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it is. Maybe that's why they're so slow. I guess they're stoned on the stuff or something. Yeah, it, it looks really potent stuff. Yeah yeah. But, uh, it's, yeah, I think it's the greatest stuff in the world, though. It's, jeez, they, I make all kinds of things with it. We make all kinds of things just with dried flowers. I, I almost want to start a business doing it, but I don't, I, I'm so, uh, timid when it comes to starting a business. Yeah, that's, that's a big step, yeah. Yeah, it is, especially with the, being in on the creative aspect and the crafty end. Yeah, uh, You know, after a while you make some stuff,
then you start looking at it, go, boy, this, this is kind of ugly But I know someone who does a lot of woodworking for a hobby. Um, he does it, believe it or not, I wouldn't imagine why, but to get out of the house, away from his wife, because he's a seasonal worker, he works in the construction. And up here it's almost a pattern, and you see your fathers do it, then their sons do it. What they do is they work construction, then they get laid off for like twelve weeks in the winter. And, uh, this guy was going nuts, and his, uh, son built him a garage and got him some, uh, oh, I don't know what the equipment's called, but planers and things and set him up, Uh-huh, shapers and planers and routers. and he makes, all kinds of furniture for, um, his kids, and he makes, uh, uh, like little kids' furniture. He gets right into it and, uh, There was a program on T V down here on the educational channel here a while back about a lot of little, little companies of one and two guys, you know, up there,
this particular one, I think, was in Maine and New Hampshire, where out in the, just kind of out in these little towns they'd be in, they may be the same kind of people you're talking about. You know, they've, they've got twelve weeks to do something, and they, they're making furniture and just, you know, things like that during the winter and then they go off and do other things during the summer. Yeah, it's a, it's a really, good thing because it's keeping him sane, So, yeah, Yeah, yeah. Yeah. and plus it's keeping his marriage Yeah. so, and, and plus he's getting on in his years now. He's, he's not that old, but he's getting to the point where he needed an extra boost, to, to do something like that. Yeah. And, uh, it's really, it's, it's, uh, hard work. I couldn't imagine taking lumber, raw lumber and trying to make something out of it. He He dowels everything.
That would be really you know, like say the, Oh, man, yeah. And it's all got to line up. It's, and, uh, I don't think he goofs too much, I don't to, see too much scrap around. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's something. Now our temperatures down here, we're starting to get pretty consistently in the seventies and eighties God , I'm envious and, uh, so, and, uh, so as far as, you know, planting outdoor stuff, matter of fact, tonight I just got through, I was planting some, some trees out back tonight, and, uh, this is, uh, it's really nice, out tonight. Is it going to be, Is it going to be really dry? Almost hated to come, you know. Uh, are you are you, now I always plant trees in the fall. I don't know why
so the, the cold weather can kill them Yeah, these were, uh, trees that, that wintered. but I guess, I don't know where they came from. They come out of nurseries mostly in Missouri and places like that. And they come down here and they'll sit in the nurseries here and they'll go ahead and, and, uh, leaf out. So what I'm planting or actually transplanting is a tree that's, or trees that are already leafed out. Oh, that's good. I guess they, they say you can plant them in the spring or the fall, all . Yeah. Mostly, I think in a place where it's really cold they do it in the fall, let them winter you know, through the fall, Yeah. but, uh, down here, well, it's done both ways. It, it just kind of depends on what you're, what you're planting, but, uh all the shrubs and, Yeah,
and, uh, when you have time to do it Yeah. My sister does, uh, flower gardens. She gets right into it. Uh-huh. She spends lots of money on them. And I guess a lot of people do, do do that. They landscape their whole house with flower gardens. Yeah . She's got like, just a small patch of lawn and just flowers and mulch tree bark all over her lawn Yeah. Flowers, during the summer down here, the, the normal kind of flowers, there's very few of them that will really do well. Everything does real well here in the spring until about, oh, first part of June and then the the heat sets in. It gets, And June, July, August are, you know, most of the, those kind of plants just, are just barely staying alive, let alone make flowers. Do you have a lot of shade trees around your house or is it, Uh, we're in a relatively new area.
We're kind of out of, uh, the natural tree area. We're kind of up on a, on a higher, on a slope. So you don't have a lot of tree coverage? So we don't have, where we are right now there are very few trees. Because going to make, This was, this was, this was pasture land, but down the, down the hill here a little ways there are parks that are, look like jungles, you know. They're really, Yeah. See, um, uh, where my, uh, well, my grandmother passed away, but where aunts are they have these huge pecan trees, Uh-huh. and they just shade everything. Now where is this? Uh, it's in Georgia. In Georgia, yeah, yeah. It's, yeah, it's right outside of Macon, and, and it's just a,
I like the way that, I like the way that idea of the south is, but when I think of Texas, I think of nothing but, no trees and just grass Well, I tell you what, now, see, East Texas, there's two parts of Texas, East Texas and North Texas. Atlanta and Dallas are almost identical in every way, weather and everything. Yeah. The two cities are very, very identical, so if you were familiar with Atlanta, uh, So it's that dry heat? Uh, well, no, it's, it's, uh, not dry at all. It, it's humid. Well, where is it, is it wasn't it Houston's humid? Houston is awful Yeah. Houston is really humid. No, It's humid.
Well, ironically enough I'm sitting here with a cast on my leg because I resumed an aerobics class the night before last. Oh, no. I ripped the ligaments in my right ankle. Gosh. Yeah so, Exercise is not supposed to do that to you. That's what the nurses kept saying as they laughed all the way, you know, down the hallway. Do you do anything on a regular basis? Well, off and on, off and on. Right now I've been off but, I've been going over to the fitness center. Yeah, that's a good, yeah, I, My husband's a T I in the unit here. Yeah, three times, Well I try to go over there at least three times a week,
and I try to walk, um, at least five times a week. Do you, when you go to the , I have to ask you, and if this is getting to , we're not supposed to get too particular, but I'm just curious, when you go over there does it bother you in terms of how things are arranged, either at the Dallas location or the Spring Creek, in terms of, there's so much, it's so much of a weight orientation, weight lifting, et cetera. Yeah. Uh, well, I've been going to Spring Creek. I haven't been to the Dallas one now in, oh, a couple of years. Uh-huh. At least since they've redone it, supposedly redone. So I don't really, Yeah, well, it's not that great, and I go to the Spring Creek one on and off. But my husband's working over there and he just goes to the Dallas one. But I just don't, I mean, it's just so much weight lifting.
Even the Spring Creek one has a lot of weights in it. Yeah, that's true. Or is that what your into or, No, No, well, I've used the Nautilus equipment. And the bikes, and stair climbers, and stuff like that mostly. Uh-huh. Yeah. I don't use the free weights but, I like the tread mill and the stair master myself over there. Yeah, I like those too. And the pool when it gets warmer. And the pool, yeah. That's great. Yeah
I know. Well, what I did was I went to a jazzercise class in a new location in Richardson near where we live in North Dallas, and long story short, I hadn't, this is really a stupid thing that happened, but they have like the gymnasium flooring and then like they had about three feet of linoleum around the perimeter in the back where I usually stand in any class like that I go to. Uh-huh. Instead of having that level, you know they had a chrome strip that wasn't level, Uh-huh. and it was about four inches deep and then about, oh a seventy degree angle. Oh, my goodness. And as we were jumping around or doing something I just jumped up and came right down on it. Um. The orthopedist called it a, uh, basketball injury where the ankle just rolls under you, and it snapped. Woo. I know. We went to , well whatever in Plano, and the emergency room was like a bad comedy show And the doctor said, you didn't do anything. There's only a one in five hundred chance that the radiologist will call you.
That was Tuesday night, and Wednesday night the radiologist called me at work and, uh, I was on crutches, and he said, I think you better call an orthopedist. So we went to one and he just put a big old cast on it. Put a big cast on it. Yeah, for about four weeks. Four weeks, yeah. Well, I like aerobics, but I'm not so sure that, Well not that much, though. No, I've never, I was off for about six months too just for some other surgery I'd had, but I've never, I'd, you know, I was pretty much in shape walking and, and, you know, this is one of those things, like this orthopedist said, he said you'd be surprised how many how many people come in here with things like that because they are active.
