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so that's, and so he just graduated this past year. Oh. So you just barely moved away? Uh-huh Yeah, Well, we really miss Utah Do you like it out there? We miss the mountains. You do? Yeah. Because it's, like, really flat here Well, not flat, but hilly. But no big mountains or anything. Uh-huh. So you just moved away a year ago? Uh, in August. Wow, really recent. Yeah. But, uh, see, see what else can I say about the weather. Uh, well, today was warmer
It was like forty-five Oh, warm So, what's the temperature up today over there? Oh, man, it's got to be like, it's probably fifty, fifty-five, maybe. Oh, really? Maybe not that warm. Probably about, uh, yeah. It's not, it's not that cold, really. And whenever I remembered the weather reports in Utah, I never really remember them talking too much about wind chill. Yeah. But they talk about wind chill here all the time. Yeah, that's a big deal in Texas, too. They said it could be, like, six degrees out and, like, negative forty-one wind chill. Um. So, that's what we're not used to Yeah, that's true.
That makes a big difference. Huh. So, oh, I, So, did you used to ski when you were out here? What's that? Did you used to ski when you were in Utah? Oh, I've only, I've only skied in Utah once. Oh, really? I only skied once my whole life But, do you do a lot of skiing there? Uh, not tons, but I like to when I get a chance. Uh-huh. I've only been once so far, but had the opportunity a couple times since then. Just saving my money for Christmas things and that. Yeah. So is this your first year in Utah? Uh, no, this is actually my third year. And you're going to school there? Uh-huh.
Oh. Yep. At U of U, or, No, at B Y U. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh. So, but, I'll be here a long time at this rate. What's your major? Uh, it was nursing, but I'm in the process of changing it right now. Uh-huh, oh. Because it's really, really competitive at B Y U. Yeah. You have to have like a three seven to get in so, It's really, That's true.
I'm going to look into some other fields. I'd like, all the science classes and that, I'm just not really enjoying too much so I think I better get into something that I can enjoy the process of going to school Uh-huh. so, Yeah, that's, that's a good idea. Did you graduate in a certain field or, Uh, education. I got a double major. In, Uh, elementary and special ed. Really? Uh-huh. That what my sister did. Oh, really? Yeah, you might know her.
Here name is Lori, Bird. Maybe not I think she graduated around then, too, though, eighty-seven probably, but, she got her Yeah, well, I can't, there are so many girls in all my classes, I can't remember how many people. Yeah, yeah. Because they, since, uh, stopped that program. I mean, where you can where you can get it double pretty easily. Oh, have they? Oh. I mean, it's, it's really, We're set. Okay. What changes do you feel have happened? Oh, I guess the first thing has been the, uh, for the right, for women to vote. I think that has been a major change and also the fact that, uh, there are so many more women in the work force nowadays than there were and that's probably going to increase. You know.
Right. Increases each year, doesn't it? I'm sorry? It increases each year I think. It sure does. Yeah, there is a lot more women in the work place nowadays. Well, and I think women have kind of had, uh, in the past the real subservient role. Role? Right. And, uh, That's changing Well, we do to some degree Right. but, uh, uh, I think it's not as much as it was. Right, yeah, I, I agree. It definitely has changed. I, And especially, I think with women increasingly working, they're going to have to demand more from men.
Uh-huh. Because there is just, impossible to keep up on everything else. Yeah, yeah. Have more of an active role in taking care of children, more of an active role in taking care of the home. Well, you know, they've been talking about and I don't know, uh, what the status is on it, but, you know, women get maternity leave and stuff like that and I know that they've, there has been discussion about men also getting maternity leave to help out, Right. but you know, I haven't really heard much about that recently. Well, you know, there is a lot of companies that won't give women maternity leave for that very reason. Uh-huh. Uh, in fact, I know the school districts down here, you, they don't have maternity leave. Uh you simply have to take, accumulate your sick leave. And take your sick leave. Oh, is that right? Oh. Uh-huh. And I don't know, uh, if bigger company companies do, but when I was employed with the school district, I didn't have maternity leave either
and that was the reason because they thought was showing prejisim to women and not to men but, So, uh, Huh, that's interesting. That's a bummer, though Yeah it is. I mean, You got to take the time off You have to save all of your, uh, vacation time. You do. You have to save all your vacation time and that's usually how it's, uh, happened, Yeah. but, uh, Uh-huh. What do you see, uh, changing in the future? I think that we're probably going to see a lot more companies, uh, run by females. Right, and, and top level. And we'll
I'm sorry? Maybe top level. Right, right, upper management, more women in upper management and probably, uh, we'll see more females in political roles. More governors and, I think, you know, roles like that. That would be kind of nice Well, we've got, in Texas, we have a female governor. That's right, that's right. And we had a female mayor here in Dallas, and she just, her term just ended and, uh, so I think we're probably going to see more of that in the future Yeah I think that's probably good. A little more integration. Uh-huh. And, uh, maybe not so much that we sit on the back burners
and, Right, you know, I mean, and that's fine with me I think, but sometimes, I mean I'm not a women's libber by any means, but I do, Right. there are issues that, you know, as far as, like, equal pay for men and women and that kind of stuff, I totally am for. Right. But, I don't get into the, uh, the real women libber movement, you know. No, I don't either. I don't think they're ever going to prove that men and women are equal Yeah. We just function differently Right, right. And, uh, I'm not capable of lifting what, uh, a man can lift and you know, that type of, that type of thing, Yeah.
but, uh one of the big changes, uh, they're doing in Salt Lake is, uh, Right. and they're probably, I'm sure, in Dallas since you're big places, a lot more women are, uh, working right out of their home with their P C's or with their lap computers or whatever. Yeah, I, I've heard of that. Uh, I haven't really talked to anybody that's, you know, too involved with that. But, I mean, I think that is a, I think that, Like the cottage industry. Is, is that what you're talking about, women working out of their homes? Right. Yeah, uh, I think it's wonderful Right. You only have to check in with the office once or twice a week and, Yeah. Course, they're talking about, uh, that we're going to be able to do our grocery shopping and banking and everything like that, Oh, I
By the phone and all that. so, uh, it would be kind of exciting in some ways to, to see a little bit more of that and some ways, it might be kind of scary. Right. Think anybody could do it, but, Anyway, Right. Yeah, I wouldn't mind just calling up the grocery store and giving them my order and going an hour later and picking it up Right. Right, but then you know, there is the process of selection. Would you have to give them the brand You know, when you shop, you usually compare the prices Right. Right. and, would be nice, though. How big is Provo? Um. That a little town or, or a bigger city? Um, it's not one of the bigger ones. It's probably, um, I compare it to the size of Plano, maybe a little smaller.
Plano, Texas. No *nn Oh. I talked to someone that was only a couple of thousand in her town, I think. Yeah, I forgot the name of the town. I thought maybe it was you Oh, well, anyway, we're supposed to talk about education. I certainly have some ideas since I'm studying it now in college. I'd say, first of all, they need to go back to spending more time on the basic reading, writing, arithmetic in grade school, Uh-huh. because they really teach you about forty percent less than they used to, and it shows up. That's one idea. Do you have any? Um, I don't know, I'm pretty, I think I'm pretty satisfied with, um, I I grew up in Plano Uh-huh. and, and my dad is actually on the school board there, so, I kind of kept up with a lot of things that went on.
