure of their good Mexican, cuisine down there. Okay. Yes. They have some delicious, delicious things,
and I, um, since I always make chicken burritos and just take chicken breasts Uh-huh. and you boil them, maybe like four chicken breasts, and you boil them until they are cooked. Maybe like thirty minutes Uh-huh. and then you debone them and, and kind of shred them up into the meat that has gotten cooled and you take, um, little bit, maybe two tablespoons of butter and a in a big frying pan. And chop up some onion and put in oregano and salt, Uh, I guess I've always kind of liked golf. I, I worked on a golf course at, at one time and that's how I picked up golf. And, uh, I don't know it's just a, kind of a challenging game. It sure is. I play at least three times a week. Uh-huh. I'm on it, I haven't gotten the chance lately though to play. I'm trying to get back into it. Uh, so, uh, I got to start all over again.
It's not like riding a bicycle. You do tend to, forget. No. Well, I'm one of those rare left-handed golfers. Oh. Yeah. And I do enjoy playing. What is your handicap? Right now it's three. Okay. Uh, I was down at about four or five quite awhile ago. It's probably up there to twenty now if I to start again. Well, if you play with some consistency though, you can get it right back down. Yeah. Yeah. I have got to try and get out there. I, I know with our, our long winters I, I enjoy watching it. I don't know if it's just because I like the game or I just like to, to see the warm weather. Uh, well, we can usually play here year around. Sometimes in January it's not too comfortable to play.
Uh-huh. But there is usually two or three days in the week that you can get out there and play, and I'm pretty much addicted to golf, so. I get out there one way or the other. Yeah, that's the problem out here with the long layovers with the winter you almost have to relearn every spring to, to get back out. It's a good game though. It's very challenging and the reason I like it so much is because I'm essentially playing against myself. Yeah. That's the way I look at it. I, I play in, in a lot of groups and but I, they keep score and, between themselves but I really don't care. Um, I go out and each shot I say, well, this is what I'm going to try to do Uh-huh. and then I see how close I can come to that. Right.
Yeah, you always work on trying to improve each day and, Yeah, and inevitably one facet of my game isn't working at one time or another. Either I'm not driving very well or I'm not hitting long irons very well or I'm not putting well or, but sometimes it all comes together. Yeah. Yeah, I know what you mean. I, when I used to golf out there I'd putt well but I, I wouldn't, uh, chip well. One of the two, uh, or something would go wrong but I always managed to, to get near par anyway. Well, we just had the tour championship here in Pine Hurst. Oh. And I went to that. Craig Statler won in a playoff.
Uh-huh. But we, uh, this is a big golf area. Yeah. We have a lot of, uh, I'd say we probably have within fifteen miles, twenty golf communities built around courses that are pretty well designed and then of course, Pine Hurst and we still have the Greensboro Open here every year. Uh-huh. Do you have, uh, long waits, uh, to get on the course? Yes, we do as a matter of fact. It, it, uh, it's only been that way in the last five years. Yeah. But now you, uh, most of the courses have a, uh, two day advance tee time you have to call, Yeah. Okay. I just moved into this small community so I'm going to try and get into one of the golf courses here. I'm hoping that won't be,
I, was from the, uh, twin cities area. That's some cold golf too, isn't it? Yeah Are you sure you guys aren't having the bad weather? We have cold. Yeah. Usually January and the first two weeks of February. Well, I wish that's all we had. But, uh, last week we were in the seventies. Something is coming through now so it's like in the low forties right now. Oh. But, uh, it's supposed to leave early in the week and then be back in the sixties. We have very windy winters and very cold. Yeah But we don't get any snow anymore. I don't, I don't know what changed that pattern. We used to get four or five inches a year. Now we get nothing. It's been probably five years since we've had any measurable snowfall.
I see. Well, at least it, that doesn't, uh, get in the way of golfing so that No, Get out my orange golf ball and go out. Yeah. Yeah, that's what they do here sometimes. You hear about it where they will take the orange ball out there but, if you got, Okay. So what do you, uh, think is the, uh, the worst culprit for air pollution? Well, I think it's, it's probably a combination of things. Um, factories that, that burn coal as a, an energy source with sulfur and nitrogen contaminants, you know, and you get sulfur oxides and nitrogen oxides. Uh-huh. Uh, those are the ones I think primarily contribute to acid rain, and I think that's, that's probably hurting us a little bit. It's hurting, you know, it's hurting Germany, for example, too, and some other parts of Europe where they, where they have high industry. So we're not the lone ranger here. Yeah.