Yeah. You know, I was real embarrassed, but I felt kind of stupid Well, those things happen, though. Yeah, they do. I mean, I guess I'm glad, you know, that, um, nobody really noticed, I guess you could say. Yeah. Because I got up and started jumping on it again. Well that did a lot of good, I'm sure. Yeah really. I enjoy aerobics, and I do it because I like it, I mean, I like the music and that kind of stuff. Yeah. I like the music, but I've been unable to do that, because I hurt my foot about five years ago.
I broke my heel. No, Oh that makes my foot, how'd you do that? In aerobics? no, actually I was up on a ladder, and, uh, fell off. Leaned the wrong way. Oh goodness. Uh-huh. And when I came down I hit with my full weight on my foot, but on concrete. What'd they do for that? Did they have to cast it? Yeah, they had, well they had to go in and do surgery. They put a pin in it. Oh, so the aerobics, the impact, would not be good. Yeah, as I permanently damaged the, the cushion under my heel the normal cushion that you have there. Oh, goodness. Uh-huh.
I can't do any jumping up and down because it makes it hurt. Oh, that makes sense. So, I mean, are you, in terms of other things, like, like, not running, but playing a little bit of tennis, or can you not do stuff like that at all? Uh, well I haven't tried that. I don't know. It's been I bet it's been thirty years since I played tennis. Yeah. It's been, Mostly into just walking and stuff like that. That's probably the safer way because I notice in aerobics a lot of the women that don't look like they shouldn't be doing certain things Uh-huh. I'm always afraid they're going to fall over and have a coro, coronary. Yeah And there was my ego when I went ahead and I went, oh, I can do that and half the time though I don't jump half as much as, Uh-huh. I mean, like, I'm real tall, and, you know, I'm not heavy,
but when you go easy a hundred seventy at my height, um, I'm five eleven you need just take it easy. Um. Sure. Um, but when I see some I mean, and I just don't think it's healthy all that pounding all the time. It isn't, really, it's not really good for your knees. So, yeah, that's the other reason, and, I don't know, this was just, I guess, something freak that happened to me, because I wasn't familiar with the, Well, the floor was uneven. Oh, it was completely, I mean, it literally, the two dissimilar floor floor coverings were not level. And at first after it happened I thought, maybe that's a handicap access, and then I said no, that's just the way it's constructed. Yeah.
And my husband being a T I engineer, I said a few things to him when I got home, I said, who has engineered that? Really But I, sounds you, like one thing that I like, like swimming, you like that a lot? Uh-huh, I like swimming. Uh-huh. do you like to exercise because you want to or because you have to? No, I like, I liked it because I want to, it makes me feel better. That's how I am. Yeah. Yeah. If I don't do it I just feel like I don't have as much energy. Uh-huh. And it's real funny because if you, you know,
it seems like when you exercise and expend the energy that you'd be tired, but it's the other way around. Right. It curbs the appetite and helps with the calories and all that stuff. Yeah really. Yeah but, Yeah, and I need all the help I can get. That gravity factor, I know Uh-huh. It does get you. Like that orthopedist said to me, he said, don't worry Diane, he says, he said, uh, you're at thirty something, but you're on the upper side. He said that, don't worry, he says, even if you weren't doing anything your body would start, that would start to happen to you. Yeah,
thanks a lot. Yeah, because I was saying to him, I said, I'm not that heavy, I'm not heavy, you know, maybe ten to fifteen pounds like any other human being. Uh-huh. I said, uh, why do I feel like I need to start pushing myself more. And he goes, human nature And then, you know, you see these little girls in these little bitty things, and they're all like twenty-one years of age Uh-huh. But luckily at there's a little more diverse clientele. That's true, they do. Except for the guys that lift the weights. They do intimidate. Yeah. I try to go real late or real early before they get there Yeah. There some things I'd like to try,
but, you know, sometime when I ask, I just feel like, boy, am I stupid or what. Uh-huh. Well that's one thing I like about the Spring Creek place. At least the fellow that's there, one of the fellows that's there at night and on weekends is real helpful. Uh-huh. And his name is B J. I don't think I've ever, I think I've, there was some girl there. I've been there like, maybe a dozen times. Uh-huh. But I actually like that site better than the other one just because of the type people that go to. Uh-huh. It's terrible. I don't know if the Dallas location, it just seems that, um, sometimes I feel like I'm in a singles bar Yeah, yeah, that's true. And I haven't noticed that up at Spring Creek.
No, I haven't either, and I just, uh, it's not that far of a drive and I'm glad they did that. Um, you're not missing anything at the Dallas renovated site. It's not at all anything worth talking about. Yeah. Yeah. I thought maybe one of these days I'll drive over there and check it out. Yeah, but if you don't live near there that's not worth, Yeah. I live in Richardson, but it's about half way between the Spring Creek and the, the Dallas site. Yeah. That's actually where this happened to me, out in, I say Plano, but it's all the same to me. Richardson, over on Campbell and Park Hill there's a new recreation center. Uh-huh.
And as we were doing it, too, everybody noticed that there were all these big guys of assorted nationalities. walked out, I was one thing, oh great, I have purple tights on, you know. Uh-huh. And they're going yes. But in general I like to I, I like dance a lot, so I mean aerobics is something I'd hate to give up. But he, he kind of said something to me about probably not as bad as your foot, but he just said to me, maybe you ought to try bicycling or, Yeah, you probably will for a while, because it's going to be real tender. He told me eight to twelve weeks. Uh-huh. Not anything, you know. I said, but you're only going to put the cast on for a couple of weeks. He said, yeah, but that's just, they tried to put me in some kind of immobilized walker, because he doesn't like to put casts on when it's warm.
But I just, the more they tried to get my foot in the more I screamed, I couldn't, you know adjust that. I know what you mean. You know more about this stuff than I do, obviously then, Not fun No. Well, you're walking okay now obviously, and you can, Oh, yeah, I have a slight limp from it, but it matches one if I have one on the other side. Yeah Well, anything else about exercise we can talk about. Well, other than I need to go. Yeah, me too, me too. I need to go actually get something to eat here. It's great though,
I really do enjoy it. Okay, thank you, Sandy. Sure, thanks. Uh-huh. Bye-bye. I don't know, um, do you do a lot of camping? Well, my husband and I haven't done a whole lot of camping, we, but we bought a van last year, Yeah. and we were hoping, uh, to do some camping in the van, um, we did go camping in not Arkansas, Oklahoma. Uh, last year in, we camped in a tent, and, uh, there were two other couples with us and there was, uh, state park. Oh, so , And it was really nice. Yeah,
um, up here some of the state parks are really nice and some of them aren't, some of them are pretty rough. Really? Um, yeah, they, they just have like outhouses, they don't have like a shower room or anything, yeah , but some of them are really nice they have showers and full bathrooms, Um. um, but I don't know, I, I've been camping a couple times but I'm not a real avid camper, uh, a lot of people I know are, but, um, I don't, I don't . I, I don't like really camping in the rough. I like the, the, the little necessities like having electricity available and running water and showers and things like that. Yeah, we went, we went once to a lean-to
and it, um, I mean, there wasn't any electricity on the camp site but it was all right, we only spent two nights there. I wouldn't want to spend more than two nights. I wouldn't want to go for like a week, but, um, two nights is good. Yeah, that would, that would be much. Um, especially there was a little store close by, so, it was pretty nice. Yeah, the campsite that we went to was an area that, it's right on a big lake, and there's a lot of boating out there, and we, we went up there to hopefully be able to get on the water a little bit but it was still, uh, it was still, too, cold. Oh, really? Oh. Yeah,
it, it was pretty early in the year. Um, yeah, up here you got to wait until, August, until the water warms up . Yeah. Well, it's not that bad but it's still pretty chilly. Um, I don't know, I was, I have a tent and I fluff out in it, in the backyard and stuff, but this thing about camping that bothers me is you've got to pack everything and another thing is the thing seems to get, it's dirty you know, Yeah. so, you can't keep the dirt out of the tent. I don't know we have a seven year old, it's pretty funny, like stay out. Yeah, we, we have, we have a dog
and that's just about as bad as a kid Yeah, boy, he doesn't go in and out of the tent a hundred times . And use it as a play, uh, Uh-huh. they like to play in them. Yeah, I don't know how you can really keep, uh, the inside of a tent clean. Yeah, I don't know . Other than, you know, taking your shoes off right before you walk in or something and, and sweeping it out everyday, it's really hard to, to keep the sand and dirt out of it. Yeah, well, what we were doing, we were just going to say, we're just going to sleep in the tent and hang out at night, so, you know, no going in and out, and, or what he wants to do, we had brought his friend along, was play in the tent. It was like, no, this is not working, you can't do that, you get the tent all dirty. Did, Plus you get it all wet, we were at a beach site, too. Uh-huh.