Yeah, it's Plano, uh, improved greatly in the last twenty, twenty-five years Yeah. that's for sure. It used to be the pits. And Arlington is excellent now, but I'm just speaking overall across the country. Oh. Yeah. Something is definitely wrong. Uh-huh. And, uh, one thing, they don't spend as much time just teaching reading and writing, so a lot of kids are just being promoted from year to year and they truly can't read Right. so I don't know how they expect them to, uh, pass history when they can't read anything, you know, even read a word problem in math. So, um, that's definitely a problem. Another problem is you're going to keep the smarter people in the system too long paying the wages they do. Right.
But, um, So do you, what do you think is good about the schools? That is good about, well, it depends on where you are. They're all so different. That's another thing about the United States. Yeah. There's no national curriculum, you know, I mean, what they'd be teaching in an Arlington school they may not be teaching in a Plano school Uh-huh. and in the same school district, you may, even in an Arlington seventh grade for instance, you may have an English class you may have half literature for the whole year, whereas in another one they're going to concentrate on grammar and give you a little literature, Grammar. it's up to the teacher, in other words. So that's kind of you know, that's kind of odd to me. Yeah. It depends on, uh, what school you're in and who your teacher is, actually Uh-huh. or is how you end up
Overall, Arlington is good, one of the better ones in the state, so I guess we lucked out when we moved here. Uh-huh. So, yeah, that's the thing is just to look at the school system in the area that you move into before you. Uh-huh. Of course we have a slight problem in that, uh, the number of the illiterate in America is mushrooming at this point, and, uh, you know, where our kids might be in a great school, we're still paying an awful lot of taxes for people who are on welfare and unemployment because they can't read, you know. Uh-huh. So. But do you think that there should be, um, nationwide, um, curriculum? I don't know. I just read about that the other day, and I had never even thought of it. Actually it makes sense to a certain extent, because sometimes, like a third grade teacher will get kids from second grade that didn't even learn what, uh, they should to do the work that she is supposed to teach, you know. and according to her plan, Uh-huh. so I guess if there was a national curriculum we'd at least have a certain amount that all kids would learn. Right.
But, uh. We actually rank forty-ninth in the world as far as just plain literacy goes, you know. Um. That's, that's pretty low that there's forty-eight countries ahead of us that have more more citizens percentage wise that can read and write, Yeah. so, um, unless we want to keep paying, paying for these people that can't make it in society, we're going to have to do something. I don't know. Obviously nobody's smart enough to have figured it out yet, so I probably can't But I do think that we have to cut out some of this folderol stuff and go back in the first five, six grades and just keep going over and over and over until most of those that are capable can at least learn to read and write because they can't even get the menial job without being able to read something nowadays you know. Right. Uh, you can't, you can't even work an answering machine if you're at work and had to get a message or something you know, or fill out an application to work at McDonalds if you can't read. Uh-huh. Yeah *aa So, uh, I think that's, that's a start at least, going back to the basics in the early grades and, um, they say that the average English student nowadays does at least fifty percent less reading and writing than they did twenty years ago, and that's a big jump. I believe that Did you go to school in Plano? I did. Through high school.
Uh-huh, uh, Up, up there, maybe, maybe you guys don't have as, uh, big a problem with air pollution as many, do you? We, we, we have a terrible air pollution problem. Do you really? Our summers are extremely, uh, hazardous Uh-huh. and during, uh, certain wind directions because we get the, uh, Gary, Indiana Chicago pollution Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and we can look out on the lake and just see the brown haze, uh coming up along the lake. That's horrible. Uh-huh. And they do post, uh, uh, warnings for people who have, uh, heart diseases or respiratory problems during that summer season. Uh-huh. In the winter it's not as severe. Right. But, uh, if the wind comes basically from the south it can be really bad. Uh-huh. Uh, the State of Wisconsin, as a matter of fact, uh, started some litigation against Illinois because of the air pollution we were getting.
Uh-huh. Uh, I don't think it's going to go very far, but it, it was, uh, a way of, uh, triggering, uh, awareness. Right, right. So what's the conditions like in Dallas? Well, uh, in Dallas, I, I haven't seen air pollution quite on a, quite on a level that we had in Denver. I grew up in Denver, and, and I've lived there most of my life, and we used to have those, uh, you know, the posted warning days. Uh, however, in Colorado now, they have the emissions control law, which has really cut down, probably only once every couple of years do we ever have pollution so bad that they have to post warnings now, you know, as far as health concerns. Um. Uh, due to that the, the emissions, uh, uh, control on the vehicles, seems that all of our, all of our, uh, smog was caused by vehicles rather than industry. Wisconsin has a, a law in which we need to take our cars in every year when we apply for a new license tag and they are tested for, uh, their pollution control equipment, Uh-huh. and if they don't qualify then they have to take it to a mechanic and have it gone over and then verify that it, it is drivable. Um. So, they've, they've tried to do a lot of that Uh-huh.
and I you know, there seem to be, at least in certain little pockets, and we were talking earlier about Madison Uh-huh. Madison has one of the nicest, uh, bike, uh, road, uh, sharing programs of, of any city in Wisconsin Oh, really. and all Wisconsin has probably the most extensive number of, uh, bike trails for recreational use of any of the states. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And there is a, a real promotion of, of biking Uh-huh. but, um, there are still a lot of people who insist on, on driving their own automobiles uh, to go everywhere. Right. I find that a little irritating, because I don't think it's always so necessary. Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah, it, it becomes, uh, maybe to you and I who have grown up in some in, uh, uh, some more beautiful parts of the country, uh, I think that, that, uh, we become a little more aware, uh, rather quickly of, of what's happening with air pollution and how, uh, how horrible it really is. Um, I, I notice people in, in Dallas seem to say, Well, sure, there's air pollution, but, you know, really, how bad is, how bad could this problem really be.
Send, send them to Wisconsin, and we'll let them try to drink out of some of the lakes and try to fish in some of the lakes that have been suffering from, uh, the, uh, acid rain Oh really Uh-huh. and they'll, they'll, they may wake up, you know, Uh-huh. how'd you like to own a piece of property where your lake is going sour because of acid rain. Right. Right. It's, uh, really a serious issue for those of us up in this, uh, sector up, up here. Do you find that, um, or, or do you hypothesize that, that most of the, uh, smog or, or air pollution comes from vehicles or does it come mostly from industry up there? I think it's mostly vehicles although it does come from some of the industry of, of the Gary area Yeah. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. that causes the acid rain. That I'm a little uncertain of, but I do know that, uh, it is a problem. Uh-huh.
Uh-huh. I had talked with my parents. I, I grew up, uh, I was born in, uh, Muncie, Indiana, and, and grew up a little bit in Terre Haute, and I had asked them before, uh, I went back to visit recently, about a year ago, and I asked them, I said, did you ever realize the air pollution that was, I'm sorry, um That's okay, I didn't hear. hobbies. Okay. Let me see, I don't know if that took or not, I'll do it again. Okay. Okay. What are your hobbies? I hear you have kids, right? You heard her in the background
That's babies. That's your full time, uh, hobby, right? Takes a lot of time, huh. I like, uh, most sports. I like to do that. I kind of like to do a little bit of sewing. Uh-huh. Oh, little bit of embroidery work, once in a while. Uh-huh. What do you like to do? Um, I try to do some painting, although I'm not very good at it Well, I'm sure you probably are. Well, no, not really. You like it, that's the main . Yeah, I, I have, you know, I inherited the genes that make me think I'm creative, but not the ones that give me the ability to be. That's right. So, I always try.