I, uh, I, it's hard to put the finger on, uh, what's worse, you know, the acid rain situation or the ozone depletion, um, with, uh, your hydrocarbons, uh causing the damage in which, Yeah. Hopefully we're backing off from that a little bit, but I know we haven't cured it yet by a long shot. Well, I notice on one of these, uh, home shopping networks they were selling these, uh, halogen, uh, fire extinguishers Yeah. and the halogen is, uh, an ozone depleter, and it got hydrocarbons in there. It's a very clean, uh, fire extinguisher, but it's, you know, really bad on the environment. Yeah. Huh. Yeah, I guess I missed that one. Uh. Yeah. Automobiles of course are contributing, too, and, you know, how, how we are with our love affair with the auto Yeah.
kind of hard to do anything about that, I guess. I know, uh, in the Twin Cities area, I just moved out of there and was kind of happy I timed it just right, but they had a new policy where in order to get your, uh, your license, uh, your car license, uh, renewed, you had to meet the pollution standards Yeah. and, uh. We have that here, too, but it's part of the inspection sticker, you know, they put a probe in your exhaust pipe and, and the computer reads whatever the ionization is coming out, and so that's, you know, that's the way they're dealing with it here. Yeah. Yeah, uh, yeah I guess that was just mainly in the cities there, and as far as where I live, I don't have to do that, but I have an old car which I doubt would, uh, would, uh, pass the inspection, a seventy-six, Yeah. and, uh, you know, there's no way I would put in a lot of money to, to repair it to meet standards.
Yeah. It'd probably be difficult anyway. Yeah. So, although I do what I can to, to cut down pollution, but, uh. I was just reading an article in, uh, MOTHER EARTH NEWS, MOTHER EARTH NEWS magazine Yeah. and, uh, they've got a new, uh, you know a lot of places are burning wood Yeah. a lot, a lot of people are burning wood, those of us who have, I've got a place in the country, you know Uh-huh. and, uh, they've had catalytic you know, catalytic converters on those, on, uh, I think they're required in California and Oregon and, and Washington, but they've had up those for quite a while, and somebody's come up with a new one that, uh, sort of, it's a, it's a catalytic converter, it's, it's a plate that fits in, you know, into the smoke pipe
Yeah. and, uh, apparently it sort of feeds itself. The more smoke is produced, you know, after you get to like five hundred degrees, the higher it gets the more complete the combustion is. And it sounds real neat. I haven't seen them priced anywhere yet, but that, that sounds like that might help solve that problem even on you know, old, old, uh, older stoves that don't have any kind of E P A requirements on them. Yeah. That might help a little bit, especially in some places. We're really lucky here. We have a prevailing southerly wind that blows just about everything out. Yeah. Now sometimes we get a kind of a, especially in, in, uh, autumn it seem like we get kind of a brown haze sitting on us, but most of the time it's blowing out pretty well. Yeah. Probably blowing up there to you guys Yeah, well, well around here I, we get, uh, well it depends, you know,
either in the, in the winter time it, it blows it your way, and in the summer time we probably get yours. Yeah. It comes back. Yeah. I really think, uh, you know, we're doing some, some important things. Education, raising consciousness awareness, uh, I know school kids, I work for the school district here, and, uh, you know, this is one of the big things with kids. Kids are writing letters to the newspapers about, you know, telling adults to clean up their act Yeah. and, it's uh, you know, I hope we're not too late with it. We're, we're, uh, we're having all kinds of recycling. Yeah, well, it, uh, that's a big thing, too. I know it has nothing to do with air pollution, but I kind of look at the way people treat our, Surprised they get anybody this time of day
but, I've been trying all different times, Uh-huh. but I don't get anybody at five thirty, don't get anybody at nine at night so thought, I'll try , Oh, well, I'm at, work and I just happened to walk back into my office. Oh I've been gone for a little while Oh. Well, I go to school so I'm home certain days, Uh-huh. and, uh, I really haven't been making any phone calls, have you? Got, I don't, I haven't ever made any. I just receive them Oh Have you, have you received many? I haven't here lately. Yeah.
Yeah. It's, it's, uh, well, the first time we were on this it came just about every day. Yeah. I never had to make one. They just always came Yeah. Exactly. People must be tired of it or something. well anyway I guess we're supposed to discuss this, uh, subject, what do you think? Well, I never gave it any thought myself I was hoping you could tell me what you thought. Oh. Well, I don't have any objection to people doing that. I think it might be good for them. Uh-huh. But as a mother of two daughters I might be afraid of where they were sent. Exactly. I'm just concerned about their safety
Uh-huh. because if they do good work in America they'll probably be sent to a ghetto Uh-huh, uh-huh. And if they were sent to a third world country I couldn't help but wait worried, you know. Yeah, yeah. That, that would be my main objection. I don't think, Uh-huh. I don't know I think maybe it's, it should stay on a voluntary basis it will probably never happen but, Yeah. Yeah, I, I think it would be good for, uh, everyone to do something like that but I, I guess I don't feel like it should be something forced upon you. Yeah, well it, it probably won't. Uh-huh.