Um, did you have another, a big tent, like uh, um, like a, looks like a sitting area type, you know, like a two room type ? No, but, you know, I was just thinking of getting one those for the yard because they are really nice and, um, up here we have, uh, we have quite a few mosquitoes at nighttime. Yeah, yeah, we don't really have a problem with that, um, in these areas, um, and even, even when in Oklahoma when we camped I really didn't notice a problem with bugs. And I noticed that, I know that I said, that's, I've, I've lived back east before, um, they, They're terrible, they're really terrible. Uh, but, there's this one campsite, that it, just some of them are known but there is one that's out in this big lake and its, its, its, mosquitoes are terrible and then there's this, there's this other one that's more up in the mountains but it surrounds a man-made reservoir and there's no bugs,
that's the whole thing that everyone told me, oh, I'm, I was going to go to, Little River State Park, that place is great, there's no bugs. Huh. But, oh, okay, because, uh, we were having a really big problem up here in certain areas, we were really affected bad by it , but really got it, um, almost destroyed the the tourism in one town, because of the mosquitoes, they're so, bad. Really? Yeah, that was, it's a really nice area, I've been there before and it's, I, I couldn't imagine living just sixty miles north of them but they were plagued, they were plagued with them, with mosquitoes. And you can go out, outside in the daytime, all right, but the minute the sun went down, um, that's when it's usually, the minute the sun sets the mosquitoes come out.
Huh. I mean, just the very second, it's really strange. They, uh, they must, uh, work on that, you know, the, it gets cooler when the sun sets and then they all come out. Well, have you ever, have you ever taken any of those, um, what do they call this, lights, have you ever used those? Oh, yeah, yeah, I never really noticed how effective they were, but, um, because that wasn't really, I bought them, I really didn't get to use them like, oh, there's mosquitoes let's turn them. We just sort of lit them. Uh-huh. And, um, we weren't bothered that much by mosquitoes, so, we didn't really contribute it to that. But, um, I think in an area that's really thick with mosquitoes, I can't see all this little, uh, smoke buckets I call them,
Yeah. they work, but they're suppose to work really well. Huh. Oh, I'm in my paperwork here, that's what I do when I wait for a phone call, I get in my paperwork Oh, to find my most important parts. But I don't know, I don't know if I'm going to go, I wish was an avid camper and I could really talk about like gardening or something, you can talk about that a lot, Uh-huh. but, um, I do want to go again. We just moved to a new into a house, so, I don't think camping, maybe in the backyard, but I don't see going on a camping trip probably until next summer. Yeah, I'd, I'd like to go camping cross-country, um, I just got married less than two years ago,
so, we don't have any, any children yet, um, So, it's easy for you to go. Yeah, so, easy to pick up and go, and, we have a van and we can just throw a couple of sleeping bags in the back of it. Um, oh, God So, it's not really, I guess, camping the way most people picture camping in the tent but, I don't know but that sounds that my, my kind of camping, it really does. Yeah, okay, um, well, um, that is is to have a, a nice vehicle where you can have everything in it, plus your tent. Yeah, or, or get, my brother has a real nice pop-up. Yep. And he just, he just tows it behind his truck. Um,
And he, he's got three kids, so, his kids will sleep in the truck, in the, in the back of the bed. Um, and they sleep in the pop-up. Well, those, they're kind of nice but they're also, um, flimsy when you really look at them. But when you get inside they're really nice, you know, Yeah. everything's really, but then when you look underneath them, it's just got these little wheels and this little axle, it's like, oh, my and then a big windstorm it would pick you up. Yeah, he did have a problem, uh, when he went camping last year in Beavers Bend, Oklahoma, um, a, a storm came in and it started raining really heavy and they were all, everybody was trying to flee the campsite, everybody was getting stuck in the mud. Oh, jeez, And, uh, yeah,
what do you, what do you do when you get a, I mean, like a really violent storm like a tornado, just stay in your truck. I mean, I wouldn't stay in the, um, Well, theirs was so bad, and they were so close to the water that the water was coming up, Oh. and they had to get out of there. So, then, were they successful? Yeah, they, yeah, they were. But it took them a little while? But, yeah, they they decided that, that was enough camping for the weekend. Yeah, so, did they get stuck? No, they ended up getting out. They ended up helping several other people though that were, that were stuck. Yeah, huh. Well, so, they evacuated it
Yeah, yeah, they, the whole, the whole campsite was evacuated. Wow. I mean some, I think some people that had fairly sturdy, um, vehicles or whatever if they had like a Winnebago or something and they were farther in away from the water, I think they stayed. Yeah. But everybody that was real close to the water ended up, it was either that or their truck was going to go floating downstream. I know I always I like to get right on the water, yeah, by the campsite, it's so, Yeah. we have lean-tos up here. I really like them, like I say, they're kind of, just kind of more sturdy than anything, you know, just, just, They have them right at the campsites? Yeah, they're, they're lean-tos. Yeah, they're pretty nice, Wow.
they're, they're, uh, it's like a little house except the whole face is open, and the one time that we went, we got one, it was overlooking the water but it was a big embankment, I wanted to get one right on the water. we had an electrical storm too, and it was really, it was neat sitting there watching it, I mean, it was raining, when we called home, everybody said, oh, we were worried about you in that storm ... All right, well I have a lot of different teams that I like to, to keep in touch with, of course, Texas Rangers being one of them, I mean, uh, you know, you can't live in Dallas without, you know, Well what are the others? Well, uh, I originally came from Saint Louis, so, uh, the Saint Louis Cardinals are one, uh, I moved to Kansas City, see I have, I have a tendency to, a, adopt teams when I go to a uh, go to a town. Well it's helpful. Yeah,
so, uh, I lived in Kansas City for a couple years and I adopted the Royals, I lived in Houston for two and a half years so I adopted the, uh, uh, the Houston Astros, so I mean, you know, I've got quite a few. Well do you keep up with the statistical stuff? No, I don't, I don't get into that too much, every once in a while, I will keep in, in touch, with maybe, like who's in the top five of hitting, or something like that but I don't get into, you know, how many errors somebody has or things like that. Well there's, there's a guy on, that was on show that I listen to going to work in the morning who does, uh, uh, Uh-huh. it's essentially trivial statistics Uh-huh. but they've got a it's a statistic that has to do with winning and losing one run games. I've heard of that one. And apparently the Rangers last year, won a lot of one run games. Well I didn't know that, that's supposed to be a real good statistic, uh.
