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Yeah. To bad, huh. *spelling: too Yeah. Made the wrong, wrong career choice to get up into space The, uh, uh, I used to think when I was, when I was younger that, uh, by this time we'd have lots more in stuff in space than we do now. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Uh, frustrating at times. Uh-huh. I don't know what you think about all that. Well, uh, I, uh, I'm kind of young. I'm only twenty-two and so, uh, uh, I'm not, you know, there's a lot that's happened in my lifetime as far as, uh, you know, with the space shuttle and all. Although plans to, uh, go to other planets have somewhat been thwarted in comparison to, uh, the sixties. Uh-huh. Uh, although I have a and whatnot, Yeah. Yeah. it would be great if we could find some way to, to, uh, use that to boost the economy. Well, the, uh, uh,
I've always, uh, felt that, uh, uh, one of the long-term solutions that, at least a few of our problems would be to have, uh, some sort of, uh, solar power satellites up. Uh-huh. Uh, because that's a, uh, you know, in singularly renewable resource that doesn't do it, that doesn't require, uh, uh, any particularly nasty environment impact. Exactly. And you can just get as much power as you need up there. Uh-huh. It's just a matter of how big you build it. Uh-huh. Uh, and, of course, the side effects of this is that you have to have, uh, lunar mining bases and space stations and easy transport into space and no things that I think we should be doing. So the side effects of doing that which I think would be good, you know, very, very good for for everyone in the long run is, uh, is it, some of the other things I'd like to see happen would happen also, so I'm, Right. Yeah. It seems like, uh, there's, so you're talking about positive side effects then. Yeah, right. Okay, I understand. Right. Right.
Sure, that makes a lot of sense. The only problem is, of course, that, uh, that requires significant commitment from people to actually decide they want to put things like that up there. Uh-huh. Yeah. And they want to do the research and uh, they're all you know, Yeah. the only commitments that they're interested in making or even talking about are ones for flash value like, uh, the trip to Mars. Which is, would, would produce some useful scientific research and so forth, Right, exactly. but the same money could probably be far better spent on, uh, uh, lunar bases and solar power satellite research and, you know, so forth. Uh-huh. It, it would it would be being done for the, uh, glitz and show factor to get politician votes instead of, instead of for, you know, Uh-huh. we should eventually send someone, people to Mars but not just because it's glitzy to do so. Right. We should do it because, for, for the return we get for it. Uh-huh. And, uh, unfortunately, that's not what I thinks happened *listen
Exactly. Least not, I, I would settle for the for the glitz if the side effects were useful, like the, uh, but, uh Yeah. the downside of that is you, after you do one of those, people say well we did it. Right. Now let's now we're done Now we're done. No need to use this to play around with this space stuff anymore. That's what happened with Apollo. But, uh, I'd give almost anything to get into space *sd Yeah. I think you're right. I would too. I'd, I'd, uh, was it John Denver that that tried to buy his way on to the space shuttle? I guess, I guess by what you said you're, you don't feel your, uh, privacy has been invaded anytime recently? No, not really. Uh, uh, the only thing that annoys me is when, uh, people call and they, uh, you have solicitation calls.
Uh-huh. That's the only thing that bothers me. That's not really invading my privacy Right. Uh, do you feel that yours is invaded? Uh, no I wouldn't call it invading my privacy by any means. Uh, you know, I would, there, there's a lot of times though, uh, you get those calls and, you know, when you're sitting at home wanting to relax or, or whatnot and, you know, next thing you know, uh, someone calls and wants to sell you this or that and it's real hard to, to tell them, you know, that you're not interested. Or you do tell them you're not interested and they still keep asking you, you know, and keep badgering you about it, and that aggravates me. But I don't know that you could call that invading of, invading my privacy because, you know, if we don't want that to happen all we have to do is just call the phone company and say, look, you know, I want my name unlisted or want my, you know, But, but that doesn't work. It doesn't? Uh, no, because they, a lot of times they dial sequentially.
They get your name from, uh, if you enter any type of contest or anything. Uh-huh. Uh, you know, you enter a sweepstake in the local department store for a shopping spree or something, you put your phone number on there, they pass your phone number on to another company. Oh. Uh, or you, uh, or, or like the newspapers, they just dial randomly or and stuff. They even call, the newspapers here even call people who already subscribe And, uh, while I was subscribing to the paper, I got so upset at them that they Uh-huh. you call me one more time, I'm going to stop subscribing And the local, local papers ask them to remove your number from their list and, uh, yeah, you call up their regular, during regular hours their, uh, they have a special department, they'll take your numbers out of their lists. Uh-huh. Uh, but the, uh, Orlando paper, uh, yeah, they, they refused to take it off of the lists and they call every month.
Huh. And when you have more than one phone number, you get a call on each number you have Good grief. Well, let me ask you about this. Here's something that, uh, has been kind of concerning me lately. My fiance received a bill from a, a Lord and Taylor company, Uh, you know, they're a, they're a department store. Uh-huh. She received a bill from them, uh, that she had visited some and, and I think it was there in Florida, maybe it was in Miami. That, uh, she had visited a store there and, uh, they had this bill, uh, that she had bought such and such amount of merchandise, uh, over two hundred dollars worth of merchandise. Uh-huh. Uh, and the date that, that she supposedly made this purchase, she was in Denver with me for Thanksgiving. Uh-huh. Uh, and apparently what had happened is someone used her social security number. Uh-huh. Uh, and, and I've, I've heard recently that, uh, uh, that this is a common occurrence where people are using you know, they use Joe Blow's uh, social security number, uh, and can, uh, potentially ruin someone's credit.
Uh-huh. If you know a person's social security number and their mailing address, and their mother's maiden name uh, you can, basically, become that, uh, person. Huh. Uh, if the purchase was made mail order, they should have a record of where it was shipped to Uh-huh. and since it wasn't shipped to her address, she could prove, you know, that it wasn't her. Uh, if it was some you know, coming into the store and stuff, then she would whoever made the purchase would have had find some kind of, uh, you know, document Yeah. and, uh, the signature, uh, they should be able to provide you a copy with that signature and if they can't provide a signature, you know, they'll have to eat the charge Yeah. Well, But if the has, you know, their social her social security number, I'd be real concerned that they, uh, that she's not, uh, blacklist on, uh, what is it, it's Telecredit or something? Yeah. Uh, because she won't be able to cash checks because most places verify through there. She probably won't be able to open a checking account or anything without a lot of hassle. Yeah. Well, we got it cleared up eventually.