I, I do some sewing, mostly out of necessity. Um, I'm making drapes for my house, just because I'm, Oh, boy, that's hard sewing. Yeah, well, it isn't and it is. It is, you know, actually the sewing isn't the hard part, it's just being able to lay out the material and measure it because you need so much room. Measure it and get it to, Well, if it, it depends on how elaborate you get it. If you get pleats and all kinds of, Yeah, I've been doing that and, That, That's a lot of work. yeah, that, but usually have to do the pleats by hand. So that, at least I can do, you know, watching T V or whatever Oh.
but, Right, right. Yeah, and I've, I've gone and, you know, put the needle through my thumb a few times trying to get it through but, That feels really good. Yeah, so that's not really my favorite thing to do or anything, but I, I need to do it. To do it, right. I have, let's see, I have a dog, and a lot of fish. Keeping fish, I guess is my biggest hobby. Keeping fish . Well, they're probably easier than keeping dogs, though, aren't they. Um, yes and no. It depends on how frequently they die, and how much that bothers you. Oh, no. How much that bothers you, and you probably have to clean out the tank too.
That's, you don't have to do as much as, as I thought. In fact, my problem, I had fish as a kid and they always died immediately, Oh, no. and, what, I'm, what I think now is the reason is I kept the tank too clean Oh, you're kidding because you have, because they need to have a little bit of the, Right, you need to let the bacteria build up, and then it keeps all the chemicals in balance. I see. And I would just take everything out and just like, you know, wash it with scalding hot water Oh, no. and it would kill all the bacteria, and that would screw up all the chemical cycles again And so you'd have to start all over to build that up probably. so.
Right. That's right. So now only, I only clean things to make things look more aesthetically pleasing Right, right. and I don't try and sterilize things Don't go through the whole nine yards and they kind of need a little bit of that. That's right. That's right. So you've had fish for a long time. Well, I've had them, I guess it's been two years now I've had a, a tank here, and then back at home I used to have a small, you know, five gallon tank. But that never worked well. I have fifty-five gallons now. *sd What size do you have now? Oh, that's a good size. It's a lot easier. Have you ever had it, uh, crack or break or leak. No
No, not yet. Fifty-five gallons, you'd hope it would never do that. That's right, I really do. But, you know. Do you have all kinds of different fish or, Yeah, I just have, you know, what they call community fish guppies, and platies and, and basic things. Uh-huh. I don't get into the Real exotic. right, right. The expensive ones. Well, they're probably hardy, harder to take care of and, They are. They're very expensive
and, you know, when you die, it's like, when they die it's more like an investment. Yes, I bet it is. You lost an investment so, Do you have problems with them, uh, the fish eating each other? No, not really. Only if there's baby fish. Right. You always have to isolate those. Then you have to, how do you isolate them? You get a A jar or something or. well, no, they have breeders. Okay. It's a little plastic things that sort of floats
Okay. and you put the mother fish in there and then it's got like a trough underneath her Okay. so as the babies come out they fall down in the trough and there's a hole in the middle so they fall into the bottom part of the chamber so the mother can't get to them either. Oh. And that's, you know, it kind of works, but it's also got slots in it so the water can circulate Right. it'll fit out the slots. It'll go through the slot. That's right, so. But, you know, it works, I guess. That works all right then. They don't, uh, want the mothers to be with the little fish either. Oh, they'll eat them. They will. Yeah.
Isn't that odd. Yes. You wouldn't think that. It, and it's funny because the one I have, every single month without fail she has babies. You're kidding. Oh, no. All the time, and, um, I, and she's supposed to, her variety, it says they won't eat the babies, and I've seen her do it. So. And that just makes you sick almost, doesn't it? Oh, it's well, it makes you understand that, you know, things are different Things are different in the animal kingdom, huh. We might, right. We might decide what's proper and what isn't, but you know, that's the way it is for them. Yeah. That's kind of the way they do it.
Yeah. That's it. Survival of the fittest or something. Yes, because if the baby is strong enough, it can swim away fast enough and go hide. Right. Go hide from them, well and then, you think, well, how did they do it out in the real world anyway when these fish are in the tropicals or wherever they are kind of trying to keep up with that, So. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. but. If you're like me, you never have enough time for the hobbies. No, not really. I, I try. I also, I play a couple of instruments. Uh, well, uh, the Cowboys are my favorite team. That's pretty easy to say nowadays Lot easier than it was a couple years ago,
but they had a big win today. Uh, did you get to watch it? No, I didn't. I, uh, have been at my computer all day so, Oh. Are you a Cowboy fan? Well, I used to be a real big Cowboy fan and, and, uh, I'm not a Jimmy Johnson fan. Being an Okie I just really don't care much, uh, Right, yeah. it's, it's kind of hard not to be a Cowboy fan, though. Uh-huh. They've always been, you know, my favorite. Right. But, uh, and and I guess I still have a soft spot. Yeah. I just hate that that's the coach that's leading them.
Right. Right. So, now have they, they're in the playoffs, right? Yeah, they made it to the playoffs finally like just, you know, two years ago they were one and fifteen. They won like just one game and so pretty fast turnaround. But this year they made it to playoffs and today was the first game and they beat the Chicago Bears so everybody's really going crazy, you know, down here. I'll bet they are. They're going crazy, so, so they turned it around, but, you know, they have a lot of young exciting players now, uh, I mean, everybody was real upset, you know, when they fired Tom Landry, but, you know, now it's like, you know, they're doing good so everybody's forgotten about that. Uh, football fans are probably the most fickle people in the world.
Uh-huh. Hit a bad season and it's, you know, the coach's fault, let's, let's dump him. Right. First good season, the coach can do no wrong. Right, exactly. You know. But they Dallas has always been good ahead, you know, heading good players and both running, running backs and, and defense. Uh-huh. Right, yeah, uh, you know, they have a young team. It's, you know, a lot different than the teams they used to have where it's the same old, you know, players every year and, you know, same coach, same everything, so, now it's, you know, like a taste of something different. They're all not, you know, mister nice guys like they used to be. Now it's like, you know, tough and dirty team so everybody is really excited. And, Who is the competition going to be?
Well, it's supposed to be the Redskins, but you know, we beat them already. We beat them this year in, in Washington so, you know, so everybody has the feeling like we can go all the way to the Super Bowl, but, you know, it's just that we have to play every game away, you know, it's going to be tough, but, but the competition is, are teams that they've already beat this year, so, I mean, Atlanta, they're in it, too, and we beat them and, uh, see, Detroit, we play them next week, but, you know, we should beat them. Everybody feels like we should be able to beat them so, it's, so everything's, uh, looking real good. Course, I think, you know, you can't really go by what happened earlier in the season injuries that heal Uh-huh. Right. and, you know it can be a or injuries that, uh, have newly happened and it could be almost a totally new team out there than the one we played. Right. Right. Yeah,
well the Cowboys are on a roll. They've won, like, I think six or seven in a row now, so they're supposed to be the hottest team in the, in the league going into the playoffs so, But, but since you have an O U drop out as a quarterback, Right, yeah, Troy Aikman, he got hurt at O U, so he transferred to U C L A. Well, Well, he, he really didn't feel like he'd be able to do a lot of passing at O U. Right. O U has always been known for their running game. Uh-huh. More than, They're playing tonight in fact. Right. I'm watching them on T V right now. But they're doing some stomping on Virginia. Oh, I tell you,
they've, they've not had much of a team this year, bless their little hearts Really? Well, they're doing good tonight. Are they? Yeah I haven't been watching. they're winning. They're winning forty-one to seven. Well, good for us Yeah. Right. Oh. But, yeah, and, uh, that's right, Aikman did go to O U. I forgot about that. Yeah, they then he went out to S, to southern Cal. Is that where he went? Yeah,
uh, U C L A. Yeah. Yeah. So, But, the Cowboys did good today. I mean, I was proud. I thought, I thought they would get beat today because, I mean they're so young, you know, playoffs, You bet. They tell you our topic? Uh, pets. You've got it. Do you have pets? Yes, we do. Uh, my wife and I have a dog that soon be eight years old, and we have a, a cat, which is, uh, I guess about five years old. Oh, my goodness. How about you guys? We have three dogs and two birds at this point.