Well, it, it, it is but it's the, it's, it's a reverse indicator. Well that's true, they don't have the offense to, uh, to get out, or to have the, the more runs, so. Well what the, what the argument is and it, it, it, it's one of these statistical, gee, how can you draw a conclusion from it, but they find that, there's a connection between that and how they do in Spring training the following year. Uh-huh. And, uh, it's strangely enough, it's almost like the law of averages catches you on the following year. Huh. Which means that if you have a good year winning one one run games that the following year, you'll have a bad year. And they, they've got, um, they've looked at I think twenty-three teams, uh, and, and, the, uh, statistics are something like twenty-one out of twenty-three. It was, which means the Rangers are going to have a terrible year, I, uh, Which I was kind of leaning toward anyway, to tell you the truth. Well, I mean, and it's, uh, uh,
I don't know, what do you, what do you think of Incaviglia's loss. I kind of think it was necessary, I mean, I, I don't, I'm not a, a big, um, pure power hitter anyway. I mean, I don't like these guys that get up there and swing for the downs every time. I mean, uh, I think that, uh, that a player ought to hit a home run if he's got the pitch to do it, but when you get two strikes on you, you have a you know, you should, you know, shorten your swing a little bit, you know, if it's a perfect shot, go for it, but I mean, you know, the strike outs were a big problem for him, and, uh, plus supposedly what I heard, he was not much of a team player anyway, so. Well it, it's an interesting concept, though, when you look at, uh, of, of how baseball, how apparently, I was reading in the paper tonight that the Detroit Tigers are going to sign him. And, uh, and the point of, of, I guess, I don't understand the, the strategy of how baseball works, but it seems that, you know, they can sign him tomorrow, Uh-huh. and he could go in the team the next day, and, and, and they put him in the lineup and he hits a home run
and all of a sudden he becomes a hero. Yeah, well that's true. And, and all he has to do is hit the ball, I mean, you're not, and all he has to do is one, you know, hit it once. It doesn't, he can, he can he can swing a couple times, if he fouls it up he can swing as much as he can. Right. It's an interesting, uh, an interesting concept of, of how they do it. But I agree with you I think that, I think that's part of what, uh, baseball needs more of. I, uh, I, I guess what bothers me is, is that when you go, um, you wait and wait and wait and finally a guy gets up there and blasts a home run and that's all the game is. I'd rather see the ball hit around and have the people, Yeah, well there's, there's another point to that too. They said the, that um, that he was horrible at, uh, at batting with, with men on base.
Now having somebody get up and hit a solo home run does you, you know, gives you run, obviously. Yes. But I mean if you can't do it with men on base, there's something definitely wrong, um, you know, you, you've got to be able to get the two and three run home runs, you know, to, to be able to, uh, score enough runs to be able to win in these, uh, in this day and age, so. Yeah, well how do you think the Royals are going to do? I think the Royals will do okay. They have, they have several pitchers that had badly years last year and they are, they're these, uh, cycle pitchers, they, they pitch one year bad, one year good, one beer bad, one year good. Saberhagen has won, uh, supposedly the Cy, I think he won Cy year, uh, two out of three years, and, uh, you know, so he's very much due for a good year. Well are they going to beat, are they going to beat Oakland? Well now see that's a good question, I, that's, I don't know how Oakland's going to react to being, uh, swept in the World Series last year. They could very easily, uh, take that as a challenge. Which is the way most teams you know, naturally do. Uh, and, and, just go out and not give anybody a chance to beat them, Yeah. so,
Well I go to Saint Louis from time to time and I watch, I, I watch their sports up there and they're, uh, they're certainly intense about the Cardinals they, Uh-huh. Oh yeah, baseball is their, is their life up there like football is down here I think. did you actually live in Saint Louis? I lived in the suburbs of Saint Louis, yeah. everybody does, right. Yeah, that's true too, I think that's all that they have. I had a friend from college that lives in, uh, it's well, I should say on the west side, I mean everything's on the west side. Manchester? Uh-huh. Uh, out that way, Um.
and I went and visited him, but anyway, it is interesting. Well how are the Cardinals? Do you still keep up with them, or Yeah, oh yeah, I, I definitely do, in fact I've got family that still lives up there. Um, from what I hear from everybody up there, they're not going to have a good year because they let too many people go. But I've been following Spring training and they're like one of the best teams in spring training so far. Well is that a good indicator? That, well it can be. It, it really kind of depends on, on, um, what they were, you know, what they were looking for. In other words, if, if in Spring training they were looking at all their kids, like a lot of them do, um, then it really doesn't give you any indication. But if they were, uh, playing the people that they're going to play, then that might be pretty good indication, so, you know, it's, it's not a great indication because there have been teams that have just, you know, come out and just won all kinds of games in Spring training and then gone on a, you know, fourteen game losing streak in the first of the season so, You know what I think is remarkable is, uh, it seems that what you really need to do to win though, is to have a team that has reasonable talent and has some people that have, have, have real breakthrough years.
Exactly, yeah. And, and the question is how do you forecast that, You can't. if you had to, if you had to bet on who would be in the World Series, I mean it would be really tough. Right, I think the best thing that you can do is go with, um, the players that are, that have the talent to do the best years. And, um, that they hadn't had these, uh, gigantic, uh, career years yet and, and just kind of assume that, you know, one of them is going to break through eventually, Yeah. so. And I, I think they said the Reds, um, this last year, I'm not sure that they said that they had that many people having career years. Yeah. You know, and, and so they may be even better this year. Well, well when are the Rangers going to come through Uh, that's a good question. I, the Rangers have a, have a pitching problem and whether or not they can fix that or not is going to be an interesting question. They're doing the right thing, though, uh, they are going with their farm system. They're letting their farm system, uh, build up and stuff like that
and, Well is there enough money, that's part of it, I, uh, that was part of Skip Bayless' argument. Uh-huh. I don't know if you read Skip Bayless, but a, a local commentary No. and, his argument is that uh, the ownership is not inclined to lose big money long enough to, to bring in the big dollars. Uh-huh. Um, that's probably true. Would you, would you agree with that? Well considering what I've seen in the last, uh, you know, two seasons, I'm beginning to agree with that, yeah. But I mean, you don't have to spend the big money, as far as I'm concerned to, uh, to win. You just have to spend it if it's necessary. Uh. In other words if you've got a player on your team who's helping your team, then keep him there. Don't let him go away. Yeah.
And I think that's really what's been hurting, uh, the, uh, Rangers. Well didn't Kansas City put up quite a bit of money for their pitching staff . Oh yeah, they, they spent more money, last year than any other team in the, in the league and they were, you know, toward the bottom of the league. Uh, so it's like I said spending money doesn't guarantee you, uh, winning a pennant. Yeah. It really doesn't, so. Well and that, I think that's maybe part of it that, that the, um, and it, you know, if I owned the team. I think you'd like them to do well but the question of losing big, big money that what, did, did, did Steinbrenner actually make money on the, Uh, you got me. I, you know, I think that there's coming to a point real soon when ticket prices are going to be to the point where the average fan can't go and once you do that, you lose everything, I mean. Well it's, it, it, yeah, it's a little bit like any other sport, you know. When it starts costing you fifty or a hundred dollars to go to a game Uh-huh.
and, uh, you know, I mean, I, I guess as we get older, you're probably going, if, if you, if you compare to go to a, a sport, a, a say you go to a rock concert, or, or even a performance, a, an opera or the symphony or something, uh, Uh-huh. if, you know, but how, how often do you do that. Right. An I, I, I would, I would think baseball probably feeds on a number of people that can go out there, you know, several times a, That, that's the whole point. There are so many games in, in a year that they've got to have repeat customers. Yeah. They can't afford not to, and, you know, that's one of the things that I think Saint Louis has done, um, I mean, their, you know, their ticket prices are, you know, I guess as high as anybody else's but what, somehow or another they, attract, uh, so many people from, I mean they're a, it's a small market and yet they attract as many if not more than most, uh, uh, most, other cities, so.