What happened, uh, Have you ever gotten one of those calls that is either generated by a computer or somebody going down a list and their either offering a service or they're introducing some new product in the area and normally when they call, you're either in the shower, or you're in the middle of cooking something and you have to stop everything to run to the phone. Yes, yes. Is, is that one that you're talking about. That was the big one I'm talking about. I work weird hours, and invariably just about the time, I'm going to sleep, the phone tears off the wall. Uh-huh, uh-huh. And you are trying to crawl out of a half unconscious sleep and answer the phone, you either hear, the as soon as you say hello, you hear the click of the recording coming on, Uh-huh. or you hear somebody all ready starting, reading off a list of stuff that they've read probably a thousand times that day already. That's true,
or the ones that are, are generated by a computer. It's just a computer voice that comes on the line. Those are the ones that I really, really hate too. I've even had some of them, the, they're voice activated and you've got to say hello twice before they'll do anything. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Yeah, sometimes I, I get them on my, uh, answering machine at home so, and I hate that when I've got a whole bunch of messages and I go through them and most of them aren't from anybody at all. What I would love to see done to stop all of this, Uh-huh. we've got a thing in this country, you can have your phone number unlisted, Uh-huh. and I think a law should be passed to where any of these people, I think it's great, that you know, freedom of speech in this country and everything,
but if they're going to offer these services, or these recorded message, everything, they ought to be stuck working with the phone book like everybody else instead of using a computer to go through and just go down every sequence of numbers for this certain area code and call them. Uh-huh, yes, see I have an unlisted telephone number, but I still get all of those calls and then some of them are speaking in a foreign language that I don't even understand. So, yeah, I do, I really feel that's, uh, an invasion of my privacy. I agree with you on that particular subject there. Let me see. That's about, that as far as any other everyday occurrences, I put a stop to some of them as far as the door to door, either religious groups, or people peddling products. If I wanted their products, I would have either gone to the store to bought it, or I would have called for their salesman to come out. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Yeah, that's true. Living in an apartment complex though, you know you can't, um, you can't really stop those people from coming around even though they put up signs out front that says no solicitations, uh,
but they still come up to the front door and, uh, you know, walk around. So, usually what I do is I'll call the apartment manager and tell them hey, there's people coming around, you know, and they're trying to sell something or, or they're from a religious organization and I really hate that. I really, really do. I had somebody come to the door about two weeks ago and, uh, gosh it was about nine o'clock at night, too. It wasn't even what I would consider, you know, family hours, time to, you know, start going to bed and uh, and it was somebody from, um, oh what was it, the, uh, Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and uh, I've read a lot about, uh, that particular sect and I don't particularly care for it, so I especially don't like for them to come up to my door and, and try and talk to me. Now, I agree with their right to, uh, pursue their religion of choice, in that, whatever manner they want to, but I think they should also respect the sanctity of the American home, whether it be in a house or in an apartment. I'm on my turf, if I want them there, I'll call for them, otherwise, I don't want to know they exist. Yeah,
yeah, no, I, I agree with you there. If they want to choose that particular religion that's fine with me too, you know, as long as they don't try and pull me in and drag me in. And, and I don't like the way that they do it either, and, and, it's their mission that they do it. They go door to door and they go out into the public and they actually have the, uh, teenagers serving two years like you would say like in an army and two years in going around and doing missionary type work and, uh, I don't know, I just, um, don't particularly care for that at all. And that, that's one thing that I feel really strongly about though, is, uh, you know, people coming up to my door, and especially religious organizations and wanting to uh, you know, to try and get me to join or, you know, become interested in their religion, because I have my own. Now the part about where you said the apartment complex puts up signs that says no soliciting, I've even gone so far as to put that, I've got a storm door on the front of the house and I've put, in, I don't know how much clearer it can be, it's a red sign with silver letters saying no soliciting. I should have, I guess I should make another one that says religious or otherwise, cause I still get,
Yeah, yeah, that's true, yeah. No I don't, uh, I don't have, I didn't go that far but, uh, yeah I probably could do the same thing, uh, you know, I don't have a storm door, but I'm sure I could rig up something. But you know I don't think that that would stop people. I, it's like they see that word and it says go instead of stop. Oh, goodness. and then reverse it, and do, well that would be technically illegal, it would be harassment. Oh gosh. But, I consider an invasion of my privacy, a harassment in itself.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true, that's true, um. Well what else? I believe we've pretty much summed everything up. I know, but I remember you, you talked about something, you started off and said, well let me think, you talked about the telephone calls and people coming and soliciting and selling things at the door. You said something else. I can't remember what it was, and I thought yeah, that, that kind of touched a nerve right there, but we got uh, we got to talking about the, uh, uh, people coming to you at the front door. I'm drawing a blank.
Oh goodness, okay, is our five minutes up? Uh, pretty close to it. Pretty close. Well I've enjoyed talking with you. Well it was nice talking to you too Jim. And take it easy now. Okay, thanks, bye. Good night. Okay, so we've got to talk about music. Okay. Well, no that's really when I grew up, And, um, do you like classic rock, or modern rock, or which kind? No, not a seventies baby. so that's really what I like better, is that kind of music
I mean, Is it disco, or is it like, No, no, no, not that kind of music but, No, more like, uh, rock, um, you know, like Led Zepplin type Oh, okay. So, so they can get like the Doors and Led Zepplin. Right. Yeah, that's cool. Right. And, how about the Rolling Stones? Oh, sure, sure I went to their concert last year when they were here.
Oh, that's when, that's when they took, toured. How about, um, Pink Floyd? Sure, yeah, I like them. Okay. So, so then we got, we got some same things because, Okay, well, I just didn't know that much about music and I wasn't sure what kind of music. No, it's very hard because, see, well, I mean, in the whole spectrum I'd rather listen, you know, I listen to heavy metal or classic rock. What, what kind of heavy metal are we talking about? What, We're talking about what they, what they call hard rock. Okay, like, give me some examples.
Like, for example, let's see, uh, Bad Company, what, Oh, well, Bad Company's not bad, that's not, well, they're like, for example, A C D C. Yeah, A C D C Why, have you heard of them? Yes Okay. And, stuff like that. That's, that's, that's not really hard rock. Well, okay. Okay, I guess I didn't really consider that heavy metal. Okay. I mean, I, I think, when you say heavy metal, I'm, I'm thinking about like Cinderella, you know. Well, Cinderella is, is hard rock, heavy metal. Well, see, I don't really care for Cinderella
But, I like A C D C's okay. But, see, for example, they have, see what, but other bands consider it like really hard rock. It's like brash metal, which all they do is like, they have this guitar and they just bang at the guitar, and the guitar is set like, really low, Yeah. No, I don't really care for that too much, I guess. and, what happens is like, oh, everybody gets like totally into the music and then they start dancing around, Uh-huh. and they just bump into each other, Uh-huh. like, like they hit each other with their shoulders, Uh-huh. and, then, you knock people down, and what you do is, you also try to get up on stage and jump down on top of all these other people. Is that the kind of music that you like? No, I don't like that music.
Oh, okay. But, that's, that's what they do. That's, that's what some people call like really heavy metal. Oh, okay. And, see, the difference, I guess, between hard rock and heavy metal is that the lyrics also. Like really, like heavy metal, is considered, like the words heavy metal and, like, you always thought about, like, suicide. And killing people and stuff like that. Yeah. And, just hard rock has, they, they don't talk about that, they just talk about, like, life in general. Right. Like, Queen's Reich, if you ever heard of them. Oh, sure. Of course. Yeah. you, you're talking Queen, is that what you said? Okay, well, no.
I said Queen's Reich, but, but, oh, but you got to like Queen also. Oh, oh, oh, okay, Right. So because, Well sure, because Queen was real popular when I was growing up. Yeah, especially, uh, oh God, what is it, A Night At The Opera? Don't they have a, no let's see, the one that they have the, the whole opera singing in the background. Oh! Right, Bo, Bo, Bohemian Rhapsody. right, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that, that was great. I heard that the other day on the radio
and I pumped it up. Because, I mean, I just love that song. Yeah, that, that was a real good one. Yeah, but they had, that, that whole record was pretty good. But then, they started going downhill like everybody else. Well, that's true. They came up with some pretty weird stuff after that. Yeah, they're, they're still around, they've got a new C D out, but I, I wouldn't buy it. Because see, what happens is, the old, see I like, I like the old Rolling Stones. I don't like the new stuff. Of the Stones? Yeah. Yeah.