Three dogs. And two what kind of birds do you have? Parakeets. No, kidding. enjoy them? Oh, have a ball with them. You let them out and let them fly around and everything? Well, no, because my dogs chase them. Okay. So in order to have the birds not stuffed I have to keep them in their cages. You know, this is like a cruelty joke, and I apologize if you're a bird lover, but, uh, we had a parakeet. And, my fault, put up our first electric fan. And never thought about it. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Knocked that parakeet right out of the air. Well, we had that happen once, um, my son had the bird back in his room,
because it's his well, the first one that we had was his bird, and I had a ceiling fan put up, and it, the bird got away from him one afternoon, and I mean that sucker hit that fan and went flying up against the wall, I thought, oh so much for the bird. It killed him? No, he's still alive and kicking. Oh, that's, well, it killed ours, I'll be darned. No, I guess we didn't have it high enough or he didn't get hit in just the right spot, but it threw him up against the wall, you know, and he slid down the wall. Oh, I hate them. *sd Well, speaking of pets, I'll tell you, my, my kids are older now, my, both of them are either in or out of college, but, but we had for years, about five years I guess, had a, my son had a Burmese boa constrictor, and that thing grew to be seven and a half feet in, in length, and finally my wife, wife, bless her heart, got rid of it, because I didn't really like it.
We also had a, one year down in Florida on a vacation, for Father's Day, my kids, years ago, maybe, uh, ten years ago, go, bought me a skunk from a exotic pet shop. It'd be like, it'd been like deactivated as far as smell and everything, Oh, my goodness. and we had that darn pet skunk for about five years, and, and my son left, went to school, we finally sold his boa constrictor, but my son needed some money, and we, we sold it for about two hundred and fifty dollars. You're kidding. So, when the guy came over, he was infatuated by that skunk, so I made him a deal, I said, You take that skunk, and, he said, I'll sell that snake to you for two fifty. I said, otherwise I'm going to give it to this other man. So he took the skunk, too. And the skunk was a good, a decent pet, but, you know, does his little jobbies in the litter box, and is, is. Oh well, that's pretty good.
And it was sort of a neat, but, they just stink too much Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. That was sort of fun, you know, I tell everyone this story because my wife is a real pet lover. I use to visualize my wife, many times my wife would be lying there on the sofa, and this snake honestly would be stretched across the top of her body and with his, with his head right on her neck Oh, you're kidding. Oh. and the skunk would be sitting at her feet, but the cat would be on the back of the sofa, and a dog would be running around crazy Oh, my gosh. I can not I just, I don't, in fact my brother has a, uh, a exotic pet shop out in California, and he keeps threatening to send a snake through the mail, you know, I'm going don't do that, because they won't come in my house.
Oh, gosh. Oh, my son bought this snake, uh, someone gave it to him when he was in junior high school, and it was just a small thing then, but it got to be pretty big, and, you know, you'd feed it, you'd feed it, you put, feed him small mice to big rats and things like that Uh-huh. it's just, uh, too much. That snake used to watch our cat walk around. I always told my wife, I says you know, your friend's going to get our cat one of these days Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. That is wild. Oh, I just can't do those, and the lizards and the all those those things, Oh, me neither. they, they need to stay outside, far away from me. We're down to a simple dog and cat now, and that's the way it should be, and.
Yeah. Haven't had any parakeets for quite a while, birds. Uh, customer of mine has a parrot, and, uh, gosh, sticks in my mind he paid eighteen hundred dollars for a parrot, and that was just mind boggling. Oh, yeah, they are so expensive. Well, my son was just dying for a bird, and I'm really allergic to them, so I try to stay away from them, except I've gotten real attached to this one, Are you? and, and, uh, we went down to Canton one time oh, gosh, two or three years ago now, Uh-huh. and he'd saved up his allowance, you know, and picked him out a bird in a bird cage and, and that stinking bird, when I brought it home tried to take it out of the little box that they give you Yes. clamped onto my finger and would not, I mean, I had to literally shake him off to get him in the cage, and he has tried to bite me for two years,
and all of a sudden this bird and I have become wonderful friends. Oh, gosh. He gives me kisses, he talks now That's neat. and it's just hysterical. I'm the only one that pays attention to him. Why, sure. And I'm a substitute teacher and one of my fifth graders last year came up to me and said, high-pitched like a child's my mom's making me get rid of the bird, we have too many pets. I thought, yeah, right come tell me about it, you know. Come to my menagerie. They knew the sucker when they saw one. So now we have two parakeets. Yeah. Okay, so you enjoy camping? Oh, yeah. Yeah.
I, uh like you, I haven't done any in quite some time except for what I call living now which is, which is very close to camping Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah Is it? Uh-huh. Yeah. You know, I, uh, camped in the Boy Scouts and, you know, my dad and I went out sometimes but uh, even my first, uh, eight or nine years of working, I camped almost all of the time because I was in construction. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And it is cheaper to pitch a tent and cook your meals out by the fire than it is to rent an apartment add to stress. Yeah. I mean, when you have to have it, you have got to have it. Uh-huh. And, you know, in those those kinds of situations, uh, room rent which is outrageous. Uh-huh. Yeah. So, my buddy and I, we just camped
Uh-huh. And we figured, what the hell, we did it when we were kids and we loved it. Uh-huh. Of course, we didn't really rough it that much. When, when I was in high school, he is a couple years older than me and, uh, he graduated and went off to college and, uh, during the summer we would camp out at the lake. Uh-huh. But it wasn't very much like camping because we had a refrigerator and a stove Oh, well Yeah. You know, I had a little boat house and floated it out on Lake Grapevine. Uh-huh. And, uh, well, it was fantastic. We would get up in the morning, go skiing, uh, that substituted for a shower Uh-huh and then we would go to work and uh, come back to the, uh, you know, boat house at night
and, uh, in the afternoon, you know, it is still four o'clock. You have got four hours of day light, good skiing left. Uh-huh. And, uh, it was great. Yeah. But, uh, you know, now all my life is more like camping than not camping really. Uh-huh. Do you have electricity out there. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You've got a phone obviously Well, actually as a matter of fact, they just ran the phone three years ago. Uh-huh. We didn't have a phone. Uh-huh. They didn't have phone lines. You just couldn't get phones. Yeah. And, uh, we are on the, we are third from the end on the electric string. Uh-huh.
So, we are at the end of the mail route Yeah. Like I said, we are probably as far as you can get from the Seven Eleven and still be in Texas. Yeah, I guess so, huh. But, uh, you know, right now, uh, what we did, my wife and I, is we got a mobile home. One of these twelve by forty-eight's that got repoed, And, uh, swapped them a Cadillac for it and put it out here on the land figuring I would build a house some day, you know. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I'm in construction and, uh, you know I just had this place you know to shower up while I was you know out here, you know, putting up fence and building a driveway and drilling a well and all that stuff you have to do before you can even put a house in you know. Uh-huh. And, uh, I came home from work one Friday afternoon and our truck was back. Everything we had was in boxes and my wife said, uh, we're moving. Uh. And I said where. And she said out to the trailer. And I said, oh.