I don't, I don't even know how we'd pay for it anyway. We can't, uh seem to pay for all the little things we have going now Uh-huh. Uh-huh. That's another consideration Exactly But, uh, I don't know some kids are so spoiled nowadays it might be a real eye opener, you know Really I mean, sometimes my kids are on the other side of town here and they just see some really tiny modest wood frame homes and then they think, they're just kind of shocked at that side of town, you know Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I probably lived in one of those when I was a little girl I have a girlfriend that every time her son starts taking things for granted she threatens to send him to Mexico with her relatives and let him get a taste of that for a while Oh Well that would be an eye opener, wouldn't it?
Wouldn't it though? I mean right next to us is such a pitiful country. Uh-huh, it is. I know. Sometimes I wish we'd help them out instead of going all across the world, and helping some countries I never even heard of. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I know it. It seems to me we are, it would be to our benefit to strengthen that country. Right on our borders. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Uh-huh. But, what do I know, right? I'm just sitting at home and, and, uh, doing laundry today and certainly not up, nobody has called me from Washington Oh, but, uh, anyway, how did you get on this program? I work at T I. Oh, you do work at T I?
Oh, you're in Lewisville. Uh-huh. Oh, yeah. I just went by that place. We were going to a football playoff game a week or so ago which we lost and, uh we went by. That's the first time I'd seen it. It looked really nice. Yeah. A lot of trees there. It looked like a pretty little, a sight. Hang on a minute. Sure. to someone in the No, I don't think so, Yeah, Patty might. I'm back. Oh, sure. But how did you get on it?
Well, my husband works at T I over on Central. Oh. Uh, why we're living in Arlington I'm not so sure but, he works over there and we did it last time. Uh-huh. And, uh, so I'm, just my daughter and I are registered this time. I don't know, they didn't even ask him back Really? That was weird, wasn't it? Huh. But like I said I hardly ever get any calls this time. Uh-huh. I don't get too many. And I can never find anybody. Huh. So, um, The first time I used to get calls from far away too.
Right. Like Maryland, and New Jersey, Uh-huh. and but now it just seems like it's in the Dallas Fort Worth area that I get calls from. Yeah, I've had the same experiences, Uh-huh. all right around here. Uh-huh. Yeah, I don't know, uh, I wonder if they really, I don't know if they could possibly teach a machine to recognize all the different accents. There's just, there's so many with this one town you know. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. even in some families some people talk a little bit different. Oh, yeah. Yeah. My husband is from New Jersey
and one of his sisters does things that really sound funny to me and he doesn't pronounce them at all that way, and that's one family, right? Of course, I think everybody in New Jersey sounds a little bit funny but Oh, I agree. You know, how that goes Oh, shoot. Oh, God. Well, I'm surprised she hasn't told us to cut it off yet. Sometimes she says at night. Or, or or overloads Yeah. so please end your conversation. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Right. Well, do you have any more words of wisdom about the subject? No, I sure don't You don't have any kids you want to send over here?
No, no kids Well, is Oh, shoot. Well, uh, I don't know if mine would want to go live in the ghetto. Well, one of them is real idealistic, she might My sister is, I'd be more suited to that than her she's just bugs, Okay, you ready? Yeah, is that it? That's it. Okay, Uh, well, we, I guess we have to talk about magazines and, uh, what, what, What, what kind do you subscribe to or do you? Well, I subscribe to well, I did subscribe to PEOPLE for a long time.
I do, you know, I enjoy PEOPLE. And now I'm, uh, I, uh, subscribe to, uh, LADIES HOME JOURNAL. I, uh, take a computer magazine. And, uh, also, uh, BETTER HOMES AND GARDENS. Uh-huh. Okay, are you interested in, in computers? And my pet peeve with magazines is all the little cards inside. And the cardboard pages Yeah. Uh-huh, yeah, well, that, that would be one of my peeves. My pet peeves with magazines, the woman's magazines especially, I mean, it's, it's really geared to, all they have, you have too many recipes first of all. I just don't, you know, that's what I don't like about LADIES HOME JOURNAL magazines. Too many recipes, too many, uh, can this marriage with saved nonsense. I, you know, I like to read articles about things that matter.