I agree. That's the the older stuff is the best of it. The, the new stuff's kind of more like, today's rock and roll, which I, don't really care for today's rock and roll too much. Yeah. Well, for example, I used to like old Phil Collins. Right. Yes, definitely. I agree. And, and, then what happened was that Phil Collins said, hey I can make money, a lot of money doing this, and then he came out with, uh, see, for example, his, his record like, No Jacket Required. Uh-huh. That was good, but it was on his way of going downhill, because he said, I can make a lot of money just singing alone, and then he came out with the Invisible Touch, with, uh, Genesis and that really, like now, I hate Phil Collins, I can't stand him.
Right. Because, I look at him and I say, you know, you were singing at this time, and with these people, and you were great, and now you're singing all this stuff that, doesn't matter what you, what you sing or what you record, it's still going to be a number one hit. And so, that's, that's what gets me mad. Yeah. But, did, did you go see that new Doors movie? No, not yet. I guess I've been, kind of considering it. Have you seen it yet? Yeah. I saw it when it opened. Was it really good? Yeah. you know, like those guys that criticize movies? Uh-huh. Right. And, they both loved the movie, right?
Uh-huh. They said the music's great, it took me back to the sixties, and stuff like that. Uh-huh. And then, one of them said, well, everything is great, but I'm going to give it thumbs down. And they go, but why? Because it's like, the end is, like, really depressing. And so, Oh. But it, but it's like the movie is so well made, and the music that goes with it just picks you up, see, I was never, I was born in nineteen hundred sixty-nine. Oh, okay. So, I mean, so for me, So, you didn't really grow up with that kind of music then. No, but you learn to. I mean it's just that, like the, the sixties music's got a lot to say.
Right. I, I never found out what a lot of the seventies music had too. You know, I was like, Well no, I've never liked disco. Hey, but I bet you were out there with your bell bottomed pants, Well, that's true That's true. But, I was more in the late well, I like mid to late seventies, like between seventy-five and, and, seventy-nine, was more my era. Yeah, yeah. Did, did you go to college? Well, no. I'm going right now Oh, that's cool. But uh, no I didn't go then.
But see, I graduated high school in seventy-eight, Okay. so, you know, in seventy-eight, you know rock was starting to get really heavy, you know, and real, um, I don't know, Yeah, yeah. disco was pretty much dead by then. Yeah. So, so that's what I mean, disco wasn't really my time. Well, they always say that the seventies was the lowest point in, in progression, ever in history. So, About music? No, about everything. Oh. Okay. So, it's like, nothing happened during the seventies. Everything happened during the sixties, the seventies I don't know what they're called, you know, it's like, like
the, the eighties are called, like the progressive years, or the, or, you know, like the technology years, because of all the computers and stuff. Uh-huh. But the seventies got nothing. I mean, nobody cared to name it That's kind of funny So. You're right. I never thought of that. The disco years, that's what they're calling them, are gone. Yeah, I know. Can you imagine the, like a big picture of John Travolta, ta-da, what is it SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER? Him just standing there. Yeah, right. Yeah, that's a good example to look for in history. Well, from now on we're going to go from the, from nineteen sixty-nine when they took the first step on the moon, to nineteen eighties. Okay, what happened in the middle?
Don't worry, don't worry, you're not, you're not missing anything, you know, so, That's true. Well, except for Vietnam. Yeah, really. And, that's, that's why I guess, everybody, You know with, yeah, it's like they don't want to talk about that, so they just, don't name it. I mean, it was, it was, I guess it was pretty bad times. Yeah. Well, that's very true But, Oh, well, let's see, yeah, okay,
we've been talking for seven minutes, so, Oh, good. I haven't even been keeping track. Okay, all right, so um, I'm going to leave you alone. Uh what, what are you doing? Do you have a family? Uh, yeah. Okay. We're kind of, I was kind of in the middle of supper, but it's not a big deal, Oh, I'm sorry. I just left it. No, it's okay, because see I didn't, see somebody tried to call me last night but I didn't have my number yet,
I just got it today. Oh, okay. And so, you know, it's okay. I, I told them I'd be available during this time, so, anyway. Okay. All right. So then, uh, have fun doing this. It is not, that bad. Okay, thanks. Bye, bye. Great, Bye. All right, um, I think the topic was crime in the city. Right. I do not live in a city. I live in a real small little place. Where is that?
Uh, it's about thirty miles from Sherman. North, south, east, or west? It's north of Sherman. Well, you live almost in Oklahoma Not too far. Yeah . That's kind of ironic, because I don't live too far from Oklahoma either. Huh-uh. You know where Saint Joe is? Uh, I've been through there. I'm about eight miles south of it. Okay. Oh, yeah. I had been through Saint Joe, but, um, just as far as watching the news and reading the papers and all that, it sounds like the crimes in the cities are really getting bad. Well, you know, I've, I've seen those statistics and everything, and you know, what frightens me, is that, you put a half a million people out in the middle of the desert with high tech weaponry, you know, Huh-uh. I mean, the Iraqis didn't have a lot of high-tech weaponry, but they had mortars and machine guns, tanks and all that.
Oh, yeah. Sure. And, they didn't kill as many people in, in forty-five days, and they were intending to kill people, Huh-uh. I mean, that was their job, as they killed in Washington D C. Oh, I know, I know. I know. Um, I think nowadays people just, really just, murder is nothing to them, you know. Well, I formulated a pretty radical theory over the last ten years, I guess. And, I've come to the conclusion, and this is a pretty scary thought to me, even, that if a guy is convicted, or a gal is convicted, of a crime, rather than put them in prison, because prison's proven not to work, just let them go. Say okay, you're convicted Huh-uh. and just let them go Yeah. and if they get convicted again, well, just kill them. Yeah, because, uh, most likely that will happen, won't it, that, you know, Well, I think that the best hope to eliminate crime, as we know it today is to eliminate the criminals from society.
Huh-uh. Huh-uh. If someone is known to have been in prison, they can't get a job. No. You know. Yeah. They can't be accepted into society. You know, if they're not going to be accepted into society, then everybody's going to become sociopathic. Huh-uh. And, you know, who's to put the limit on it? I mean, I was watching a thing last night, up in Washington State. If you get convicted of, uh, sexual offenses, on a regular basis You know, I mean, some of these guys are forty years old and got ten convictions. Huh-uh. And they're still let out on the street after one or two years. Well, in Washington State, if you're a habitual sexual offender, they just don't let you out. Um. So you serve your prison term, and then you go into the mental hospital, and if you're pronounced cured, they'll let you go.
Huh-uh. Well, they may find a cure for it, but there is no known cure now. Um. So you're, you're kind of thinking, in other words, if you get, if you do something the first time, that's not real bad, you know, Hey , people make mistakes. yeah, to go ahead and let them go, but if they do it again and they really need to face the consequences then, uh. Well, yeah, use that or, you know, there's other consequences rather than killing them, you know, you could, always make them the slave of the people they committed the crime against. Oh. Huh-uh. You know. Yeah. At least they might have get some benefit in that, and if the people they committed a crime against, feel, at some later date, that these people have learned their lesson, are, are okay, you know, well, they can free them. Huh-uh.