Yeah, but don't you think there's a, there, there are older fans there. I, I don't mean older, um, you know, the fact that, that it's, it's a better established and that the, the city is, is, is more, of a ... Okay, um, what baseball team are you familiar with? Well, I'm only a little bit familiar with the Red Sox because I lived up in Boston for a while, Really? and, um, and that's, Oh, now come on, no Texas Rangers? after that, if you asked me that I wouldn't have been able to tell you if that was football or baseball. Really? I guess they paired two women together on this call for a reason which is something we can think about later but, um, I understand a little bit about the Texas Rangers. I know George Bush threw out the first pitch hitter bounced off the ground and that, um, yeah , I heard a joke on the radio yesterday that, in regard that he didn't design the patriot missile system, and, uh, the radio's kind of cruel,
I mean, think, the, he, this chain that must have been on President Bush to bounce the first pitch off the ground, I mean, how humiliating for a man to do that, any man. I don't care if you're President. Yeah, but at the same time, I don't know, it's pretty far to throw that far I couldn't do it. I know but he's a man come on, men know how to do that, right? Right, he's supposed to be able to do that. I know so, I felt kind of sorry for him. that must have been hard on him because he's just a person but, um, I never , a major owner of our of the team here. Oh, really? I didn't know that. Yeah,
he's like, I thought he was the owner but it turns out my Mom said that he's part owner but he must own the biggest chunk because that's all you hear about is, if, you know, about Neal Bush I think is his name. Uh-huh. See, I even know his name because he's on the news a lot, and I never had to watch the news not, you know, not like some people hour and a half a day or anything. Yeah, and I've been watching, uh, my husband's French and so if I've been watching the French news, when I watch it. Uh-huh. It's incentive , speaking of Bush, we're going to get a little off topic but speaking of Bush, they that had a story where he went to visit some little, uh, elementary school students, and stuff. Oh, I saw that. Did you see that, where he, the guy asked him for proof of who he was, Yeah. he said his . I want to see your driver's I, I, I don't,
I know and see a credit card you're not President Bush. I know and he said yeah, it does so fast , I heard it on the radio. I heard the audio portion on the radio in the car but I didn't see it but, It was so funny to see, it was a really cute little kid too. That's about my extent of, um, about baseball, I don't know, that much about it. Well, I can tell you, that the Mets opened, I think, two days ago, Uh-huh. because my brother was supposed to go to the opening game, and I couldn't tell you who pitched, Uh-huh.
but they won, the Mets won. Did they? But, yeah, not my a lot, *sp? by and then somebody else lost, maybe it was the other New York team which is the Yankees, Uh-huh. but I don't even know if they're still New York Yankees, or New Jersey. That's so stupid that you all have two teams. Yeah. That's really stupid. Well, but it, then they can have them play against each other. Yeah, I know. I think it's still the New York Yankees, you know, Yeah. I thought they were moving to New Jersey This is how much I know about baseball.
The Texas Rangers, they, they lost, I think. Uh-huh. But I know that last year we did go to a baseball game last year. We got free tickets because someone at our church, one of the deacons at church, um, parks cars at The Mansion at Turtle Creek which is like one of the, uh, the places and stuff. Uh-huh. And he's their head chauffeur, is this funny, as they're parking the cars the valet service. Right . Yeah, he makes good money too doing that, you'd be I was shocked, but anyway, someone gave an Iranian a tip of four Rangers tickets last year, Uh-huh. and then the Iranian couldn't, he didn't want them, so he gave them to Alan, and Alan and his Dad had plans that night so they gave them to us, so he decided that some wealthy man tipped this Iranian, with baseball tickets,
With baseball tickets. and we ended up with them, right. And so we were, walking up Yeah . and I looked at my husband and I said, you know what Kyle this is The Mansion at Turtle Creek a tip I bet these are really good seats and so we ended up on first base right down there on the floor, Wow. oh, yeah, we they called us at five and the game started at seven so we just threw everything together, ran over and got the tickets and walked and so we took two kids with us and nobody brings two children in these seats, you know because, Because they're fancy seats and stuff. yeah, and you just sit down and all the girls were all dressed up you know, I just was there, you know,
like I'm loaded, I'm here, you know, and, uh, it was just kind of funny because, you know, but we got to sit by first base if they did hit a ball I would have been afraid it would have knocked my face in, you know. I know I'm always scared of that whenever I go to a game. I rarely go but we went last year because my brother, my brother is impossible, when, um, he does football leagues and baseball leagues and all kinds of stuff, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and if there's a game on, he's watching it. I mean, that's all there is to it, Really? and he's like glued at the T V. I'm glad my husband's not like that. Oh, I'm glad my husband's not like that either, I'd kill him My brother's like that and, um, see he goes to a lot of games,
not a real lot, but he tries to go, then my father got us some tickets, Uh-huh. so my brother's wife and my husband and I went. Last year we wanted to show my husband what a baseball game was because, you know, being a non-American you want to see what a baseball game is like. Uh-huh. And he describes it as, you sit there in a crowd, it was nice weather and stuff, it wasn't a real problem, but you sit there in a crowd, and you're waiting and waiting and waiting and you eat these lousy the hot dogs um, because we made him try a hot dog, you know , That's funny. and, um, so you sit there and you wait for the longest time really bored, and then all of a sudden something happens but you happen to look the other way during the time, You miss the whole thing.
yeah, and so you're basically you sit there and wait for something exciting to happen and when it happened he missed it, and didn't understand it Um, he grew up out, well, he grew up in , which is the, sort of O strip east to west, eastern part, That's funny. Where is he from in France? Uh-huh. but that , Yeah. I have a, I had a friend in college from Strasbourg, Yeah, he's not that far, he was sort of in between Strasbourg, and Paris. Uh-huh. Paris. And my cousin lives in Paris and she's lived there for like, oh, off and on for twenty years. Oh, is she still there? Uh-huh. Because, Saint Claude is that sound familiar?
Yeah, Saint Claude, Yeah. yeah, we used to, that's one of the, um, entrances to the periphery to get in and out of the city. Oh, really? And it, it, it, it sits right at the limit, Uh-huh. I exactly where she is. But, um, we met in Paris. That's neat. Yeah, she married and they have twelve children. Twelve children? She has twelve children. Oh, my God, the poor woman. She looks gorgeous, no
she's gorgeous and she just liked having kids and she's thin and, I mean, four or more children are thin, Were any of them twins? I mean, I'm not kidding you. You probably can't afford to eat if you have more than two of them No, your, I have a friend now that has seven. And, um, and they're all eight and under, and nine and under, Uh-huh. they're all real young, they're just raised right that's what God's told them to do but they're not condemning you, if you, we only have one child, you know, they don't say, they don't put on bad or anything which is good because it would be easy, I'm sure, for them to do that, you get a conviction like that
and you think everyone should have it. And so I'm real proud of them because they're aren't really, they don't do that at all. Uh-huh. You go in their bathroom and there's ten tooth brushes in there. And I always give her a hard time whose toothbrush did you really use this morning But how do they afford to even have the kids, uh, we're expecting our first baby, almost any day Uh-huh. Uh-huh. They live lean for one thing and they tithe and they it puts a whole in your money bag, *spelling: hole we don't honor God with this portion and so they, I think that helps a lot. I think that's the key, in he, like his sales last year he just works a normal job. He probably has an income of thirty-five thousand, but last year he made
that got him a bonus of twenty-five thousand which allowed him to pay cash for a full size van. He loves God, I mean, it was the biggest thing that any one in this company had ever done, Wow. and he got to do it and so God just really blesses him in ways like that, do trust God because, I don't know, kids are a blessing and, and some people you know, we think of blessings as nice furniture and things like that, but kids are just as much of a blessing inside these material things but it's a different kind and a lot times people think, oh, well, I'm not blessed I have an old car. But you've got five kids, you know, Uh-huh. you're just as blessed, probably more, because if you follow this, there's a good book called WHAT THE BIBLE HAS TO SAY ABOUT CHILD TRAINING, by Richard Fugate Uh-huh. and he's, you know, a lot of wisdom in it. And the kids at BIBLE talk about anything
but training, and training is different than anything else in, in psychology doesn't address it. A lot of the psychology stuff, the good stuff that's in psychology it just comes out of the BIBLE and they don't quote you the proverb out of it, but the things that work in psychology other the years that they've proven to work, they just come out of the BIBLE and so this book it just really all these things and how to train the child so they're not going to be a curse to you when they're thirteen. Uh-huh. What I mean how to train them so they're going to be a blessing and so, you know, they do that and they, they just live lean pretty much they don't, she doesn't shop at Foley's you know, and stuff like that. But a lot women die or shop at Foley's so things , I, I don't know what Foley's is It's like a Macy's, kind of store, Uh-huh. it's pretty nice and everything's pretty expensive and, you know, you just can't do that
and you don't go to baseball games as much or you get pictures like we did. You know what I mean? Yeah. You do these fun things, you know, in other kinds of ways and I know Manhattan's real expensive but, um, it's kind of a different situation because you're probably living in an apartment, right? Yeah, well, that makes a really big difference. But, but, still it's just as hard as having, that, Yeah. but your cousin could have a baseball team with twelve kids Well, church softball leagues, so, Uh-huh. they're not all boys and right now we don't have a girls' league because I'm the one that's supposed to start one and I just haven't gotten around to doing it. I keep saying we need to have one. They go, okay, then start one.