She said yep and I said okay Uh. So, we have been roughing it out here for about three years, but it is not bad. I, we have color T V, microwave you know Yeah. it is not horrible, but it's, it's a lot like camping. Uh-huh. Yeah, well I grew up in California, in in central California right in the valley. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So it is a forty-five minute drive to the mountains and, uh, so my dad loved fishing and camping. So we would go up. First, we went up just to, uh, with a Toyota pick up truck and laid out our sleeping bags under the stars and you know cooked our, uh, hot dogs by the fire or whatever. Sure. But then later my mom and dad got a camper
so, uh we have kind of moved up. Became civilized. Yeah. A little bit in the world. Yeah, my mom goes camping you know. She takes her, uh, motor home. You know, she's got one of these huge Winnebago's with a refrigerator and air-conditioning, color T V, microwave oven you know Yeah. She just, roughing it for me is going to the Holiday Inn and getting a shower. You know. Yeah. But, you know, she has a lot of fun. Uh-huh. And mostly, it is just a way to, she, she goes to dog shows. Uh-huh. See, she shows dogs and, uh, you can sneak a dog into a motel Uh-huh.
but you can't sneak ten dogs into a motel. No So, she, uh, you know, takes the motor home And she made a deal with my dad that she would take all the dogs with her when she went dog showing. Uh-huh. And she, if he would buy her a motor home So he did But as far as camping, my wife and I have plans to, uh, not really camp per se, but to drive up the, uh, you know, Highway One there in California uh, as soon as we get this house finished. Uh-huh. Yeah. Oh that's, uh, That will be pretty. I am going to need a vacation That's really pretty out there. There are a lot of nice places, Well, what kind of vacations do you like to take? . Well, we've, uh, we've been fortunate enough to take a couple of trips over to Europe so So, I, I guess those are the types I like Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
We've really enjoyed them. Yeah. Where have you gone there? We've gone to, um, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Ireland and England. Uh-huh. We've been to Germany twice. Uh-huh. But, um, I guess my favorite is probably Switzerland and Ireland. Uh-huh. Yeah well, I've been over there too. Uh-huh. Where have you been? I even. Let's see, um, mostly Germany and France. Uh-huh. I lived in France for a year and a half so I was able, Oh, how neat.
but, I, once when I had a chance in France to go on vacation instead of travelling around France I went to Germany Uh-huh. because, uh, I've got relatives there and I just like it there. Oh, that's neat. Uh-huh. So, but, um, Austria, I found really pretty and Switzerland, Uh-huh. yeah, and I, I lived in the Alps in France so I anything in the mountains over there I just love. Oh, how neat. Oh, yeah. Then I finally made it to England, too, uh, on my way home, um, I lived in Africa, actually, and on my way home from there. You lived in Africa? Yeah. Oh, my goodness Yeah.
Wow. So, um, and you always have to go out, fly through, or unless you fly from Nairobi, you have to fly through, um, uh, Europe on your way home. Uh-huh. So, I went to England, and I really liked it there too. It's so expensive over there I know, it's true. That's the one thing. It really is. It just, it's, it's, I love to go over there, but it's so darn expensive to go over. Yeah. Yeah, actually now you can get some really good deals flying over, but it's Yeah. once you're there you still have to spend money Unless you know people, you know Oh, I know,
just. Right. Then you can stay with them, and yeah. Uh-huh. That helps a lot. Yeah. But. You know there's a lot of places in the states that we haven't even gone. Uh-huh. You know, I'd like to go to Hawaii some time, and and, uh, we made it, Yeah. we've, we've at least gone to the Grand Canyon and Niagara Falls. So. Uh-huh. Yeah. Feel like we've accomplished a little bit here. I haven't. I've been, I've,
most of my vacationing in the U S has been on the West Coast Uh-huh. or this summer I went to Colorado Uh-huh. and, uh, I'd love to go to the East Coast, during the Fall. The, oh, the it's, oh, I've always wanted to go there. I've seen pictures, and, and it looks gorgeous. Yeah. We, um, we made a trip up the East Coast. It was, uh, in the summer Uh-huh. and it really is pretty. Uh-huh. It's, uh, both coasts are really pretty Yeah. but, um, I love the Carolinas.
It's just gorgeous over there. Uh-huh. I haven't been there, anywhere on the East Coast. Yeah. I think Tennessee has been the furthest east I've been. Uh-huh. Yeah. Well, you'll just have to plan a vacation some time and, and go over there. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, but there's, you know, there's a lot to see here Uh-huh. but I just love going over to Europe because it's so, their way of life is just so different than ours. Yeah. You know, we're so fast paced here, and over there, you know, every time we'd go and, and eat dinner or lunch or whatever we'd always have to ask for the check you know Uh-huh. Yeah. they're so leisurely over there
Yeah. and it's kind of nice to, to have that. Yeah. So the type of vacation you'd like, um, like, would you go over and spend a lot of time in one place, or travel to whole bunch of different places in one week? Well, usually a bunch of different places. Yeah, mainly probably because you want to see everything. Right, see as much as you can while you're there. Yeah. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Yeah. How did you like Africa? Well, I liked it. I was working in Cameroon, Africa Uh-huh. and it's not a, it's not a place for tourists,
I mean, they're not used to having tourists there, so it's, Uh-huh. you're kind of roughing it. But, um, I liked it, I liked it. Uh-huh. The people there are just very, very friendly and. What type of work? Um, I was working with an organization that does Bible translation. Oh, okay. So I was doing linguistic work actually, travelling around, finding out about languages, and uh, what they call survey work. Oh, uh-huh. Uh-huh. Find out where the languages are. Uh-huh. So, I travelled a lot around the country and met a lot of people. Yeah. Um.
That's neat. Yeah, I enjoyed it. So. I've, I've always, um, I've talked to people who have been to Africa, and they, and then of course when that movie OUT OF AFRICA came out Yeah. Um, but I've always thought it would be neat to go on a safari over there. Yeah, my cousin came over while I was there, and she came to Cameroon and then she went over to Nairobi and took a safari around you know, close to Nairobi in Kenya. Uh-huh. Oh how neat. So, she'd always dreamed of doing that too. Yeah, that's great. So. Yeah. So is there any place you would try to talk me into going to
Uh. It sounds like we've been to some of the same places. Yeah, it does. Well, uh, I don't know. I think the budget is really out of hand right now, and especially in this election year, I think that, uh, there ought to be at least some conversation about what we are supposed to do about this. Uh-huh. Yeah, it kind of seems to me that everyone's offering, you know, their token little tax cut program, you know, when it's when it's just such a bad time for it. Right. Right, and, uh, well, as you said, mostly they are token cuts. Uh especially what, for instance, George Bush is offering. Yeah. The ninety-seven cents a week Yeah, ninety-seven cents a week. Now what, that's really not going to do a lot of good, it doesn't seem to me, to your average middle income person, you know.
Uh-huh. Another ninety-seven cents, hell you can buy a coke or something for that. Yeah, I mean, mostly it's, it's not actually a, a, a cut, it's just a cut in the withhold, in the amount withheld, you know. Yeah. Um, yeah I don't see this changing my lifestyle a whole lot. That ninety-seven cents really isn't going to do it for me either. Huh-uh. Uh, I, I haven't really heard much of what the other people, other candidates have said that have made a lot of sense to me either, especially the Democratic candidates don't seem to be coming up with much that really sparks my interest as far as yeah, maybe that could do something to affect our budget at this point. Uh-huh. Yeah, I mean, you know, in retrospect, um, was it, was it Mondale or Dukakis that said, you know, I'll, I'll tell you right now I'm going to raise taxes? I believe it was Dukakis It was Dukakis, yeah. but I, I can't.