But, uh, you know, with the technology we have today, you can put a collar on a guy's leg that will knock him down if they leave the property. I mean, it will just in incapacitate them. Huh-uh. And, you can put a collar around a guy's leg that will prohibit them from committing any kind of prohibitive act. Huh-uh. But, you know, putting them in prison, my God, that doesn't work. No, apparently not, because look how many years they've been doing that and look I mean, yeah. Well, you look at places like Turkey. Turkey has the death penalty, for just about everything. Huh-uh. Huh-uh. I mean, if you get convicted of, uh, you know, drug trafficking, they just kill you. You get convicted of, uh, you know, heinous crimes, they just kill you. I mean there's no two ways about it. Huh-uh. And, uh, you look at their society
and the repeat offenders are very few. You know, and you look at our society, almost everyone out on the street that has been in prison, has been in prison three or four times. Three or four times, yeah. I mean, You know, the way to stop that kind of behavior is, is two-fold. That is true, I know. Yeah. One, you need to make it illegal for both parents to work while the kids are under seven. I, I think that's very important. Oh, I'm, I agree very much so on that, I, yeah. And then, if a parent has proved to be unfit, for any reason take the kids away from the parents. Huh-uh. Yeah. Because, you know, we are what we teach. Huh-uh. Because that's what our society becomes. We have, We have just a bunch of people,
comes, yeah. and I've, and I've, I've lived in that, that environment for quite a few years when I was doing construction work. You know, and these guys, they come to work every morning and they're stoned to the bone. I mean, their so high, they could fly up to the top of that building *spelling: they're and they work all day, and they go home and they smoke their dope and drink their booze and shoot their drugs and when they run out of money, they go down to the corner store and pop the guy on the head and take his money, and then they go back to work on Monday. Huh-uh. And, the kids of these people . Sure, they just think that's the normal thing to do, don't they ... They're sociopathic. Yeah. And I worked in a first grade classroom for one full semester Huh-uh. and these kids were more foulmouthed than I've ever been.
I had one kid threaten my life, Threaten my life. In the first grade Told me that daddy's going to whoop me to death. Oh, know You know, and they flipping me the finger and all that Huh-uh. and I just said to this kid, I said, you got two choices kid, you can step into mainstream society or you can die. Huh-uh. Because you will eventually be killed. And, I just, I'm just totally aghast at a what's going on. Oh, I know. I know, um, I work in school. You know, that's something I do and I, it really is I'm like you astonishing what the younger ages know,
and they react to what they see at home. You know. Huh-uh. If they see violence at home, that's what you're going to get from the kids at school. Exactly. You know. It really is, and that's kind of sad. Well, you can see it in the work place, you know. Used to be when you had a personality conflict you just, you worked with it and you got through it. Huh-uh. Now, you know, people get fired, or what's even worse, is they promote them into a position that they can't handle and let them get fired. Yeah. Or, one thing or the other. You look at another kind of society like the Japanese. You put that many people on that small of a space, they've learned to live together. Okay. It's in their culture. Huh-uh. And one of the things that's in their culture that I really think the major corporations should pay attention to, is the fact that, while Japan was becoming a great power, financially, the people that worked for those companies, worked for the same company they worked for at sixty-five, as they did when they were eighteen.
Teen. And the company, took it upon itself to find a position for these people. If they weren't fit for the job they were hired for, they didn't just can them, they made a position for them some where. Huh-uh. You look at Frito Lay. My wife used to work for Frito Lay as a typist. You know, transcribing stuff into the computer. Huh-uh. Well, she could type about one-hundred and five words per minute, but she don't like it. She just doesn't like to do that. I mean, she will. Yeah. But, you know, her preference is to be in an office situation where her job is have ... Um, what kind of hobbies do you have? Um, I do a lot of cross-stitching and painting, when I do have spare time. Really, I like cross-stitch too. Oh, I love it.
I just have a hard time finding any spare time lately. That's my case also. I've got a new born and there's just no time. Uh-huh. Have you been cross-stitching long? Oh, several years. My husband is even interested in it now. He likes to help me design, um, you know, projects that are, a little more customized. Oh, really. Mine, sort of, he looks at the pattern and he says how do you get that from there to the material Not that hard. Oh, it's not. I really enjoy it. Uh-huh. I do a lot of my own patterns also. Yeah. In fact, I did one, BILL THE CAT, you know, from Glenn County that, uh, was a real good one to do. Oh, yeah.
It was tough, but, uh, yeah. Do you have any others, or is this mainly cross-stitching? Um, I do mostly that, um, not very artistic really for like painting and stuff. Oh, uh-huh. Um, Yeah. But, now I don't know. I'm still trying to get all the D M C colors Oh, really Yeah, I've got the kits to put them all in. I don't have them all yet certainly. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. I got to counting the other day and, uh, I think I have, what was it two hundred,
and I got to thinking the money that I've got invested in this is, uh, it, yeah, it can add up quick. Oh, yeah. I just, I just keep an inventory of what I currently have, and then when I start a new project, I go through and see if I, if I, you know, just buy the colors that I need of what I'm low on. Uh-huh. Right. I see. Well, now can I improvise with adding and using another color instead, you know, what comes close. Because a lot of them are similar. Uh-huh. Yeah. A lot of times you can do that. I think, I the pinks, there's like forty-two different shades of pink. Good grief Yeah, there's lots of pinks and greens. Pinks and greens. Yeah.
There's lots of shades of greens. But the colors, I just love all the different colors. Yeah. They had quite a few new ones come out last year, that they added to. But, you don't have much spare time either? Well, not lately I just started a new job and trying to get acclimated there. Oh, yes. And that does take some time. And if we're trying to get acclimated with the, uh, with having a baby, and . Yeah. How old? He's seven months old. Oh, yeah. And just into everything, so there's not a spare moment. Oh, but I wouldn't trade it for the world. I've been trying to do some bibs for him. And, uh, work on his Christmas stocking.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. We missed it last year, so hopefully this year he'll have one. Yeah. Well, last year he was a little bit young for having one. Right. He wouldn't have enjoyed it anyway You would have but, Right. If it tasted good, yeah. All he liked was the lights this year, so. Oh, yeah. Oh, well, that's neat that you like cross-stitching also. Yeah, that's, that's kind of strange that we got the same call. Yeah. It's a call.
Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, that's okay. Okay uh, but, yeah, I've been doing it for probably ten years or so. Oh, wow. No, I just started about, well, five years ago, I think. But it is peaceful, I mean it is relaxing to do, once you find the time to do it. Uh-huh There's also a couple of large projects, baby afghans, and I got one done and I think the other one is going. The child is going to be in high school before I get finished. On that, uh Bear thing . is it one of those afghans that I've seen in the packages with the, with the large squares? Well, yeah
I just, I bought the cloth and the pattern for it. I didn't, um, I didn't buy the, uh, I didn't buy a kit. Oh, uh-huh. Well I've seen the afghans in the stores that are designed for cross-stitching. Uh-huh. It's that cloth. Oh, okay. It's cloth I think. Uh-huh. And it has the borders and everything already. Yeah. Those are pretty. Number one turned out just great, and the lady said she couldn't believe that they know that I had done it in the colors, that they had decorated the nursery and I didn't even know it. Oh, that's a . I gave it to her and she said how did you know those are the colors we used. I said didn't That was a good .