But everybody wants to do it but, you know, God's sitting on my heart and I just hadn't gotten around to doing it, but anyway, so they could really only have four members on the team. I think they only have four boys . I don't even think they have but two old enough to play yet. Uh-huh. But, um, then you didn't believe me about her kids *listen: this and utt2 as one utt are the they are so good. I'm not kidding you but she does work with them and it's a commitment and, that, that's what they're called to do. Uh-huh. I have a, most of my friends, I admire someone that can do that, you know, I really can. I know, I do too,
I, most of my friends have three or four kids and they feel like, you know, that's really why God and some of the people in our church use birth control and some of them don't, I had my tubes tied so you, Well, this is a good subject, isn't it? Yeah. It's, it's something that you can really talk about. Yeah. Um, I don't know what we're going to do about it, but, but it's certainly something that has a lot of things to talk about. Uh-huh. Um, you know, when they say the Middle East, it's such a big area Uh-huh. and there's so many different problems there. Uh, what do you want to concentrate on. It doesn't matter to me. Well, uh, I'll tell you something, um, I, I have a sister-in-law from Israel,
Uh-huh. and, and they're really quite, uh, arrogant about it all. They, they believe that they, they belong there and they've belonged there forever, and, the Palestinians and the Arabs are, uh, more or less, they, they consider them second class. Uh-huh. So, they're really quite arrogant about it. I don't, uh, I don't know if that contributes to the problem. Well how did they feel about the, uh, the United States intervening with Patriot missiles, did, did they, Oh, uh, I'm, I'm sure this is the one time that the Israelis are really happy to have their big brothers, the Americans, Uh-huh but, I didn't really talk about that with her. She, um, um, my sister-in-law now lives in, um, Switzerland. Oh. But, um, when they were living in Israel, it was, it was, the, the Palestinians, they, they come in an, and they're, they're nothing but really servants for them, and they really treat them like second class citizens. They, they don't really want them around
but they like them around because they do all the menial labor and such. Uh-huh. But they, they really do, they look down on them. And, I don't know, being, I, I live in, uh, Vermont and being up here we pretty much treat everybody, you know, as someone that has merit, even if they're poor, or if they're Hispanic or if they're black. We give everybody pretty much the benefit of a doubt because we don't see all the crime and, all the hurt in the big cities, you know. Uh-huh. if I lived in Washington, D C I think I'd have a different attitude about Black people because I've heard that it, it, the, they're terrible, you know, it's just like it's a dog eat dog world. And here, you know, all, all my black friends are professionals and they're, they don't, you know, they don't go out and abuse drugs and they, they send their kids to school and they, they, they uh, you know really encourage them to go to college and stuff. Uh-huh. So it's just a different world. Well I live in San Antonio and fifty percent of the population is minority.
Oh, um, I talked to someone about San Antonio, Uh-huh. and, um, they said that they, they have, you have quite the problem with, uh, the ghettos, I don't know, do they call it the barrio down there. That's the barrios but it's, it's I don't think it's any different of a problem than any other major city. It's just Hispanics here instead of Blacks. Yeah, but I heard that San Antonio, unlike like, like a city like San Diego it it just has a really bad problem. I grew up outside of Houston and I don't think, uh, as far as gang violence and things, I don't think it's any worse here than in Houston. Yeah, like say Houston. Now I would, now me not even knowing anything about Houston, I would think that it's a pretty calm city. Houston is not at all. No, huh, there's a lot of crime? Yes there's quite a bit of crime.
Oh, my, um, yeah, like I, we're so protected up here, it's, it's really strange. I mean our red light district, I mean, uh, you could go walking around down there and pretty much not fear for your life, you know, Uh-huh. and we're just so protected. But, it's, it's, over in the Mid East, especially Israel, it's just like Israelis have a like a totalitarian system, when it comes to the Palestinians. You know, the Israelis can do anything they want but when it comes to Palestinians, if they're out in the street at night, it's, it's really looked on as odd. Um, usually they're, they're bussed in to the, the, um, Jewish neighborhoods, and the Jewish cities and then at night they're bussed out to the occupied territories. Huh. So they don't have that. But, uh, what do you think about the mess that's, we've created in Iraq? I think it's unfortunate, uh, as far as the Kurds are concerned, it, I It's just what do you do for them, you want to do something for them,
but you don't want to get so directly involved that you're occupying the, the country. Yeah, yeah, we can't get involved in their civil war, um, unfortunately, but we've kind of driven these people out. To do it, yeah, but you see President Bush is telling them rebel, you know, uh, uprise. And that's what they did and now they're like asking him for help and he's like, no we can't get involved. What my husband had very strong feelings, he, uh, agreed with, um, the General Schwartzkopf, he said, um, he should have let, Bush should have let him finish his job. Sure. He should, he should have let them, um, corner the Republican Guards, Well I think the war ended too soon. Yeah, exactly, that's what everyone says.
Yeah. everyone I talk to, they says, you know, it's real easy to say that. We, we didn't damage enough of their arsenal. We damaged most of it but we, we should have gotten, made sure we got everything. Yeah, I don't think the higher ups were thinking about what this guy's going to do with the rest of his war machine. They're going, oh, well it's not going to hurt us so we're just going to let them go, but really we didn't think about the people that he was going, and I mean, he, he's just, Unfortunately though, the, the original goal of the mission was to drive them out of Kuwait. And once that was accomplished it, They, yeah, they, they did, they stuck right to their goals, Yeah. and right, what they were going to say. And the American people, when this first started, they were even reluctant to let them do that. Yeah.
So they were, they were playing it very safe, but, you know, it, an ounce what do they say, an ounce of hind sight is worth, whatever. Yeah. they, I don't know, they, it, Schwartzkopf knew what had to be done and it's too bad that he just didn't have the ability just to do it, to you know, the, uh, the go ahead to do it. Yeah. Because he had the he knew what was going to happen, more than any of us. it was going to make such a mess. I mean I feel really sorry for these people, these people are middle class people, just like us. Can you imagine if someone started bombing your neighborhood, Yeah. and you knew this, these people are going to come and if you were in your house they were going to take you and beat you. Of course, you're going, just going pick everything up that you can carry and you're going to run. Uh-huh. And it, it's just too bad that we couldn't see that.