I have a lot of respect for him Yeah, I mean that's better than George Bush who came out and said, No, I will not and then, you know, ten months later he said, well, sorry, you know, I, I can't follow through on this. Yeah. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. But it seems to me that, uh, that the budget is so out of hand, and especially now that they say, Okay, the cold war is over and we're supposed to be getting a peace dividend of, you know of X number of billion, trillion dollars a year. Uh-huh. Well, I'd really like to know where that money is actually going to go, because, in my opinion, I don't think I'm ever going to see any of this peace, so-called peace dividend. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's, it's. I mean, if they could actually put something together and make, I'm not really in favor of large government social programs, either, because I feel that they waste money, also, Uh-huh. but with this peace dividend, it seems like you could set up some kind of like public works projects like they had in the thirties, or whatever.
Uh-huh. Oh, yeah, I, uh, I, I think that would be a great idea, you know, like the conservation corps, you know where. Right, Exactly It it it would help unemployment greatly. And it. and in that way we could really focus on building the infra structure of the country. Yeah, infra structure is in, is in, I mean, we, we, we have hurt ourselves incredibly last fifty years in the cold war. Yeah, and and there's no way that we can ever really recover from, from the state that we're in right now, unless, at least I feel, unless we focus on the infra structure, and I surely don't hear anybody saying that right now. Uh-huh. Um, yeah, I, I agree totally Um, I mean, this, this, it just seems so, you know, so ridiculous that it was allowed to happen. Um, I, I'm in college right now, and. So am I.
Oh really, where do you go? Uh, I U. Right, I go to Georgia Tech, um. Uh-huh. And, in, what, I had you know, the required political science class a couple of years ago. Uh-huh. And one of the things we discussed was, you know, where our, where the budget how the budget situation just got so out of hand. Right. And essentially what happened was, I think it was like in the, um, tax year of eighty-one, um, Ronald Reagan basically said, you know, I'm going to give this much of a tax cut to the tax payers and, and, created this, this ludicrous budget that he knew, that, that, um, that the Congress would not in their right mind pass Right. and Congress, realizing that they were going to lose a, the Democratic Congress realized that they were going to lose a propaganda war, you know, bye-bye, you know, bye-bye removing the tax cut further cut the taxes and created, you know, that, that, that, you know, created the huge deficit that year which moved us into the trillion dollar deficit. Uh-huh. Right. And you just, .
You, you just have to wonder what they're thinking in Washington. I mean, it's just like they're playing chicken with a loaded gun. Yeah, uh, well, it's, it's more than a loaded, it's a loaded cannon. I mean they've got trillions of dollars to spend every year, Yeah. and they, in my opinion, don't do a very responsible job of spending that money. Uh-huh. *b Uh-huh. Well, yeah, um, what really bothers me is it just seems like if, if anyone were to say, you know, well I'm going to raise taxes and cut the budget and we're , we're going to have to do some unpopular things, I mean, he wouldn't have a chance of getting elected. I mean, it's kind of like Rome and the bread and circuses thing, you know where people just want, want to have, you know, whatever will make them feel good, right now, you know. For, for the moment, and that's what really is getting me about what George Bush's stand on the budget is right now is that he is saying, I am going to give you this ludicrous little tax cut so that you'll be happy come November, and you'll elect me again Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and then I'm going to go on and just forget everything that I said Uh-huh. or you know, it doesn't seem that it's going to make much of a difference. Uh-huh.
It, I mean, I don't know, I I don't, I don't think George Bush will make the American people happy with ninety-seven cents a week. No, no, not at all. I just don't think it was a well thought out incentive. No. , how do you feel about crime in the city? You say you're from Atlanta. Right, I, I, I actually I live in the city Uh-huh. and, uh, I guess it is a concern of mine, uh, you know, for my own safety. Uh-huh. I mean, do you, do you find crime in Atlanta really I live in Atlanta also. Well that's right. Uh, I think it is bad in certain areas, *sv Uh. however I think, the area that I live in it's not, uh, the crime level is not as high as it is in other areas of the, of the city.
Uh-huh. I think it seems that there's certain areas where, uh, the crime is focused uh. Uh-huh. Well what do you think can be done about the crime in the city? Well, I think it's, what's been happening over the last several years it seems they've been beefing up the police patrols, trying to put, put more guys, more cops, higher visibility, and, uh, they've had some impact, but not a tremendous amount, Uh-huh. and probably, um, they need to try to increase community involvement, that sort of thing, I think . I probably agree with that. Yeah. Uh. You know, particularly in some of the housing projects, uh, you know, that's, that tends to be where a lot of that crime is focused Uh-huh. and they've got to do more than just having, having cops there. They've got to kind of change the way people think about it. Yeah, that's probably true. Um, so, um, well do you think Atlanta's as bad as most other cities? Um, well, I've been to, I'd say it's, it's probably in the top, top ten in terms of crime.
Um, it's nowhere near as bad as New York City for example. Uh-huh. Probably not, not as bad as Detroit. Uh-huh. I don't think it's as bad as L A either. No. We, I don't think we have as much of the gang problem as a lot of the other cities have. Yeah, that seems to be true. Um, yeah, if you've ever been to like New York City and you can just, you can just, as you walk through the street on a given evening, you can see crimes being committed. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. It's that obvious. Yeah, I don't know, I came to the conclusion also that, you know, just, if you are walking in a downtown area, you know, where there's a lot of crime, a lot of that's going to just, just keeping your senses about you and, and trying not to look like a victim, you know. Yeah, that's true.
You know, walk you know, walk with, you know, with just walk in a confidently, With a big stick or. and, you know, don't, don't be looking around like you've never been there before and you have no idea where you are. Right. Sure. Right, don't, don't walk down a, an alley or don't get Yeah. just try to keep yourself out of a bad situation Uh-huh. but, yeah, there are times when you can't avoid all that Uh. and, and then you're kind of on your own Yeah. have you, have you ever, have you ever been mugged in Atlanta? Uh, no. The only thing I've ever had, was I've had my wallet lifted
Uh-huh. but that was in a more of a, a setting where there was a number of people around, and I kind of got, I was much younger at the time Uh-huh. and kind of a couple of people, they just took it from me without me knowing really and kind of passed it off, so I didn't know who had it. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I've had that happen, but that's, that's about it. Yeah, I've been pretty lucky about getting mugged. Um. Yeah, Oh, yeah. I think I've only actually seen like one, you know, one actual robbery with a gun Um. and that's been about the only, you know, real violent crime where, you know, potentially violent crime that I've seen in Atlanta. Really, well, I've had my. And that was just a guy running out of a store that he just robbed.
Uh-huh. I've had my car stolen, so maybe that counts. Oh, really. Yeah. Oh, where was, where, where was that? Was that downtown or, Oh no, that was in the northern um, up near Cumberland Mall area. Really. It's actually Cobb County, but it is Atlanta Metropolitan, yeah. and, uh, there's a lot of car thefts in that area. Yeah, I've actually, I've known, known some people that have had their cars stolen. Uh, and, uh, and, you know, about half the time they seem to, the A P D seems to recover them, you know in various states of disrepair Up on blocks. Right.