It worked out that way. That's great. Uh, that, uh, now I've got the material to do an afghan that I just never did get around to finishing it. Uh-huh. I like those. Those are pretty. Yeah. Lilly, Lilly , she said, she said it's for your daughter to use. Oh, no. She said, I know she doesn't get to touch it. She hung it on the wall. Yes, my, uh, grandmother, um, made us a couple of quilts for the baby, and I was like, oh, I don't want to mess those up. Yeah Uh, they're just too nice. I mean you don't get many hand made quilts anymore. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
True. Well, I've enjoyed this. Okay. But, uh, well keep up the good, um, keep up the cross-stitching. You too. All right, thanks. Uh-huh, bye bye. Bye bye. I was trying to think about some of my favorite people that I liked in music and they're, none of them are recent, right. Uh-huh. So I like Gordon Lightfoot, do you know who he is? Yeah And the Moody Blues, and I like to listen to piano music a whole lot, and Willie Nelson.
Uh-huh. So you like a, a variety. Yeah. Sort of easy listening because you like country but then, But not all country. I don't like that, when they start, Um. I don't know. I just like Willie Nelson I guess because he's such a character. Oh, uh-huh. Yeah, I, I like some of his songs, though. They're, they're not so, they're not so sad country all the time. They're just kind of sweet sometimes. Yeah. You know, I mean they're not the, the typical country where they're just, you know, my wife left me, my dog left me, you know My truck is broken down. Yeah, my truck's broken down
and my house just burned down, you know. Yeah. But, There, there's a guy, have you ever heard of George Winston, he plays piano. No. I think he's dead now, but he plays wonderfully. Uh-huh. I like that. Are, are you, do you play the piano, is, or you just like it? Very badly. I've got a piano, Yeah. my mother got a piano and, uh, vowed that someone in the family was going to learn, so we all had to take lessons,
and I was the one that did the least poorly, so she gave it to me. And it's sitting here mostly taking up space, but sometimes it makes you feel good to sit down and play it. It is real relaxing. Yeah, it must be fun to be able to play it and, you know, if you can play tunes that people can sing along to it'd be, it'd be kind of fun, I think. Yeah. because I mean, I play the flute and not many things you can play that'll, you know, people will sit there and sing along to and you can't sing along either so, but, uh, I like a lot, uh, I like classical music just because of the, when, I, I don't play, I like jazz music but Oh, so do I. What's that? Forgot about that.
What's that? I said so do I, I forgot about jazz Yeah, I like a lot, like, I like, uh, is it the New Age music, like with, uh, uh, the, I don't know if you've heard Neurotic Collection. Yes, we've got about five of those. I love them. Yeah, I love those, too. They're just so relaxing. Uh-huh. I'd never heard them before until I went in a music store and you know how you put the headphones on and listen to it Yeah. and I just, I heard a piece and it was just so wonderful. Yeah.
And then even my eleven year old boy loves to listen to it. Isn't that nice. I mean it's nice when you have a piece that, that is so, so peaceful, that everybody likes, you know, Yeah. and, uh, it, it, it, it, you know, it has pieces that are uplifting, but, it, it's mostly relaxing and you don't, because it doesn't have words, you know, you don't feel like, there's anything you have to remember, you know, as far as singing a song or something like that or interpreting what they mean or, but, uh, I mean you can just sit, you know those little booklets that come along with it Yeah. and you can just see the things that they're trying to show with music. Yeah. My, my little boy has gotten so into it that he's identified the, the people that have written certain songs, then he buys the pieces that have that person. You know, on it. Yeah. Oh, I see what you're saying. Huh? Yeah.
I mean, I don't even know who did which ones, but he does. I, I can't identify them either. I just like them. I could, I know which ones come next, but I don't even know their names. Most of them I don't know their names of the song, but I, I can identify them. But I like that and I like, uh, course I, I like classical music. Yeah. And, uh, Were you in the band? I was in the band, yeah So was I. and I was in, like, chamber music groups and stuff, so I'm used to pieces and, and I played classical flute, I didn't play, play jazz flute or anything like that,
so. I I can relate to it, I suppose But, uh, and I like, I'm like you I like the older stuff, too, because I like Chicago Yeah. and I like I like, uh, uh, let me think who, uh, you don't know Hebert Laws, but Hebert Laws a flute player, he's a jazz flute player and I like, uh, uh, Chuck Mangione, do you know who Chuck Mangione is? Yeah. Yeah, I like Chuck Mangione Trying to think of all, uh, oh, what's his name, plays the trumpet. Yeah. I like the Moody Blues. Did you like them? Yeah, I like Moody Blues. I, I like mostly the older groups I think.
Oh, but we do have, I like Simply Red, we got Simply Red. I figure all our C Ds that we have what I really like And, uh, I like Breeze, I like the group. I think just because they all sort of sound, they sound a lot like uh, Simply Red. Uh. So what type, Simply Red, I've never heard of that. Is it just instrumental? No, it's, it's got people singing, but it's it is instrumental. But it's, it's got people singing but it's got a, like a whole bunch of people singing. Yeah. You know, how many people are in Simply Red, Stuart to someone else in the he can't hear me. I, I don't remember how many people,
but, it's, it's got men and women and it's not, it's, it's nice, I mean it's pleasant, you know, music. It's not where it's, it hurts your ears to hear it. But it's not as, it's not like, uh, Chicago where it's got that much instrument to it. You know, it doesn't have, like all the brass and everything. Yeah. Yeah. Well my husband is telling me we have to hit the road We're going to go to Commerce and see a friend. And, then I'm going to go to Sulphur Springs. Oh, you must live in this area. Yeah, where are you? We're in Sherman. Okay. So we're in Garland. Oh, okay. You're going to Commerce? Yeah
For East Texas or something? Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. Just because there's a friend up there, not because there's much else Oh, okay. Well they're having a lot of recruiting this week in all the different areas. That's why I was just For colleges? Yeah, East Texas is recruiting for, you know, their fall semester Well, they're not and they're, they've been doing a lot of that in the area. They're not going to recruit me anymore, I'm through. No more for me. No more, huh. What, what do you do? Well, right now I'm just a homemaker,
but I'm going to school, uh, for legal assistant and that's what I know, so, and, uh, just nothing basically Are you going to go to East Texas for that? No, no, it, no I don't go to East Texas. I got a degree from T W U, but I'm really interested in legal, you know, in the legal environment, but I don't want to be a lawyer so I said well, I think I'll go back to school and see about being a legal assistant. That'd probably be pretty interesting. I was summonsed down to the courthouse last week. They had summonsed eight hundred people, about four hundred showed up, and it was for a murder trial. Oh, uh-huh. This guy had supposedly, uh, strangled this woman and stuffed cotton toweling down her throat and up her nose
Anyway, this is happened in nineteen eighty-three. Yeah. And they had us fill out a long questionnaire. We stayed till about one thirty and they're going to call the ones that they're interested in from the questionnaire two to three at a time and the trial won't take place until June. Yeah, that's how it works. And they say it's going to last about two to three weeks. And this guy in front of me said, I can't believe I was summonsed. I was an investigator and I was tailing the woman that was killed. Well, then I have a friend at school that has a boyfriend that's a lawyer and he said that this woman this socialite in Plano had hired four guys to kill her husband and the one that's accused was the one that actually did it. And she has since taken off with another lawyer who had been, uh, getting cocaine from his client and then selling it, and he had skipped bail and they finally extradited him and he's going to testify for the State against her so he'll have his sentence reduced. And this is the man that was in front of you?