I just have a feeling that the military involvement isn't over yet. That I, I still feel like there's more to come. I don't think this whole issue is settled as far as we're concerned. Well you know what I was hoping? I was hoping Iran was going to take a very, um, dramatic stand and invade, you know, and then like Iran's the big bad guy, you know, but, really, if, if they were going to save people's lives, They've got sixty or so of Iraq's planes. Yeah, I know, it's like they were using them as friends when we were having the conflict but, I, I, you know, I almost swear, I'm kind of disappointed with the Iranians, why they didn't go save, I mean, I don't know if the Kurdish, I know the Shiites are their people. Uh-huh. But, I don't know, I think they have a bond with the, the Kurds. There are some Kurds living in Iran. Yeah, I, I think they should have just done more, uh,
and maybe if the world could have given them some type of aid. It's, it's just so complicated. I was real surprised that Israel stayed out of it as, as much as they did. Oh, yeah, well, you, knowing them, they're very, um, oh, I don't know, almost compare them to a very egotistical man. Uh-huh. You're damn right, I'm going to protect my family, you know, so, I, I was amazed too. I was really, I was really, um, proud of them, though, that they stayed out of it. But, Yeah, it and from, from what I can tell if they had gotten into it, it would have started a whole new war. Oh yeah, I was, I that part scared me. That, that, um, the Egyptians would pull out
and I just saw atomic bomb, Uh, I have, uh, I guess a lot of thoughts about the Vietnam War, um, I, I guess I feel like I was pretty young while it was going on and so there's probably a lot of things I remember and a lot of things that I really didn't have a clue as to what was happening. Yeah. Um, looking back, like maybe some of the things that I know now, I, I'm not sure I do believe it was worth the cost in dollars and lives. That was one of the questions that she asked us to think about, because I, because we never went to war. I don't think we were committed to winning it and getting out and I, I feel like it went on and on. Right. And I, I guess I see such a contrast like as opposed to the Middle East War we just had, where President Bush went out and got worldwide support for, for what was happening. Right. You know, I just feel like maybe we went in to be policeman and I'm not sure that's our role, but. Yeah, I, I agree with that, I was, I was fairly young at the time too, I, I really don't have very many memories about it at all, in fact.
Uh-huh. And, uh, my husband is a Vietnam veteran and you know, he in looking at the Persian Gulf war that just went on, he, it frustrates him because of the support that they have and the support that the Vietnam vets did not have, from the people or the administration, either one. of static throughout Don't you think that maybe that's why we had it this time? I mean I do think that, it's been too long in coming but I feel like maybe the American people and, and the government are aware of the things that we did wrong that we didn't support that that those, Right. so many people were opposed to the war, what it translated into was they were opposed to the folks that were there fighting it and those guys were there doing their duty. That's right, I mean, they weren't there by choice and, and, Yeah, and I, I think that we learned from that and I think it, it's one of those things that you learn the hard way. It was a tragic mistake, Right. the way that they have been treated over the years and I believe that's just now turning around. Just now, you know, trying to be rectified
and I'm, and I'm not sure you can undo the damage that was done emotionally, on so many of the people. Right. No, I don't think you can and I, I agree with you that I, I think that the, the time difference between the two wars has allowed a lot of people to see the mistakes that were made in, in, in every aspect of it and I, I agree with you also, that I feel like it was not worth the money spent or the lives lost to fight that war. I mean they're still not settled over there. No, they're not. And I have a feeling that the Persian Gulf crisis is going to be the same way. Yeah. I think we're going to end up back there in a few years or, if, if not sooner. Well I, I appreciate the I feel like President Bush is in a hard spot. He went over there to get them out of Kuwait, which he did. Uh-huh. And then he has backed out, he has pulled out. And I realize they're still saying, well here you're encouraging us to get rid of Saddam Hussein, so why aren't you helping us?
And you see, I think him going in and doing that would be putting us in another Vietnam situation. I think it would too. And I don't think the U S will stand for it. I don't think he would do that, No, uh, I think we learned too much of the effects. Yeah, I agree with that. Uh, you know whether it was justified or not, I know, that they probably felt like we were going in for a good cause. I, I feel like maybe they felt like we were doing the right thing to try and help maintain the democracy over there and, and beat the communism, Uh-huh. but, but I think somewhere that got lost. You know, in the long term effects of the, of the war Yeah, yeah. and, you have to, you know, you have to give Bush a lot of credit for he, he said that's what we were going there to do and he did what, what he said and he did pull out before it got any further than that where, where it would have turned into more of a police action. Uh, or more of a political action I guess, you getting into their governmental affairs which you really can't do as, as another country. Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, my, my biggest problem with all of these wars is we spend all of that money on all these other countries and we have so many problems here at home that we don't address. That we don't get fixed. That's right. I know. And, and that's what frustrates me more than anything. And I, I believe that we have to have a military and I believe that we have to have a defense to keep anybody else from walking in and doing it to us. Right. But I also believe that we need to turn so much of that inward. I think there's a lot of waste and, and they don't, if they could just cut out all the fat and, and get it lean, and start addressing some of the other issues, I think we could take care of everything. And quit taking care of all these other countries all across the world, you know, who just end up using things against us later on anyway. I know, I do think that in the Middle East war, um, I think that maybe a lot of the Arab countries that were so hateful towards the United States have come away with, uh, kind of a different attitude. Uh-huh. Uh, I think that maybe we're not their big bad enemy any more. Right. An, uh, and I think that's good, you know,
Yeah. I think that's a good, Yeah, a lot of good has come from this one. I think so too. And I think, I guess, in, in, uh, ironic way a lot of good came from the Vietnam war toward this war because like we, we said earlier, that, you know, the a lot of eyes were opened after years and years of, of that war and and, And perhaps the reason that good came out of the Mid East war is because we had the experience of Vietnam. Right, exactly. So, I, I, I do think that, we've learned from it, Uh-huh. you know, I, I, I wish there weren't war Yeah, no kidding. But, uh, I do think we learned. And I just, I just hate the emotional price a lot of the Vietnam people paid, for, you know, nothing. Yes. I mean, it was, they're, they still don't know what they were there for.
No, there was no feeling of accomplishment, no goal, no, No. we went in but what did we do. We lost lives and, and what were we trying to do. Who knows. Yeah, that's true. And, I, I think you're right, uh, I think you're right there. Um, I do remember when it was over. I remember when they were coming home. Uh, but, I remember the feeling back then, you know, like I feel like right now, I feel like this country has been behind this war. Uh-huh. Uh, yeah, there's a lot of people that aren't for war.
I'm not for war, Right. but I believe that the way that it was done and the way that was handled were right. I don't remember that feeling back in Vietnam. Right. I just remember, oh yeah, our guys are over there and it's sad and we shouldn't be fighting a war but there was no, let's support them, you know. Right, the, when this war broke out it frustrated me all the antiwar people and, you know, their, all the demonstrations that were going on. Yeah. That's right. I felt like they got way too much media coverage and publicity because those kind of people, I mean, you know, they're the kind of people who are, who've always got to have a cause, whether it's good, bad of indifferent. They've got to have a cause and, and, I, you know, nobody says because you're supporting the troops that you're, you're supporting the war. you have to support the people that are there.
That's right. And for some reason those people don't see that. They don't see it as supporting the folks, the people. No, no, they don't and, you know, they're just real shallow people. I would agree with you there Yeah. I, I agree. Um, and I, and I recall when President Bush said that, you know, he said look, I, you know, I'm sorry that you're opposed to the war. There's a lot of us that are opposed to war but, uh, you're not helping the people that are over there by what you're doing. And I remember a lot of it kind of stopped after that. Yeah, But, I mean they're not helping anybody. That's the, that's the whole point,
not. they're not doing anything for anybody except themselves. That's true. And I don't even know what they're doing for themselves. You know. Uh. Giving a soapbox to stand on Yeah But, well, I just, I, I'm glad we've learned. I'm sorry we had the experience of Vietnam. Yeah. And, uh, and I'm, I'm, I'm especially sorry for the people that are, you know, have spent all these years trying to deal with it emotionally, because, you know until the past four or five years, nobody ever really worried about that, for them. That's true. Yeah. And, and I think that's where we as American people really failed, you know, failed them. Uh-huh, yeah. So, I don't know. Well, do you have anything else you want to say on this? No,
I guess not. I think this is the first time that I haven't been cut off by the computer I know, we get cut off all the time, too Usually I can talk all day but this is something to me that's sad Yeah, it is. So, well have a good day and I appreciate the conversation. Thanks, same here. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. So the general topic is hobbies. Yes. Let's hear about your hobbies. Well, let's see, what kind of hobbies do I have? I guess, uh, I, it's more not so much a hobby but things I enjoy doing.