Well, of course, PEOPLE magazine is not, you know, one of your, uh, your more intellectual magazines, but it's nice, light reading You know, if I want something intellectual, I usually read a book. Well, that's true. I, uh, I like it when they have short stories. Like REDBOOK used to always have a good short story in it. Well, that's true, yeah, they did. And I haven't bought a REDBOOK in a while so I guess Yeah. I, I really very rarely ever pick up a magazine anymore Well, is REDBOOK still in existence? I don't know if they're, if they're around anymore. Yeah I think it is. it's an institution, surely it would have to be. Yeah.
But, Well, I'll tell you, the only reason I bought the, uh, I subscribe to the JOURNAL is because of, which I think it was either, yeah, it was Publisher's Clearinghouse Right They told me, you know, if I didn't subscribe they were going to take me off their, their winning, you know, their list So, Mine, too This was it, my last chance Yeah, my last, right, my last chance to win ten million dollars, so I figured, hey, look For twelve dollars, you know, Well, I, I, I went ahead and sent in my subscription because of that uh, to, uh, ENTERTAINMENT. That's it. Oh, yeah, oh, uh-huh. And I was real disappointed with it. Yeah. I, I don't know,
it just, not enough stories with some substance that you can really get into. Right. It's little short articles more than anything else. Uh-huh. And that's one thing I don't like about PEOPLE. Uh, it 's just, you know, doesn't seem to have enough story to it. Well, I don't know, I just think, uh, you know, it's, It's light reading. If you've only got a short time to read You know, you don't have, well, you don't have to concentrate, you know you know. No, that's true It's entertaining, you know, and, uh, that's, I just, I enjoy it, I, you know, I, uh Well, that ENTERTAINMENT is, is very, wasn't that similar, or isn't it similar to, to the TV GUIDE? Uh, no,
not really. I mean, not the one I take now. It's a, it's a magazine and it goes into all the movies, previewing the movies that are going to be released or behind the scenes. Oh, uh-huh. Oh, I see. And, uh, I'm a real movie buff, so that's why I thought I might be interested in it, but it just hasn't been what I thought it would be. Oh, uh-huh. And, uh, my mother has subscribed to, is the reason I get, uh, the HOME JOURNAL and the, uh, computer book is because mother got a subscription for it and sent it to me. Oh. Otherwise, if, if I really want to take the time to read a magazine and I see one on the grocery shelf, I'll pick it up then. Rather than having them delivered and think, oh, I really need to read this Right, right. Well, I'll tell you, since I've been getting the JOURNAL, like maybe, maybe I'll read two, maybe three, if I read three articles in, in, you know, one of the JOURNALs, I figure, you know, I did really well. Yeah, Because there's just nothing in there that interests me. I don't, you know, I don't, I'm not into, you know, recipes
and Well, I, I do like recipes and crafts. See, now, and I'm not into crafts, so, you know, that, that eliminates, like three quarters of the magazine You know. That's true. Well, I just got the new issue, they have Bette Midler on the cover, so that should be one article that I'll read anyway Do you, uh, So, how is the weather out there? Uh, it's really cold and it's supposedly for this time of the year it's unseasonably cold and they've gotten more snow than they've ever had. Oh, really? You have, breaking records for coldness and all that kind of stuff. How about you guys? Um. Uh, it's just, it's a, it's about same. The usual, I think. Oh. So, nice for skiing and all that kind of stuff
It's good. Yeah, well the weather, let's see, well, the snow here is different from Utah's, because I have lived in Utah for like ten years. Oh, really? What part? And, uh, Provo. I was going to B Y U. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah. And, uh, the snow is like, really cold. I mean, it's, like, really humid so it seems wetter or something like that. It's, It's more humid in Utah than there? Uh-huh. Or there? It's more humid in Iowa than Utah.
Okay. Right. Yeah. Okay. And it seems like when the winds blow, it's really, it goes right through you. It's really different from Utah's weather. I thought Utah was cold, but I think Iowa is a lot colder Yeah, see, that's how it is in Texas, too because when it's cold, it's really cold. So, Yeah, I don't think there is any mountains to stop the wind What's that? I don't think there is any mountains to stop the wind. Right. Yeah. So the humidity is I think what does it Yeah,
I think that's true. Because I, I noticed when I got here, too, because like I'd, when it would snow in Texas uh, I would just, I mean we'd be really cold Uh-huh. and we'd have to get really warm, and here you can almost not even wear a coat outside when it's snowing and you don't you don't feel super cold. Yeah, yeah, that's true. It was weird. Yeah. But, so how long ago did you graduate? Or did you, or, Uh, I graduated in nineteen eighty-seven. Oh, really? Yeah, my husband got his doctorate at B Y U,

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