Yeah. Oh, well they'll, weed him out. The, the investigator. Yeah, he, he got off right away. Yeah. And I wrote that down on my questionnaire that he'd told me that, Uh-huh. so I figure that that will make me biased and I won't be chosen. Well, not necessarily Hopefully but there's probably something else that might make you. Because you could know about, you could know about the crime, but not necessarily be taken off the jury, you know, not be accepted for the jury. Yeah. No. *aa I mean, pretty much a lot of people would know about it, you know, and, and know some of the different things about it but, uh, they, they might weed you out some other way. You know, if you, if you don't believe, like if this was a capital crime and, and you don't believe in if you don't believe in death penalty, you're not going to be picked at all. So but, I said that, I could believe in it in certain instances, but I would be, I'd find it hard to levy that against somebody.
Yeah, so, see, there, there they would have a doubt about you, that, you know, You know. Uh-huh. because if that's what, if that's what the punishment is in that, in that instance, then you're always going to say, you know, not you're, you're not going to want to have him have that uh, that punishment. So, Yeah. But then when you're, when you're picked, see I was picked for another murder trial before Uh-huh. oh, gosh and it's so hard because, you know, everybody is wanting to go on and get the sentence done, and if you're trying to hold out, you know, there's so much pressure on you and you've got to come up with a decision. Well, especially with something where you have to you have to find it beyond a reasonable doubt. You have to find whether they're guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and it's like, do you really feel that sure about, Okay, well personally, I don't have any children. I'm twenty-two
and I'm doing my Master's at N C State Oh, uh-huh. so, uh, uh, children wouldn't be very convenient for me right now. Well, no, would they, no. So what, what, how do you spend the time with your children? Well both of mine are boys. They're eight and eleven Um. Okay, and did, and they're into sports Yeah. I mean, as a matter of fact, that's what we're doing tonight What, what are you doing? Baseball has started. Oh, okay. Do, do they play like, uh, like does the eight year old play baseball? Oh, oh, yes,
we start here at, uh, five. Okay, and, and in, in his league do they have like a pitcher, or do they have a standing ball or a machine, or what? Up until, it's coach pitch, until you get nine which my little boy will be nine in May. Okay. So he's going to be with, uh, regular pitching Oh, okay. and my eleven year old, of course, you know, is pitching. Yeah. I, I used to play soccer when I was that age up in New York, Uh-huh. so. But yes, we're into baseball, and it seems like soon as that over with we get into basketball. We even have peewee basketball here. So there's always something. Yeah,
and how about, how about like on the weekends. Do you do sports or do you go out? Both. If we're not doing sports we go somewhere. Do you go, how about like for, uh, do you go for long vacations, like a week or something when they have school off? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. In the summer or like in the Easter time, like around now? No, usually in the summer time. And where do you go? Different places every year. We, Have, have you been out of the country? No Oh, okay, well, first, they always say, get to know your country first before you leave, I mean I, I lived in places, like
Uh-huh. when I lived in Washington, uh, Washington, D C, I never went to the Washington Memorial, and then when I went back to visit, I went to the Washington Memorial. You know, I've heard, we have a couple of friends that goes to Washington quite often, and that must be the thing. They really hadn't either. They went to the Memorial, you know, when they go, it's on business Right. it's not really just to getting to sight see. Right. Well, it's, it's a beautiful city. Oh, I bet it is, too. But, the problem is , like first time I went out of here, and they took me to Las Vegas Uh-huh. and that was the most boring place on earth. Oh, now my husband and I, we go different places. But our but when we go with our children we usually kind of stay close. Yeah. Did, uh, did, like, did you go to Disneyland?
Oh, yes, yes, yes. Oh, okay. So, but um, now, I don't know, but um, but let's see, when I was eleven I went also to the Caribbean. Oh. and, uh, then after that, I, my sister lives in Turkey, so when I was like fourteen, fifteen, I went, I went to Turkey. Oh, And this Christmas, I went to Turkey. But basically, it's a, for the past couple of years, I, since my parents are, are, well, I'm from Argentina, and my parents live down there. So, all the traveling I do is alone. Uh-huh.
And, uh, we were never much of, uh, a very, uh, family thing, you know, made, like go skiing in Vermont or something. Uh-huh. That was, uh, that was a lot of fun. Yes. But, what happens is we used to fight a lot, so there's never much of a family family thing. You know, one of those hell family vacations. Oh, yes, but we try, you know, I try, my husband also, we're involved in everything our kids does Yeah. because, uh, my dad died, you know, when I was less than a year old Yeah. so I always just had a mother. So I always thought, when I have kids, you know, I really want to be involved with them. Well, my dad, all he, all he wanted to do was get money for us, so he could buy us material things. Material things, yes,
that is, yes, And, and to me, you know, it's like, now I'm twenty-two, but I still feel, you know, it's like yeah, we never threw a football or something Uh-huh. and the way I was brought up, and he wants me now, he, like he, you know, like he wants to be best friends now Best friends, now. and it's very hard for me because, you know, it's like you grow up to be twenty years old, and it's always the same man Uh-huh. and then suddenly he sees that he's getting old, and he wants to be best friends Yeah. but, uh, you know, it's like, I can only express myself so much, because, you know, um, everything that he taught me, you know, that my family taught me, which is very hard to change that all of a sudden from one year to the next and say, I'm sorry, you know. It's like, you know, I love you
and let's go out and do things together when I don't feel like it, you know Uh-huh. and so, that's that whole thing that he'll say when, like, like I've seen my uncle and his family, you know, does everything together, and you know, his kids are, you know, when his little girl was five years old and everything, they, uh, they would go to the beach, and she could go to sleep at two in the morning you know Oh, uh-huh. Yeah. and, uh, I was brought up the same way, it doesn't matter what age you have, just so long as you can get up to go to class the next morning, you can stay up you know, Uh-huh. but his, what he does is, when he gets home, he separates his work from his house. Yeah, you have to Yeah. I mean, you honestly do. Now I have friends that I love to death, but, and they have children,
but their children does anything, we have to take them, and, you know to do it. Yeah. And that really gets kind of aggravating after a while because you're saying, Well, I work full time too, you know. Yeah, yeah, but, uh, it's just, it's just something that, you know, my theory is, you know, when, when you have kids and all you, you want to do, well, what I'll do is, you know, like, I mean, you might have problems, but it's not your kids' problems you know, Yeah, oh, yeah. and you got to try to be with them as much as you can and to, you know, like, thing is, is, that, you know, like if, if they would ever happen to have a drug problem, suppose, that they could feel comfortable coming to me and saying, I got a problem you know, Problem, uh-huh and, uh and that would make any parent feel good and bad at the same time, you know,
Yeah. first of all you're coming to me and let's see how we can get rid of the problem, you know, and that's uh, that's very, that's very hard to do, because once you're best friends with your parents, then, I think everything go a lot better. Uh-huh, yeah, I agree with you very much so. Now, we waited several years before we started having children because we was still in college, and we knew time wise, or, and money wise, too Yeah. would, it would not have been a good idea to had them then. Yeah, my, my father was raising four oh well, three kids before he had me, so it was, uh, you know, you're trying, to support, uh, four kids, and it's pretty hard you know, Yeah. and I, I told him, listen you could have had a lot of money if you would have only had two kids. Uh-huh,
yeah. He says yeah, but then I wouldn't have you, I go, yeah, but then you would have a lot of money That's right, but you can't take this money with us, though Yeah. that's how I keep looking at it. But, you know, like, four, I mean four children is expensive, especially when you consider like, especially for me, which I'm paying out of state tuition. I'm paying, you know, three thousand, no, what is it, two thousand six hundred dollars for one semester. Oh. And, you know, people say, you know, it's expensive to think it's college, but, if, if everybody would be a little bit responsible, you know, it's like, what does it, what does it cost. It costs five hundred dollars a semester suppose. Now they go to a state college
and they live at home you know, Uh-huh. and well, it costs two hundred dollars for books, but you know, seven hundred dollars a semester, a lot of people can spare that if they planned ahead, you know, like Oh, yeah, if you if you can, yeah. I mean, it's like, if you plan a year ahead, you can probably save up seven hundred dollars you know, one thousand four hundred dollars to send your child to college, you know. Yeah. What are you learning to be? Oh, oh, excuse me? What degree, I mean, what are you wanting to do after you get out of college? Well, I, I'm doing computer science, computer engineering. Oh, that's, my husband's into, uh, computers. Yeah, and, and now I'm looking for a job before they have to send me back home Uh-huh. because since I'm an international student, they want to send me back to Argentina.