Yeah My friend had a V W Rabbit, and when he, when he got it back his, um, dashboard was sitting in the front seat Yeah, mine was just, it had been wrecked and some superficial type damage, but they didn't, they didn't strip it Uh-huh. so I got it back. Well, you're probably luckier than. Yeah, than most. Uh-huh. Um, so like does insurance pay for the body damage, or was that all there was, body. Right. It was about three grand to put everything together. They cracked the steering column of course, to steal the car. Yeah, you got to, you crack the steering column and you pull the,
there's a pin in there that you can pull on these G M cars Uh-huh. and you can start it up, basically pretty easily. Uh-huh. So how do you know this much about, um, stealing cars? Well, after I found mine I had to, I had this, So, how you like New Jersey? Uh, it's pretty good, you know. You get, uh, closer to the, uh, coast here, and you do get a good bit of, uh, smog and stuff, especially from all the, uh, fuel cracking towers and chemical plants. Right, I guess, uh, I don't know what part of New Jersey you're in, but I guess it's, uh, fairly industrial? Yeah, it's, when you get further east towards New York City it gets very industrial Right, uh-huh. but I'm, I'm about, uh, thirty miles west of there so you have, uh, actually green trees and such that you don't notice that, that other part of New Jersey exists. Yeah. Yeah
Right. Actually very, you know, you go even a few miles out and you got, uh, farms and everything so you, relatively clear air. Right. But, uh, Well, I don't know about you, but I've always considered automobiles to be, probably the, the prime contributor. I mean there's a lot of contributors, but it seems that automobiles would probably do more than their fair share of that. Oh, definitely. It's Yeah. uh, you know, there are a large number of them on the road. They're all, you know, going, and a lot of them are in relatively poor repair. That's, yeah, that's, that's a big issue is, you know, a lot of states don't have a, uh, inspection law so you get, you get a lot of people out there without E T R, emission control systems on their cars and things like that. Oh, even where you do have the inspections, you know, the inspection is once a year.
Yeah, and it's like, You get the car that's in the accident and muffler falls off or something Sure. and guy keeps driving along for long period of time after that. Right. I guess, from what I hear, though, uh, next year Ford is coming out with their electric cars. They're actually coming out with the first prototypes in California. Yeah, that, and I think also some of the, uh, car companies are coming out with, uh, gas powered fleets so you, Yeah. natural gas powered rather than, uh, gasoline. Right. I hope, I, I'm hoping that comes along quick Uh, I was reading a, an article in TIME the other day about the ozone layer and how fast that's going and I guess it's, it's really disappearing a lot quicker than people realize and I know that's not due to, uh, it's not due to, to gasoline or to, you know, carbon monoxide so much as the C F C but,
It, it is coming from cars, though. Uh, yeah, I think that's a, that's a contributor definitely. I mean, the, uh, car air conditioners is one of the major leaking sources of, uh, the, uh, freon. Which is one of the major fluorocarbons. Right. Right. Yeah, I guess right now what they're, what they're primarily worried about is third world countries because I guess United States and, and Russia have kind of taken the lead in terms of eliminating C F C production, but it, Well, it, it, go ahead. No, it's, it's the type of thing there that, uh, you know, the Third World countries are less industrial and they want to become industrial Uh-huh. so they're on the different part of the cycle of the U S. The U S used, you know, all the air pollution stuff and air polluting technologies to get where it is today. Right. And that's one of the arguments that the Third World countries have been using is, that basically they don't want to have to pay for our mistakes if, if that makes any sense.
Uh, in terms of, Or, or they want the right to make the same mistakes themselves to bootstrap them up to the way, where we got to. Exactly. Exactly. Uh, those of kind of, yeah, those are joining arguments, but, uh, I don't know, that's, that's kind of an interesting situation there. Uh, what they don't realize, those third world countries, what they don't realize is how quickly the ozone is depleting. I guess the latest figures are up to fifty percent at the Poles and it's, it's increasing even as far near the Equator as like Florida and Cuba and those places. Yeah. So it's kind of an interesting situation. It's not not a real good one actually. No. But, Well, you also have the very close related thing of the, uh, rain forest destruction which is the main source of what's clearing out the atmosphere and replacing some of the pollutants. Yeah. Uh-huh, yeah. Yeah,
you don't get that, that source of cleansing anymore. Are, have you been in big cities a long time? Mostly, I've mostly been in the east coast, so that's going between Atlanta, D C area, Okay, so you've got, Yeah, those are actually areas that are hit pretty hard, I would think. Well, not, not as hard as some places out west because you don't get the, uh, major pollution sources as you do out in Denver with the inversion and Los Angeles and rest of California which is just terrible it sounds. Yeah, Denver's definitely yeah, that's one of the worst. Sure. Yeah, Denver's that, that real good that real good, uh, example of sitting in a valley, kind of like Mexico City does, I guess. Uh-huh. Mexico City is historically been one of the worst in the, in the world for that. Yeah. But I've been pretty lucky,
I've lived in cities that really haven't had that much of a problem, although, uh, I'm really kind of based in Orlando, Florida and there, you can tell that it's getting worse. I mean, it, it definitely it's not at a level comparable to Los Angeles or Denver but you can, Yeah, there, it's almost all automobiles because there's not that much in the way of heavy industry, you know, that would be causing it. Exactly. Yeah. And there's not that much in terms of, of public transportation down there. Uh-huh. There is, but it's kind of it's, what's your, uh, Uh. are you into the Cowboys? Oh, God, no Uh, no, I'm not, I haven't been, I grew up in Dallas but I'm still not a Cowboys' man.
I like Philadelphia Eagles. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Well, that that's all right. That's my favorite team, so. Uh, now that Randall's coming back next season, I hope they'll be, do a little bit better. They didn't do too bad last season. Yeah. But, I hope they can do better. How about yourself? Well, I don't know. I kind of go back and forth, uh, depending on who's really hot and who's not. I guess I'm kind of a fair weather fan in a lot of respects. Uh-huh. But, uh, I guess if I have, uh, my druthers, I'd probably go for the Seattle Seahawks. Oh, I kind of like them. Yeah. That's another one of my favorites.
Yeah. They're kind of, They're not, they're not my favorite totally. But I do like them. I like, yeah. Seahawks are good. They, now that Steve Largent is gone, I kind of lose a little bit for them but you know, he, Yeah. To be honest with you, I, I probably watch, uh, college a little bit more than I do pro. Really? Yeah. Huh. I kind of like college actually. Quite a bit. Yeah. That's kind of, that's kind of strange. It's too much running for me in, in college football.
I like I like the pros. Is it? They do, you know, it's more high tech, more, you know, players are apt to act a little bit different when they, when their jobs and their, when it's a job and not just, you know Yeah, yeah. That could be. when you're getting paid millions to do it, you I think they take it to another level. Yeah. But I can see it's more, you know, grunted out, run the ball type. College football is a little bit different but, Yeah. You probably wouldn't like my favorite team in college then. who's that? Notre Dame No. I root for Nebraska quite a bit. Nebraska
Yeah there's a running team. Yeah. That, that, that's boring for me. I, I'll take the passing teams any day. Yeah. But, Well, I can see, I can see definitely how you get into that. I, to be honest with you, I find that too much running gets pretty boring as well and. Yeah. It's just, it's four yards, three yards eight yards, tackle. Right. That's, you know, it gets kind of monotonous. After awhile, I, I prefer forty, a nice forty yard flea flicker every now and then just, just to juice it up a little bit Sure. and but, Well, I think they're starting to realize that. A lot of the, like the big eight teams that used to run so much. I think they're starting to realize that they just can't compete anymore. Yeah.