I enjoy playing basketball and, and basically all kinds of sports. And, uh, Any handicrafts? Excuse me. Any handicrafts? No, not, not really, um, no, I'm really not too creative well, I, uh, you know, around with my hands and things like that I leave that more up to my Mom So, um, I think I'm in handicraft. Oh, yeah. I think it will become resume writing. Oh, well, let's hope that you, you aren't employed by that craft for too long. Uh, yeah, I, I hate to think about it and, and I'm getting rather good at reading want ads. Uh-huh. Yeah,
it, it, what kind of time frame is it, uh, looking for the, uh, different shifts up there? I who knows. Is it, uh, basically, I had read that they're just looking at relocating them all to McKinney is it, Texas, No, all means about fifteen to twenty percent, of, of, oh, Oh, wow. I'm sure the number's somewhere classified but some of the internal news and the news services, so, it's approximately six fifty, Uh-huh. so ten percent of six fifty, is sixty-five and twenty percent would be one thirty. Wow, how about that. Yeah, that's what it did report was a hundred and thirty relocating down to McKinney. Yeah,
that's possible. How about that. Well, that's, uh, that's unfortunate is there many other, are you in the defense? Oh, yes, . Is it, uh, many other corporations in the area? Uh, I saw Seven Eleven that was hiring. Well, I'm sure with the new, uh, contract awarding I, I think it went to Lockheed, didn't it? Yes. That, uh, I hear they're hiring all over the place for that. Yeah, uh, no, Apple's coming to town and, and that has some opportunities Oh, really? and, uh, and, Now is that ad good just to Colorado or to Colorado Springs? Colorado Springs specifically,
yes. How about that. And, uh, and, uh, M C I coming if, if, telemarketing is your bag. Uh-huh. Personally I'd rather die a slow painful death but, Well, you in the, uh, computer operations or in the actual, uh, manufacturing? Uh, I'm a defense worker. I'm, government tool control specialist. Right, yeah, that's why I was in the Deseg down here in Plano also. Are you still employed? Am I still employed by T I, no, I took a leave of, of T I back in November. Oh. Actually, December was my first month away from them. Exempt or ? Exempt.
Oh, yes. It, uh, unfortunately I guess for myself it wasn't, uh, it was purely by my own choice. It wasn't, uh, there was no incentive for myself to leave, but it was just an opportunity arose and decided to take it. Oh, so, you didn't even get the severance package. No. I should have taken the, the, the, you know, uh, option when that was there, but it was just, I missed it by a couple months. But, you know, what can one do. I'm just happy still to have a job. So, are you happy with what you are doing now? Yeah, I am kind of happy with it, it's getting better all the time, I knew it would be different from the very beginning, but, you know, as you get to know more of the people that work there and more of what's going on with the system, so I was in the computer operations it's, uh, you know, it all starts to become similar there's, you know, there's benefits
and there's things that weren't as good, Yeah. but as an overall package, I'd say I'm pretty happy so far with the way it's turned out. Good, good. Well, it hasn't been a long time T I or I, I'm significantly shaken by the situation, but not devastated. Uh-huh. Right. Uh-huh. Well, the one thing I guess at least in your favor is the, the fact that, that is more in the support of the manufacturing and there's lots and lots of companies that have maybe not in the the defense area but manufacturing in general. To tell you the truth, I'm, I'm, I'm not really worried. Uh-huh. That's great. That's good. And, and I seem rather happy about it most of the time, just, just to know, what's, possibilities are, you know, what might happen. Uh-huh. Sure, yeah.
Sometimes it's good just to have everything out on the table. But still in all, it feels funny. It may be a blessing in disguise. I know a number of people who are, uh, surplused and they're just, actually, what the positions that they found outside of the company were much, much better than the ones that they currently had inside. So, despite the fact that I should be tying flies or fly fishing or, or going for walks in the mountains, I can't seem to get into it right now. Exactly. Uh-huh, well, I'm sure it's just with the, the, the, the way that things are so topsy-turvy right now as soon as you decide on a pass , Uh, situational. I've, I doubt I'll be here in six months. Uh-huh. Well, would you like to be there? I, all things being equal, yes. Uh-huh. But, or, or even somewhere better, Sure. but, God this is much better than west Texas.
Uh-huh Well, just take the day, But then they, they tell me Hell is much better than west Texas. Well, actually, uh, the, the Plano, Dallas, Houston, you know, Austin that whole area is, is actually quite, quite nice. I, my little brother lives in Austin right now. Oh, that's a beautiful place. Goes to U T. Uh-huh. That's just fantastic down there. Take it more as a, this is your opportunity to do whatever you want, pick out where you want to live, and then once you pick that spot out, pick out what you want to do. I see that's the problem. For the last many years I've more or less let them direct what I want to do, and where I want to go. And just kind of go with the punches. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Sure. And now I feel lost. Uh-huh.
Yeah, that's a, it, it takes a bit of a shift doesn't it. Oh, I had job offers. Uh-huh. But, I never found the one that was worth it for me to leave. And that, Uh-huh. Well, the best thing about it is that you can, uh, try something if you don't like it, shoot, move on to something else. That's the way I would have looked at the whole thing here, I'll take a chance, if I don't like it, I'll go someplace else, do something different. Oh so, had you been with T I long when you changed? Five years. Yeah. I've been with them sixteen. Yeah, I can imagine, you know, the longer and longer it goes, Actually, seventeen now,
and, oh, yeah, momentum is, uh, driving force in our lives. Uh-huh. But so, yeah, I'm looking as, as a opportunity. Well, that's good, you've got a good attitude about it. And, and I'm looking at it as a change. Uh-huh. And I'm looking at it as, as an adventure. Right, there you go. That's the way to do it. And maybe I'll wet a fly line this year and do some camping if I don't get laid off between now and then. There you go, that's the thing to do. That's much funner than doing any kind of job. Ha, how about we end this? That will work out just fine. Nice talking to you.
All right, nice talking to you. Bye. Good-bye. What's the, uh, in Texas law has a, uh, what does it have, it has a death penalty doesn't it? Oh, yes, yeah. They just, uh, started it again, too just late, or, within the past few years You know for quite some time, just about every one of the states had given up the death penalty. But now it's coming back into favor. Uh, yes. Well, they find it is more deterrent. Well, my sociology class at S M U's taught us that it was not a deterrent. Uh, but now that's just what they said. Uh, I don't know maybe, maybe if I went back and took a sociology class now they'd say it is a deterrent. Well, uh, if you, You know, compare the figures, I think that's where they're, uh, they're coming from. Maybe they've changed their minds. The, uh, Maybe that's it.
Maybe that's it, because that was back in the seventies. Oh, they're yes. They are. That was before the, uh, uh, they adopted the death law again But, uh, I, I myself am in favor of it, uh, particularly for, uh, well I think Texas has a good, good law. Uh, crimes, murders related with, uh, drugs or killing a policemen. I think, I agree. But I think it ought to be expanded to include children. I, I think they're, they have they're working on, uh, something in Austin now, Uh-huh. and I'm not sure what it is, I just remember seeing a, uh, kind of a synopsis of it. Uh-huh. Well, why stop at children? Why not go to adults, too? Well, uh, I'm, I'm personally very in favor of it. Uh-huh. Uh, why should we let them set in prison and work on their college degrees after they've mowed down a class yard full of kids or or tried to, or done their very, you know, given their best effort at doing that. Uh-huh. Yep.
I, I don't care to support them. Well, I don't either but, uh, uh, but there is something to be said about or, uh, uh, just for the sake of argument, I'm taking the, a con, Sure. I'm, I'm against it. Uh, you know yourself how many times have you heard where, uh, uh, a citizen was wrongfully arrested, and served time at a penitentiary, uh, Uh-huh, uh-huh just recently this, uh, black man served nine years was it, for robbery. And then, there was the black woman that, uh, robbed and shot the furrier. And she was set free, too, just in two examples in Texas recently. Uh-huh. But she actually killed the furrier. Or someone, she was charged with murder and then, then they decided it was a case of mistaken identity or something. I didn't, I don't, I didn't retain all those facts very well. But I know what you're, what if we make a mistake. That's it.