Yeah. Well, my dad wants me to go back. So. And you don't want to? No. No, no. No, because if you go back there, then you can never get out. Oh. Like you don't have any money to, to, get out. Oh. So, uh, and, uh, I was thinking, you know, like, Oh my God, you know, I go back there, and then, and I get married there, and now I have kids there, and then I'll never leave the place, you know. Then you'll never leave. Yeah, I know, and that's, that's what happened to my brother.
He came to school up here, and then when he went down there, he was just so bad off, you know from not being able to stay up here that his life just went down the drain. Oh. Uh-huh. So. Well maybe something will open up for you. Yeah, I've been calling a lot of companies. There, some of them are interested. Well, at least for a year and a half I can work, Uh-huh. so. Well, well I've enjoyed talking to you. All right, same here. Okay, bye-bye.
Bye-bye. All right. Well, on this subject, I really hadn't had to deal with putting someone in there yet, but my mother's always been administrator of a nursing home Uh-huh. so I've always been involved, you know, in one. How do you feel about them, I mean, since you've kind of been close to that. Well, I've Well, I can kind of see both sides, you know, I really can. Uh, nursing homes to me, I would personally be the last resort you know, I you know if I had to put someone in there. Uh-huh. Well, I've had a touch of experience. My, um, dad had emphysema and got to the point where mother couldn't take care of him Yeah, if it's a have to thing, yeah, I, yeah. and, uh, she put him in,
but he wasn't there very long before he died Uh-huh. but, um, I guess, um, the one time that I saw him there, you know, as far as the surroundings, that seemed okay. Uh-huh. But, um, we kind of thought that maybe they just wanted to give him some medication to sort of, you know keep him real out of it all the time Yeah. Yeah. and that's always kind of bothered me. Yeah. Uh-huh. that's like everything else, though. I have a sister-in-law who runs a nursing home, but I've never actually been there Uh-huh. and I know that she's the kind of person who wouldn't allow, you know, a lot of the horror things to take place that you hear about. Yeah. Yeah, but, But still I'm sure there are, you know, aspects to it that aren't really desirable. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, I know, I've always, well, my sister's involved in one also, and I really think they really do a wonderful job. But still there's those little things that happens, you know Yeah. there really is, which I think, it's a wonderful place, you know, if it comes to that, you know, if you just can't take care of them any more. Well, sometimes you don't have any other alternative Uh-huh, that's it. family and friends are usually, well family's tied up with their own lives and things, and usually working Uh-huh. Other things. and it's hard to, Yeah, yeah, yeah
but I think when the time comes, I, I hope to have the time to really look around, you know and pick one that I really think my mother would be happy at. Yes. Uh-huh, I think that's important, too, in fact there's a, I do too. Outside's awful deceiving sometimes you know. Yes. There's one close to where my mother is, but in order to get in, you have to be able to, um, walk in on your own, in other words, you can't be in, you know, too bad a shape to start out with. Yeah. Yeah. But then if you deteriorate, um, they have a separate section for those who need care you know, all the time. yeah. Yeah. But it's always, well, and they have a long waiting list, too. So there's always this feeling of, well, golly gee, you know, you've got to be able to walk in the door, so you can't wait until you're too bad off
Off, yeah. but then, you don't want to go do that when you don't have to because like, uh, you have to give up your automobile or whatever. To, no. Uh-huh, and everything you worked so hard for all your life Yeah yeah. and if you're still capable of driving and doing those things, then you feel like, well, gee, I'm, you know, I'm isolating myself here for no reason at the moment. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So it's kind of a, that's a hard one, but it is a very nice nursing home. Now there is some really nice ones. There's also, you know, some private ones, you know Uh-huh. but of course, I would never be able to afford to put my parents in something like that, you know, Yeah, that's the problem
that's way out of my reach. the expense of it all is, and, uh, what I, another thing I hate to see is when someone has a small amount of money, and they go into one of these places and they just eat it all up immediately. Oh, yeah. But those who don't have money can go in and get the same care. You know Uh-huh the very same, yeah. So I don't like that aspect. No, but I, there's, I think there's ways around it, though, that, you know, like, they could put it in one of their children's names or something you know. Yeah. But still, a lot of them doesn't feel comfortable doing that. You know, it's their money. That's right. You know, that's how I feel about it, anyway. Well, yeah, I've talked to my mother about that several times lately, and I, I said, I want you to have control of your own business.
Yes. But, you know, what if. Yeah, my mother's seventy now, so naturally she's retired, but she's still on her own, I mean. Yeah, yeah, my mother's, uh, seventy-five and still has her own home and everything. I think that's wonderful, I really do, just as long as they can, and then on the other hand, I've seen some people go into the nursing home and just so happy you know. Yeah. That's true. They have a lot of people around to do things with. Uh-huh, they're not lonely. Some of those places have wonderful activities and things, you know, lots of stuff going on. Oh, yes,
uh-huh. And they'll take them places Yeah. so. I don't know, it's not all bad No. but I guess once you get ill, then, you know, you really have some problems if you can't get around and do things. Around, yeah. But I really don't know what the other solution would be you know, No. I really don't. But no, when the time comes I'm really, hopefully we'll really look around before I decide on one for my parents Uh-huh. really do, because I have been raised in one, you know, so there's lot of things I know to look for. Yeah. And I don't think they'd want to go where they used to work, either you know
Yeah. I really don't. That might be kind of tough, huh. It really would, yes, yes, and like I said, my sister's still in it, and I really don't think my mother'd want to be there, either. Oh. Well, it's been nice talking to you. Well, you too. And I guess we'd better get back to work, huh. Okay. All right. Bye-bye. Bye. Well, in the in a normal route of way we do things, how about the ladies go first? All righty Um, well, I, uh, have a four year old who will just be entering public school next year, so I'm really just starting to get involved in, uh, in what's out there and how they do things.
Um, as far as the system as a whole, I really don't see a problem with it. I do see a problem with graduating people that, that can't read and are not, you know, productive in society or productive to themselves and, uh, I think that's the main problem at this point. How about yourself? All right. I 'm, live in Plano, Texas and, uh, uh, today we're not even suppose to be in school because the, uh, the way the taxation and all that crap is, there really legally isn't any funding for the school systems in Texas today. Uh-huh. Right. So, uh, I mean, when you, when you take, uh, uh, professionals and put them in situations, they have to make decisions based on money to fund public education, and they can't get their finger out of their ear long enough to, to get that major subject in line, something's wrong. So, I think here in Texas mainly that the, the, they're not serious, they're more serious about what the salary should be for senators than they are for what, how the level of education should be for children. I have a one year old so I'm not, I'm more opinionated about the observations than, than the true facts, but, it's just a shame to me that, that the, our firemen, our policemen, and school teachers are the three least paid utilities, um, that have the biggest impact to our well-being. Uh-huh. That's true. I have, I have a real issue with that.