It's high dollar. You know, it's all, it's all money now. Even college is all can we get on T V Right. so. Yeah. That's, that's, So, uh, what's this World League is coming in? Uh, that's getting ready to start up, right? Right. Yeah. Have you followed that very much or, Uh, not really. I, I don't think anything will ever take over the N F L. I think it's basically, you know, it's, it's an institution. Yeah. It's like if we tried to start something to take over major league baseball. It's just, I just, you know.
Yeah. I mean, it, it, it can be, it can take over part of it. But it's never going to be the next, Right. It can take over a small market share but nothing really, Yeah. it's going to take a little bit. Some people are going to watch it but it's not going to be wide spread super bowl and every Sunday afternoon or anything, you know. Right. It's just, it's never going to reach that, that standard but, Yeah. I think I agree with you. It's, it's kind of interesting to see, uh, to see their claim of, you know, like world football. But, when in reality, it's really Americans playing somewhere else you know Yeah, yeah. It's kind of, it's kind of strange.
Uh, I guess we're the only ones, who take it that far. Everybody else still nuts over soccer but, Yeah. Actually, uh, I kind of like soccer. I've never really played it Yeah? but, uh, I like the idea. It's, it's an interesting game to watch. That and rugby. I've like to watch, rugby every now and then. Yeah or Australian rules football. That's, Yeah, whatever you want to call it there. Yeah. That's some brutal stuff there. That's, that's worse than football as far as violence I think. Golly.
Those guys kill each other out there. Rugby is something else. Yeah, . Yeah, there's an element there's definitely an element of stupidity in there somewhere Yeah. That's just wild. That's why it's a a big college thing. Yeah Rugby is definitely big in college because it's something a bunch of fraternity guys can get together and get a good beer buzz going and do Right, exactly Yeah. So, yeah, I could see the feel for that. But it's, it's pretty, it's fun to play. Yeah. I'll give it that. It is fun to play. If you don't value your *listen--missing a word? very much.
You've played it then? But, you know, I don't think rugby will ever be professional but it, it's, it's, No I doubt it, you know. Not, at least not in this country anyway. No. You can't stay healthy and do that. That's a rough game. Yeah. It is. But, uh, I don't know. I don't know how my Eagles are going to do this year. So you, the, the Seahawks are an up and down kind of team. They really are. Yeah. Yeah. My, my, it's kind of odd. My roommate that I live with here, he's, uh, he's lived in Pennock, Minnesota. *two utts? Do you know where that is? Uh, no
I don't. To tell you the truth, I'm, It, it's a small town. It's about two hours, it's in like central Minnesota. It's a couple of hours, uh, west of Minneapolis. Okay. But, uh, To tell you the truth, I'm not even really from here. You just live there now. Yeah. I'm, I'm up here for a year on an internship. Uh-huh. Well he's, But I, I actually live in Florida. Live in Florida. Yeah. Like the Seahawks Well, you know, I I mean, who, who who the heck is going to root for Tampa Bay, right Hey, I, I I've only been to Philadelphia twice
and I, you know, I, I still like, Really, really. I mean, I guess I could go for Miami but I don't know. Yeah, but. I'm from, I root for Nebraska so I'm, I don't have a real love for Miami anyway. But, I don't know, I, I guess, I get, into pretty much, What do you think? Well, uh, I can't be terribly authoritative on what life was like thirty years ago, uh, because I'm not that old yet. Uh-huh. Um I can be, but go ahead Uh, I know that, uh, I mean obviously you look at, at the technological aspect of, of social change.
I mean you didn't have, uh, you didn't have video games. You didn't have home computers. You didn't have Xerox machines. Right. I mean, uh, you, you try to, you go into a, a business today and, you, you try to imagine the whole thing except running off of carbon paper and it's almost inconceivable now because the Xerox machines and, and everything have become such, you know, such a, a a part of the way we live. Right. We fax everything. And , Yeah. We don't even wait for the mail anymore. Uh-huh. Right. Yeah, uh, a business associate of mine was, was talking about how it used to be where you would send things through the mail and you had to do something, this was concerning the S E C, and so if they had business to do, they had to finish it, you know, three days in advance so they could get it through the mail. Because you can get it there, you know *"Because" as connector; sd in, in a matter of minutes you know, through a fax machine
Right. Uh-huh. Uh-huh Right. and because of that, these quote, unquote convenience type items have made work that much more intense and that much harder. Right. Because you're expected to work on stuff up until the last minute. You're expected to, exactly. And I recently read an article on just this, that said stress today is so much worse It should be less because we have a microwave and our grandmothers had to bake brownies and we can throw them in a microwave for two minutes but the more conveniences we have, the more that's expected of us Uh-huh. and we have no down time. Like we don't stop and wait for things to happen because we don't have to. Yeah. So we keep moving. We don't stop and wait for the things to bake and this to happen and that to happen.
We just hit buttons and keep going to the next thing. So we have no relaxation time in between Uh-huh. so they say that's really a bad thing. That you need to learn a lot of ways to, to deal with that and get your, your time in between things. Uh-huh. So that's good. That's an interesting point. But I just think our, our family lives have changed drastically. And I think that's of course a part of it is technology. I mean our kids, where would they be without Nintendo and, you know, their T V shows and some of that is really bad I think. But, we have all single families. So many single families now. Uh, a lot of working, both parents are working. So there's a whole big effect on our kids and not very many of my daughter's friends really are on their original mother and father. You know, I'm wondering what this is going to do in ten and twenty years.
Well, there's that and there's the fact that, you know, nowadays fewer and fewer couples are deciding to have kids which generally tends to happen. I mean the U S would be actually declining in population slightly if it weren't for the fact that we, have continuation, large scale immigration into the country. You're probably right And I'm an O B nurse and that's never really occurred to me but that's, that's interesting. I never really thought about it that way. Yeah, yeah. I saw that, the numbers on that awhile back and I was like, uh-huh so Yeah, yeah. That's true. When is this good or not good. *listen Well, uh, In terms of the long term effect, effect on, on America, in terms of the culture and everything, I don't know. We don't know that yet Uh, Most of the, of the next generation is going to be in, or, or an, extremely large part of the next generation is going to be, you know, second generation, uh, from immigrant parents. Yeah.
I don't know either. That's true. And they're going to be really struggling and I don't think that America is currently the type of environment where struggling up from the bottom is necessarily considered to be good Right, right. I mean, it's no longer the, the, uh, the accomplishment that it, that it once was and not that many people are really trying I don't think Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of scary. Huh. Well that's true. But, I, it's just very, very different and I guess every ten years it's just been very different. Yeah So. And I don't know what's going to happen. Uh, I know what I'm seeing here at my job is that people are having their children much later in life so that they're establishing careers Yeah, and they've got their homes
and they've got, Okay Randall, uh, uh, do you have any special interest in, uh, space flight? Oh yeah. Ever since I was a young and, uh, used to watch the old, uh, Apollo missions going off in, uh, classroom T V Uh-huh Uh, I suspect a lot of people, uh, uh, got, uh, turned on by watching, watching those go off. Uh-huh. Uh, very exciting. Yeah. The, uh, uh, I've I've always, uh, wanted very much, uh, to, uh, be somehow involved in all that. And, uh, to, uh, meet and, and to see, see it actually happen. Uh-huh. Of course, I've really wanted to actually manage to get into space someday. Uh-huh. But, uh, that seems rather unlikely at this point, unfortunately. What do you do now? Uh, computer programmer Oh. Unfortunately, that can be done from the ground

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