Um, I think that if from every year when they, when they pull in the, the, the, uh, test that the last three years, you know, ten, eleven, twelve year, uh, graders take, and, and then you see that their education is below the norm throughout of all fifty states. They're not saying that something's wrong with the educational system here in Texas, I have a real concern about that, um, as a matter of fact I'm very content to spend my daughter out of state to college in Virginia, uh, verses having her go down here and not learn anything, Uh-huh. and then, uh, so I'm, my opinion I think there's a big concern hope, hopefully the new, uh, education, secretary of education will do something to fix the problem but, uh, I don't know, they've got to quit worrying about, uh, the, uh, religious, uh, overtones in our textbooks and get on with teaching the product. Yeah, I think they get bogged down in a lot of small issues that people, you know, special interest groups can blow up, and, uh, and not really get down to teaching what's important. Uh-huh. Teaching these kids, you know, how really the basics is what it comes down to. Exactly. I was astonished to find out that, that across the United States in all public schools it is not mandatory for them to take phys ed. Is that right? they don't even, a lot of the school systems don't even, uh, the kids nowadays don't even know what, what the president's fitness education program is all about, Huh. they don't have to do sit-ups and push-ups and all that crap we had to do when we were going to school.
I remember. And, yeah, and, uh, I talked to a thirteen year old last night who 's, uh, goes to, uh, one of the Plano high schools or junior highs, I guess, and she said that she had a choice, she could either have taken tennis, or weight lifting so she choice to take weight lifting, over the regular gym, I mean, give me a break, I mean, the kids sit there and they, and they drink cokes and eat popcorn for, for lunch and, then go out there and lift weights and don't learn anything, And talk, yeah. it's just a real, I have a real problem with the whole system. Huh. They need to put some sternness back into the, into the teachers and let them be able to, uh, get the old whip out and get some discipline. Yeah, then it comes down to what you said before though about them being some of the lowest paid public, you know, public service, employees that there are, Uh-huh. I used to, I used to date a girl who taught English at ninth grade level. and yet they're so important.
Uh-huh. I mean, I was absolutely flabbergasted at what, they what she was paid. True, she was young, you know, but still it's the principle. Right. Of course, if she got her Master's degree it would all be different. But, uh, Well, you know, it's hard though because then you start talking taxes and, that's a bad word Oh, taxes Lord Lord forbid, taxes. Goodness gracious, if we would, uh, plan our expressways a little better, that ten dollars for the bridges and the roads, we'd cut that in half and get some teachers we might have us a problem There's an idea. Maybe I should run for office, huh? Run on that then, no income taxes in Texas, huh? That's true. I'm in Texas too, so, That's funny, that's funny.
Well, that's about all I have here. Well me, too, I, uh, I think we both agree there's some problems there but, we'll, maybe do our small part to fix them up. ma'am. Surely. I've enjoyed it. All right, you too. Bye, bye. Bye. So, do you have any hobbies? Well, right at the present time nothing real special. I kind of like gardening and I'm kind of into camping and, you know, vacationing, that sort of thing. Yeah, uh, I don't have any real serious, I'm an avid gardener, oh, Oh, okay. I think you're ,
Um, I consider that a hobby. I don't know, they were like suggesting, like handcraft things which, Uh-huh. I guess that's a really true, true hobby, but I, I think anything that you enjoy, Yeah. Yeah. um, it doesn't really have to matter, I mean, it could be working on cars could be your hobby really. Really yeah, I kind of enjoy doing that a little bit, too. No, I, I guess if you make money at it, it becomes a vocation well, I don't know, I told my husband, I said, you go out some to work on the car, it's not worth getting all mad and fighting and hollering at each other when it goes wrong. I says, you go pay to have someone do it. Yeah
Because it always seems it goes wrong when you try to do something. I guess as far north as you are if you like gardening, you've still got a couple months to go, haven't you? Oh, yeah. Um, well, right now we, um, start our seeds inside. Uh-huh. Oh, yeah, that's right, you would, yeah. We'll start them inside and, uh, In cold frames or whatever the, Yeah, well, we usually start them right in the house. Uh-huh. My sister tries to set up a greenhouse on her back deck and, and the and a wind storm come and knock it down. Huh. But she's had really good luck. I mean,
next month, well, actually, it, if you, if you start it in a couple weeks and you can get your plants outside, pretty much the end of May, you can leave them outside. Uh-huh. You might put them in the ground just the first week of June Yeah. but we can put potatoes in the ground in the middle of May. Yeah, I've, I've lived in, in Texas and New Mexico most of my life, but I did once, I spent one winter in North Dakota, Oh. and I, I remember that it was on into May before it really started warming up, and, uh Yeah, well, well, we live, we live really close to Lake Champlain, which is in the Champlain Valley, Oh, yeah. so we're a little, we're about two weeks ahead of everyone else out on the outskirts so, Okay,
because that kind of moderates the weather a little bit? Yeah. Yeah. We are a little lucky. Well, my brother lives ten miles from here You're at, and he gets frost and, his crop gets killed. Yeah. You're right across the, uh, lake from, what, Plattsburgh? Yeah, from Plattsburgh Air Force Base. Yeah, yeah. But, um, Yeah, I had, I had a cousin that was stationed there, Plattsburgh for a while. He, he remembers lots of snow Yeah, Plattsburgh's kind of a,
it's, uh, it's, uh, depressed economically. Oh, really, oh. When you go across the lake, um, I don't know why we have so much going for us, I really don't. I'm, just wrote my resume up because told we might be facing layoff over at Digital and they've never had, well, they've had layoffs recently, but when we got hired here, no, no, never any layoffs, never, never, and now we're looking at serious, I, I mean, I'm a technician. Yeah. When they start getting rid of technicians, Yeah, well, I'm, I'm working for T I, Texas Instruments, down here. Well, I interviewed with them. Oh, yeah? But I didn't want to go to Texas. Oh, Even though my, um, mother's people are from Georgia. Oh,
Yeah. yeah. Well, I guess we have to get back to hobbies since, Yeah, we're getting to where, we're straying, I guess, Stick on the subject. yeah. Well, interesting thing that I do is with, gardening, uh, my sister grows flowers that you can dry, Uh-huh. and you can make uh, dried flower arrangements and you can get real handy with the hot glue gun. And we made some really nice Christmas wreaths with, uh, dried red flowers and dried white flowers and, uh, eucalyptus. Huh, yeah. you know what eucalyptus is? It's, Yeah, yeah, the, they uh, it's sold in the hobby stores and nurseries. Yeah,
it's got a It's got a kind of a peculiar smell to it but, Yeah, at first I'm like, oh, how, why do people like this, but it, it is kind of a nice smell after a while. People put them in, Yeah, I didn't realize what it was for a while. I'd walk into a room where some of that, and I'd wonder what is that, you know, and then one day I, I realized that it was eucalyptus. it's, it's, it's, uh, like a fad thing. I, I don't know. It's, I've never heard of it, in the last five years I've used so much of it that, Yeah. I hate, Is that the stuff that koala bears eat in Australia or something? Yeah,

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